The US is the world's leading terrorist state.

[rocktop15]

You want to get the public to start thinking critically about issues that really matter that the media has substantially marginalized? I found the best way to accomplish this is to give them a very simple statement that is factual. I told two of my good friends who are intelligent this and I thought they were about to have a coma. They vehemently denied this but I gave them example after example and told them why we are committing war crimes now.

[BlueEyedSon]

1. Define "terrorism" and you are halfway there.

Then you can compare acts by US actors vs others.

None of our leaders will touch this except to say it's what "they" do to "us"....

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[dreamcollector]

4. DEFENDING YOUR COUNTRY????

Trying to keep you safe? How 'bout staying home and not bombing the carp out of countries that haven't even thought of attacking you? Wow! You need educating!

[rocktop15]

5. Keeping the country safe?

Sounds like this site has been infiltrated by a freeper after this site got some MSM attention.

How are the troops in Iraq "keeping this country safe?" Think about that one for a few my friend.

What is the proper definition of terrorism? If you use the one that is in the Army's handbook, then we certainly can not go by it because it would mean that America has been using terrorism as a means of "promoting freedom and democracy" across the world for the past 50 years.

I, respectfully, disagree with you about our army keeping us safe. IMHO, the US army is nothing more than a political tool used to imperialize the world in the name of promoting "democracy."

[Solly Mack]

6. "I really do love my country even though I am a liberal."

interesting way to word it.

"Even though" as if there are exceptions. As if , somehow, it's the exception to love your country if you are a liberal.

Very interesting wording.

[July]

9. You beat me to it.

I noticed that, too.

[Solly Mack]

13. Like a really big bump in the road

:hi:

[July]

16. Hard to miss, isn't it? Howdy, Solly Mack. nt

[BlueEyedSon]

8. Shock and awe is terrorism, pure and simple.

Unless you prefer the term "genocide"

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. Defending us? Against what?

What's "not productive" about acknowledging criminal acts? Do you think they will cease if we ignore them?

[bobbyboucher]

11. Baloney. You and your family are being used.

FYI. Keep up the rationalizations, otherwise your head might explode from the reality.

[bowens43]

14. from the dictionary

ter·ror·ism
n.

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.


Now which part of this definition doesn't describe US policy?

[DrWeird]

22. We are committing war crimes.

You can't support the troops and ignore the war crimes.

If you really have family in the Air Force than you're doing them a disservice.

[dreamcollector]

3. dreamcollector

Didju tell 'em that the whole world hates yu too? Cuz we do yu know. I'm a Canadian and I and all my Canadian friends are hoping the Iraqis beat the crap out of you. I mean it. Tell them to start reading RIVERBEND to learn how the "liberated" Iraiqis feel about America. Sheesh! Murderers!

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[bowens43]

17. The resistabnce in Iraq are those

who are trying against overwhelming odds to through the invaders and occupiers out of their country. For the most part they are NOT terrorists. Their targets are the occupation force and those who support it. If the members of the resistance are terrorists then so are the US troops.

war's hell isn't it?

[DrWeird]

24. A lot of people have sons and daughters in the Iraqi resistance.

They're fighting Republican thugs, Bush loyalists, mercenaries, and foreigners.

"We seem to be forgetting that the "resistance" in Iraq is the Iraq people that want to live peacefully and free, not the people trying to turn the clock back to when they had power!"

Yes, I agree. Funny how you contradict yourself.

[sweetheart]

25. so what that we know people in the military

Does that change the fact that the commanders use the military to
committ crimes against humanity, terrorism and heinous acts of mass
murder? It is no fault of the cannon fodder, secreted back in the dark
of night in their flag-draped glory.

We're all big enough to wish out own soldiers godspeed to stay alive
and the rebels godspeed to defeat the criminal american act of agressive
invasion. As well, we can wish the heros that go AWOL godspeed in
canada.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. We have been since the inception of the cold war.

