Name one great American who is white.

[dreamcollector]

Martin Luther King was probably the greatest America leader. Then there were some native Americans who were also great. I have a soft spot for John Quincy Adams who after he was president and could have rested, fought so hard to abolish slavery. But what's so great about the founding fathers and all the rest of them? I'm Canadian so I'm just wondering. (I'm white but there's some Navaho ancestor way back.) The greatest Canadian, by the way, was Chief Tecumseh who helped us whup 50,000 Americans. It was 5,000 against 50,000 but thanks to Chief Tecumseh we tricked you and scared you so much that you ran for cover while we burnt down the White House. It wasn't our idea. You attacked us. Superior numbers or superior power doesn't win every time. Sound familiar? I'm living for the day when white Americans are outnumbered by blacks and hispanics. Perhaps then you'll have a true democracy. Not to mention universal health care.

[Lengsel]

1. heheheeehehehehe

My friend Melissa is white and she is a great American.

[Liberal In Texas]

98. Name One Great American Who Is NOT White

This is a silly question.
There are many Amreicans of all colors, races, genders, etc. who have been great.

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. Lincoln and kennedy had their good moments

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[Wat_Tyler]

3. Flamebait.

Not to mention racist.

Incidentally, the answer is Bob Dylan. Or Dennis Kucinich. Or Andy Warhol. Or Jello Biafra. Or Gram Parsons. Or Andrew Carnegie. Or Abraham Lincoln. Or DJ Shadow. Or Iggy Pop. Or Eleanor Roosevelt. Or FDR. Or Robert F. Kennedy. Or Hank Williams. Or Woody Guthrie. Or - I'm sure others can add many more to my list.

Incidentally - we didn't burn the White House - English and Scots Marines did.

[yinkaafrica]

13. Bob Dylan is and has always been a self-serving dipshit

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[Wat_Tyler]

21. No - there's quite the anti-Dylan constituency on the board.

God knows why.

[HootieMcBoob]

25. I'm glad I've never seen any of this anti-Dylan lunacy before

maybe they're just misguided

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[mitchum]

57. But Dylan himself would not take exception to yinkaafrica'a assessment...

Dylan does not reserve his contempt just for those who have always tried to inflate him into something that he is not.
Dylan loathes himself just as much as he loathes the most rabid Dylan fanatic. Sometimes deservedly so.
He has also made great art on a number of occasions.

[Blind Tiresias]

65. My top 5 'whitey' americans

1. Jefferson-founder of modern american liberalism

2. Jonas Salk--how many people do you know with the always-debilitating polio??

3. Thomas Edsion--I like telephones b/c i can talk to people far away

4. Robert E. Lee--hate him however much you want, he was a military genius, and he fought for his home, and if you read his existing writings, he is a liberal!

5. Jim Morrison--voice of the greatest American band, IMO

[Clark2008]

85. My father is a Civil War expert

and you are absolutely right about Robert E. Lee.

He was an "insurgent."

;)

Lee makes Grant look like Bush.

[Yupster]

102. If the South would have won the Civil War,

Lee would have been its second president for sure.

Gets the what-if mind moving to wonder what he would have done about slavery. One thing he was for sure was bold and he commanded absolute respect from top to bottom.

[T Town Jake]

106. Let's get real here. Crazy Horse was an "insurgent"...

...in the best sense of that word, not Lee, vis-a-vi the known facts of American History. Marsh Robert was a West Point graduate who only resigned his commission from the Army because he thought he heard the call of duty to "Old Virginia" whispering in his ear...had the Civil War not come, it would've been United States Army General Lee whom would've dispatched Sherman, Sheridan, and Custer to deal with all those unruly "redskins" in the West...

[Blind Tiresias]

112. Lee did his job...

He was a soldier. His first duty was to his home. He opposed slavery and he NEVER committed any documented war crimes (under modern definitions) unlike Sherman or Custer. If somebody was planning massive war against good ole Memphis, I would fight for my home, which is exactly what he did. When the gov confiscated his property to build Arlington National Cemetary, he considered it his greatest honor. I have nothing but admiration for the man.