A long list of paid terrorists have been on our payroll. The "contras, Jonas Savimbi, Pinochet, the South African government, etc, etc, etc.

Not to mention our own band of murderous thugs, the CIA.

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[bowens43]

18. The US actions in Iraq

are every bit as vile as the actions of those you mention in your post. We have killed over 100,000 innocent people for no reason other then to stroke the ego of that sick little fuck you call your president.

[auburngrad82]

20. The Reagan administration blew up a truck bomb outside a mosque

trying to kill an influential priest. They missed and killed a lot of innocent people. That's a terrorist act.

The Reagan administration was very good at supporting terrorist regimes and carrying out acts of terrorism. Every country in the world except for the USA sees the USA as a leading terrorist state.

[BlueEyedSon]

21. In case you forgot who created bin Laden, Saddam, and half a dozen

other terrorist & dictators....

It was US.

[DrWeird]

23. Yes, we are.

We've killed far more innocent people than Osama bin Laden.

[dreamcollector]

19. Tell Them To Read

Manuel Valenzuela's "Marching Boots of Mass Psychosis. America's Army of Fascism." That's how the outisde world sees America and enlightened Americans like Lewis Lapham, Gore Vidal, and Noam Chomsky agree. Sorry I am an idiot on the computer and don't know how to put on four paragraphs. http:bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=5027
I can quote: "The reality of what the United States has been since its inception, an Evil Empire laying waste to billions of world citizens...is never taught to the very citizens now affected by the blowback inherent in perpetuating human malice throughout the globe. Instead we are told that the world hates us for our freedoms and rights, that billions are angered at us because we are such a great nation."
Hey, who wants to be great if you have to sell your soul to do it? Do you know that my country Canada exists because we didn't agree with "the American way" right from the start? And we fought not to be taken over by Americans because it's rather nice to be a small and peace loving country. But hey, send us your draft dodgers because we build monuments to them. I kid you not. Ain't we the worst dang terrorists you ever heard of? And we're right next door! Why don't you come on up and see us sometime? We're a gay friendly country too and we don't have capital punishment. On top of that we have universal health care and a better standand of living than you do. But it's cold right now. B-r-r-r-r-! Well you could go to B.C. ---- or New Zealand.

[leyton]

26. What a piece of crap.

Yes, Iraq is a s***hole right now, but that's because of insurgents and our inability to control them. There's a difference between Saddam's willful oppression of his people and poor management of a war by American commanders.

Draw up a chart comparing the ills committed by Kim Jong-Il, the Chinese Government (regarding suppression of religion), Fidel Castro, Moammar Ghaddafi, and warlords in Sub-Saharan Africa. Then maybe you could justify your statement.

[DrWeird]

28. Yes, let's compare ills committed.

Osama bin Laden: Innocent civilians killed- ~3,000

George W. Bush: Innocent civilians killed- ~100,000

[el_gato]

32. U.S. actions in Guatamala, the Phillipines, El Salvador, Honduras,

Haiti
Viet Nam
Chile
Argentina
Columbia
well I could go on but the U.S. has a very long history of engaging in death and destruction.

[dreamcollector]

27. CONFESSIONS OF AN ECONOMIC HIT MAN John Perkins

There's a book that would enlighten them. Also BLOWBACK Chalmers Johnson.
But I suspect those on the right don't read anything unless it was written by Ann Coulter or someone rather simplistic in their thinking.

[Redleg]

29. I don't think that statement will promote any real discourse with the

right wingers. That statement will get them to froth at the mouth and scream like a troop of enraged baboons.

[ObaMania]

30. Hmmm... three names removed from this thread

This seemed harmless enough. Why'd it bring the FReeps out? :)

[clem_c_rock]

31. I won't acknowledge the existence of terrorism until

The idea of "institutionalized terrorism" is added to the list.

By this I mean countries such as the US, Israel, Russia, ect that condone and execute illegal wars and occupation as well as engaging in coups such as the kidnapping of Aristeed.