[timtom]

107. I don't believe this!!

Jello Biafra was EXACTLY the first person I thought of. I am 62 years old, can't stand punk (or much else of the rock-inspired music in the last 20 years) and I still think Jello is one of America's true great heroes.

[passy]

114. I agree with you on that one.

Sadly he doesn't really get the attention he or his work deserves. He would surely make a great president, I would go for a Biafra- Moore ticket anyday. They are two men who have great insight and know how the American society trully is.

[roguevalley]

4. Mother Jones. (My hero is MLK. Also RFK because of what he

had grown to become and what he wanted to do) Any of the Jewish kids who went south as Freedom Riders, any person who helped organize unions and workers when they could be killed for doing so, all of the priests, nuns and religious leaders who helped MLK on his work.

My grandparents, my parents. They are the soul of the west.

[bobbieinok]

81. blieve a lot of 'real' Christian kids were Freedom Riders; certainly

were workers in MS in 64=MS Summer

[Syrinx]

5. Jimmy Carter, JFK, Ted Kennedy, Morris Dees

[roguevalley]

8. Morris Dees is the bravest man in America and my hero.

[mitchum]

60. You may want to check out the Harper's article on Dees FOR PROFIT...

organization from a few years back.
i'm just saying...

[BlackCoffeeSound]

6. hmmm,

I like to think I'm pretty special.

http://www.invadecanada.us/

[StevieM]

7. My girlfriend is the greatest American I know....

and she is Chinese-American. So I guess your point is well-taken.

Steve

[phusion]

9. Mike Malloy n/t

:toast:

[David Zephyr]

10. Albert Parsons, August Spies, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn

Hellen Keller, Susan B. Anthony and many, many more.

Do you know about these people who happened to be "white" and if so, why would you not consider them great?

[dreamcollector]

23. I meant leaders

So feminists would qualify.

[LeftyMom]

11. Elanor Roosevelt nt

[AgadorSparticus]

92. I second that!

[TwentyFive]

12. This sounds awfully racist....

I don't think anything has to do with the color of somebody's skin or national origin. There are millions of "Great Americans" of all races.

Attributing good/bad characteristics onto people because of their race is bigoted and evil....something that is done at KKK meetings. Even conservatives don't do this anymore...or, at least not in public (Trent Lott excepted).

[Dookus]

14. Michael Jackson!

[knight_of_the_star]

68. Don't count!

Not even sure if he's HUMAN!

[Moloch]

15. Here's one:

[Rapcw]

17. Howard Zinn n/t

[T Town Jake]

19. All quiet on the old home....

....forum front tonight? Because this flame bait thread of yours has something of an (Deleted message. Click here to review the message board rules.) odor about it...

[kodi]

20. barry white. helluva' singer

.

[pbartch]

22. One Great American who is white??? MY HUSBAND

MY MOTHER AND FATHER WERE GREAT.

I guess I'm great too. What is your point???

[democracyindanger]

24. You're getting lots of answers

Why aren't you responding?

[dreamcollector]

28. Sorry I meant leaders, presidents and leaders of mass movements

I totally agree that the greatest people are often unknown. I'm speaking of political people.

[Lefty48197]

49. Eugene V. Debs

.

[saltpoint]

26. Marlin Perkins.

[Paleocon]

27. Hmmmm... let me get my copy of the constitution and look at the signatures

Are you kidding?

:crazy:

Here's a challenge!

Name one great Canadian.

:silly:

Tecumsuh was a Native American, not a Canadian.

[dreamcollector]

30. We claim him

He fought with General Brock in the war of 1812 when you tried to conquer Canada. He wasn't neutral. He fought to prevent Americans taking over the colonies which were British.

[Paleocon]

39. No, we claim him.

You're :silly:

But I'll trade you him for Scott Brison.

[T Town Jake]

40. Well, you "claim" a few things...

...that are certifiable horseshit. Let's start with the fact that the War of 1812 was not about Canada per se, but rather about the outrages then being committed by the Royal Navy on the high seas against neutral American merchantmen, among other high-handed Imperial outrages. So let's get that straight at the outset.

[dreamcollector]

31. Don't you claim Sitting Bull and other great Native Americans for the U.S?

Well I call Tecumseh Canadian.

[Maccagirl]

33. You are correct about Tecumsuh

He was born in central Ohio (the Hocking Hills area).

John F Kennedy was white-and he wasn't chopped liver.

There are many great Americans-of all races.

[HootieMcBoob]

29. Jack LaLanne

is he still alive? :toast: to Mr. LaLanne

[charlie]

32. Holy macaroni

He's still alive!

http://www.jacklalanne.com/

[catgirl]

37. Paul Wellstone

[UdoKier]

34. Cesar Chavez.

Okay, so he was roughly half spanish (white) and half Indian.

Still a great man.

[Greylyn58]

36. While both men aren't perfect

because most people aren't...I'd have to say Robert Kennedy and Jimmy Carter.

[charlie]

38. Mark Twain n/t

[Kazak]

41. Kurt Vonnegut

:)

[pinto]

42. In my lifetime, racially, I'd go for JFK's admin. Historicallly, I'd

guess for Jefferson. He bought the West from France and signed the first of many (later broken) promises with the Indian Nations.

[NV Whino]

43. Granny D

Barbara Boxer

[Tacos al Carbon]

44. Did I miss the memo?

Is today some sort of pre-MLK Day "Start a thread and exhibit your bigotry" event on DU? Between this thread and this one I'm starting to wonder.

Edited to fix link.

[deminflorida]

45. Love this one....

"It was 5,000 against 50,000 but thanks to Chief Tecumseh we tricked you and scared you so much that you ran for cover while we burnt down the White House."

Of course I'm sure you'll enjoy reading about the fact that what you did was to set Andrew Jackson off on a crusade throughout the rest of his life to settle that score, starting with the Battle of New Orleans.

Of course that slaughter of of over 2000 trained British regulars was accomplished by using a blend of regular American Soldiers, African Americans, and common cut throat pirates, many who were of mixed race.
Or in other words, just common Americans.

The revenge however Jackson took against the remainder of the entire native American population during the rest of his life was extreme. But I guess you have Chief Tecumseh to thank for that.

For the rest of you fruit cakes that want Jackson removed from the twenty dollar bill, I guess you can thank Canada for the reason he's there.

[bobweaver]

46. Huey Long, Samuel Gompers, RFK, FDR, Mark Twain, Upton Sinclair, Debs

[Downtown Hound]

47. Michael Moore

[hholli1]

48. Gloria Steinham. nt

[RetroLounge]

50. Barry

Barry White.

RL

[poe]

51. Don't talk about that-shhhhhhhh

eugene debs, phil ochs, emma goldman
but please don't take us out of the politics of comfort. that race stuff is passe. swimming in the river of DE-NILE.

[T Town Jake]

66. Don't tell me! Let me guess...

...

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.

.

.

.

Okay, I give up...a lesson in shitty punctuation skills aside, what the fuck is all of that supposed to mean, exactly? :shrug:

[On the Road]

52. Over 200 Years of Revolution,

labor activists, and progressives of all kinds fighting the tide and you can't think of a single great person other than MLK? Read up a little and then take your pick.

This country doesn't have the most progressive government in the world, but go back as far as you want -- American activists have fought and led the way in personal freedoms, women's suffrage, race relations, gay rights, environmentalism, and many other issues. Heros galore.

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[poe]

54. did you mean...

s. africa pre-colonialism zimbambwe pre-colonialism detroit pre-colonialism
the white man's burden such a heavy load

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[poe]

69. us of A don't allow no....

black folk to rule no country. they start gittin' uppity and we send in the muscle ,Haiti-like, now the french were in on that too. we could give 'em debt relief, they owe us since we stole their diamonds fair and square, but bein' the humanitarians we is let's just keep sendin' US aid (at .13 % last in donor nations as a percent of GDP), and use humanitarian interventions so that all will be right with the world.
tiltin' at windmills

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[poe]

76. the mighty wurlitzer says....

havin' fun now eh? forgot a minor detail. like US sponsored world bank holding a hammer on aristide until we gently forced him out, and brought the normal US gang of thieves like jodel chamblain and guy phillipe back to rule in typical proxy style- convicted felons and narcotics traffickers. of course the US is consistent as they supported the murderous papa and baby doc duvaliers in haiti and immanuel constant another convicted felon who resides in queens while still on the CIA payroll. details details.
gotta give me credit i'm even handed in my critique of filthy conquering racist nations. france still owes haiti 22 billion. maybe that's why they participated in aristides ouster as he was demanding reparations. it's good to have the house arab for the proper colonial facade. the wage slaves back home will keep wondering why those inept brown folk can't get it right. they won't look into their own servitude to the beast.

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[poe]

86. at least you...

believe in magic. however they did get their guns from the pentagon via the dominican republic. well i suppose roger noriega was just down there lookin' for a good fishin' hole or checkin' out the surf.

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[JohnLocke]

71. That remark is extremely racist.

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[DownNotOut]

55. Me

[CornField]

56. Margaret Sanger

[devilgrrl]

58. Betty White

[mitchum]

61. Dashiell Hammett and Lenny Bruce

They fought the law and the law won.
But they fought.

[SidDithers]

62. One of the dumbest posts I've ever seen at DU...

:eyes:

Sid

[LiviaOlivia]

64. Yes Sid I have to agree with you.

:)

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[poe]

73. i'm not asking this to be....

confrontational but what makes this a racist question? how do you define racism? america is in such deep denial about racism and its power relationships. it seems people want it swept under the rug. it's not a thing of the past. it has been so thoroughly institutionalized and internalized too many think it has disappeared as a primary force dictating many lives and many policies. everybody needs to get out of their politics of comfort and this is certainly one issue which many on the left and right want to dismiss.
my answer: phil ochs, emma goldman, lenny bruce and bill lee. all of these folks were marginalized or worse by the State that doesn't want this issue to be seen as a bedrock platform of its vulgar existence. ramblin'.....

[LiviaOlivia]

77. No profile? Uncomfortable?

"everybody needs to get out of their politics of comfort"

Start with yourself.......

[poe]

79. what's a profile?

i have no comfort zone. all should be open for discussion. the political dialogue in america is virtually castrated and quite narrow. we all need to challenge our assumptions and examine the politics of our every day lives not simply live in the realm of rhetorical party politics.

[LiviaOlivia]

91. Your DU profile...

You don't openly (via a "profile") state your country, state, province, etc.

i.e.: You don't have a little human head along side your Du name. You hide.

Still don't get it? Go to the ATA forum and have them explain it. And make a donation while you're at it. Put your money where your mouth is.

[poe]

95. wow rules and regulations from...

the overseers. anyone could say anything in their profile. how silly. i have nothing to hide.this is just a discussion forum. now is that pressure to contribute? also the whole notion of identifying with an artificially demarcated place wrapped in a flag is a sure fire way to pledge your brain to the ideologies that control your worldview. america can't seem to get over itself. let's take a breather and denounce the arrogance of humanism and cease with the identifying yourself with any nation state, which by the way where all named by the conquerors.

[LiviaOlivia]

96. ROFLMAO

on edit: Thank you. Everyone needs a sanctimonious....

[More Than A Feeling]

84. Wild Bill Lee? the Boston Red Sox pitcher?

He was pretty good, but I would take Tom Seaver and Warren Spahn over him any day:)

[poe]

88. as pitchers yes but...

if you want to have a laugh and eat well stick with bill. he's an organic farmer in northern vermont.
lee was the only lefty who had an under 3.00 era and couldn't get signed by anyone. blackballed due to his extreme criticisms of baseball hierarchy and uncanny ability to get front page coverage with his salvos. how about mark "the bird" fidrych?

[More Than A Feeling]

97. Fidrych? played one season and got hurt didn't he?

If you want to talk about non-HOF guys who only played well for a little bit, you can't beat "Black Jack" McDowell. http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mcdowja01.shtml

[poe]

99. how about this guy....

Charlie Kerfeld about 6 feet 5 300 pounds saved about a million games for the astros a year or two throwin' at a hundred mph then put on lots of more lbs. and lost his stuff. each year in his contract demanded a case of orange jello. saw him on letterman once the guy was truly outlandish. from the boot heel in missouri.

[Yupster]

103. Great site baseball-reference.com

But my favorite is www.whatifsports.com

[Minstrel Boy]

83. You are correct. It's flame-bait and race-bait, and

I think it should be locked.

[UTUSN]

67. Jefferson, Jackson, Wilson, FDR, Truman, LBJ, Humphrey, Mondale,

Dukakis, McGovern, Gore, Kerry

[Catherine Vincent]

74. Jesse Helms.

just kidding...

Too many to name. It's kind of a weird question.

[Brewman_Jax]

75. Since you're asking

I say Tim Wise. :thumbsup:

[Fescue4u]

78. Im pretty sure that Bill Clinton is white.

[Clark2008]

82. Wes Clark

Geez.

Reverse racism much?

There are many.

Of course, this depends on your definition of "white." Clark is half Russian Jew.

I, myself, am 1/4 Native American and my son is half Arabic on top of being 1/8 Native American. All white - if you believe what great anthropologists like Dr. William Bass say: there are only three "races," but those are blurring.

Hispanics, Arabs, Europeans (in the traditional vernacular), Jews, etc. are all Caucasion. The southern Arabs and Africans are Negroids and the east Asians are Mongloids. (Not my definition - these are anthropologists definitions based on bone structure, not skin color).

And, repeat, Dr. Bass says they are blending.

And, if you don't know who Dr. Bass is - Google him. His creds are impecible.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

89. Well, Most people we call "Hispanics" aren't really Caucasian

Most Latinos are of mixed ancestry so they can't fit into any of the racial categories. The only Hispanics that are fully Caucasian are Spaniards and a small percentage of Latinos.

[Clark2008]

108. There are Hispanics of Asian descent, yes.

But, their bone structure is predominately Caucasian.

I do understand what you mean, though.

[Tinoire]

87. Ramsey Clark... among a million others.

Love always,

a Black chick ;)

[saltpoint]

93. Any friend of Ramsey Clark is a friend of mine.

Bartender! Get this woman a beer, and make it fast!

[Tinoire]

100. Old Crusoe, you are bookmarked. added to buddies & all that,

I feel the same... Anyone who's a friend of Ramsey's is a friend of mime!

:toast:

[DerekG]

94. John Brown

He still scares the shit out of Southerners...and even liberals.

Do some research on Cloudsplitter and I think you'll have an affinity for him, dreamcollector. Frederick Douglass and Harriet Tubman certainly did.

[Kablooie]

101. Name one miserable American who is yellow,

[skippythwndrdog]

104. Audie Murphy, Theodore Roosevelt, John Wayne, Benjamin Franklin

[nemo137]

105. James Madison, anyone?

"Father of the Constitution," and along with John Jay on of the greatest political thinkers/jurists of his day.

[Shadowen]

109. "is" or "was"?

Because I'd vote for FDR or Lincoln. But they're, y'know, dead.

Also, I don't know about "great", but Aaron Alston and Mike Stackpole are both at least "good".

[Piperay]

110. FDR (nt)

:thumbsup:

[norml]

111. Johnny Winter, and Edgar Winter

They are really white, and their music is really great.

[VOX]

113. You gotta be kidding.

Really.

[passy]

115. Maybe because American whites don't have anything to fight for.

Or they think they don't, but that's because they think that their government is always gonna be looking after their best interest.
In fact the * govt is only interested in making themselves and their friends richer. Be honest with yourself, It's not about terrorism, values, Iraq, it's all about money (the latest news concernong Halliburton and Iran just proves it).
The new slaves are as white as they are black or hispanic, but as long as the TV is lulling you into believing that you have to go out and spend your money, that one day you will achieve the American Dream, that you will make it to the top, that the terrorists are trying to stop you from working three jobs to pay back that big SUV that you so rightly deserve because they want to abolish the American way of life.
Well the true American leaders will need to be white in order to rouse the majority into realizing what nightmare they now live in, that they are servants to the Man and that there are other things to consider than money, like one another, the environment and the rest of the world.
I would say that Michael Moore and Jello Biafra are precursors of those great leaders to come. If sadly no great white leaders never emerge then the US is in deep s**t.

[Guy Fawkes]

116. W.E.B. DuBois (sorry, I'm color blind)

[Kire]

118. how about Nelson Mandela?

is that better?

[jdonaldball]

117. Chelsea Clinton

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

119. Jesus.

[Guy Fawkes]

120. American...?