I don't know if "TruthSeeker", the White House insider blog, is legit

[JohnnyRingo]

If so (or even if not) this is something to think about....

He's calling for internet sites to post the names of war fatalities and have families report omissions of their sons or daughters to cross check the "official" stats. I don't wonder if this will happen....but when:

Voice of the White House January 12, 2005

TBR News.org – January 14, 2005

<excerpt.
“Several interesting items, one only amusing and the other serious. The Bush people have received so many very serious death threats aimed at Our Beloved Leader that they might as well put a dummy in the Presidential limo on inauguration day. No one will talk about the volume and apparent seriousness of these ongoing threats and neither will they talk about the ACTUAL DEATH TOLLS IN IRAQ! You have been posting only the official figures which are not accurate. These OFFICIAL figures indicate about 1,400 are dead and perhaps 4,000 wounded. Actually, and I have seen the figures from the Pentagon, over 8,000 are dead and over 15,000 are wounded, some maimed for life…blind, missing legs and arms or with the prospect of spending the rest of their young lives confined to a wheelchair in a Vets hospital with a permanent piss bag tied to a leg.

<snip>
Already, parents are wondering why their son’s name is not on official lists and this number is growing every day. This is the real reason why Bush forbade any pictures being taken of arriving caskets at Dover. All even an idiot would have to do would be to count the daily supermarket checkout and the rat would be out of the bag. This nasty business has real legs and even the dullard Bush is terrified.

<snip>
The Arabs have captured a number of GIs and have tortured them terribly before chopping of their heads which they defile by dumping into a well-used latrine. Their statements are that since the US under Bush has ignored the Geneva Treaty and tortured prisoners of war and executed a number of them plus God knows how many unarmed civilians, they will kill every GI they capture.

<snip>
This is one of the reasons why there are so many suicides and so many desertions among the terrified troops. This really awful business is a top priority secret but I will make the shits happy by letting it out and if I can get the actual figures, I will give them to you, names and all, to post alongside the official lies. Why don’t you ask survivors to send you the names of their lost sons and husbands and then check them against the Pentagon Lie List? Better, publish the entire roster of Official Dead and ask anyone whose relatives, sons or husbands are not on it to contact you. You are in the position of doing all of us a great favor if you do.”

Read Entire Article Here:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/category.asp?id=41

[theresistance]

1. Very interesting if true

There was a report a while ago where the Russian Ministry of Defence claimed the same thing - the US was vastly underestimating deaths in Iraq. I've got no way of knowing the veracity of this though.

[cornermouse]

2. Good. Its about time someone did this.

We needed this much earlier.

[benburch]

3. With no coverage of coffins coming home to Dover AFB...

this is exactly what I would imagine. They have to be covering something up.

I have also heard that the practice of "fragging" dangerous field officers has started happening in Iraq, but that there is a very tight "lid" being placed on this news.

[JohnnyRingo]

4. Explain "fragging"

I'm not familiar.

[benburch]

5. That is where you surreptitiously kill your immediate superior officer.

Often you use a captured enemy weapon. Usually this is done because to continue to obey the orders of this officer would get everybody in the platoon killed.

[JohnnyRingo]

6. Oh.....my

[theresistance]

8. It happened in Vietnam a lot...

But I'm aware of only one incident in Iraq. Around the time of the invasion, a couple of soldiers were killed when another soldier threw a grenade into their tent in Kuwait.

[SoCalDem]

9. I was engaged to a marine Viet nam vet (1968)

He once said that the life expectancy of a "wet-behind-the-ears,hot-shot lieutenant" was about 48 hrs, if he didn't get his "shit together".,.

[rodeodance]

7. How would this blogger have acess to the Pentagon 'true' figues.?

[lectrobyte]

22. A term from the Vietnam era, from "fragmentation grenade" meaning

to kill your commander or other officer.

[burn the bush]

10. is there a posted list?

I love to read this bloggers stuff, but I have serious doubts that hes in the white house. However his idea doesn't sound too hard to do. I would think there are already sites that honor the fallen and may have them listed.

[NNN0LHI]

11. Our soldiers don't get taken prisoner in Iraq

At least that is what CNN tells me. Or does't tell me? I am not quite sure?

Don

[roguevalley]

12. there was a comment posted some place here a day or so ago

about some newsie saying eighteen of our guys were found beheaded.

[justiceischeap]

13. No, that was debunked

It's from rense.com and lots of folks were saying this blog is about as inaccurate as they come.

[KittyWampus]

14. Thanks For Posting This. Hadn't Read It & Wonder Re: It's Veracity

it sounds all too plausible.

[tanyev]

15. From the Department of Redundancy Department:

they might as well put a dummy in the Presidential limo on inauguration day

[susu369]

16. That was good for a bellyaching laugh

LOL....

[baldguy]

17. I'm inclined to think it's bullshit...

...considering the titles of some of the articles there:

Who Are The Illuminati?
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1

The Liberation of the Camps
(Questioning the facts of the Holocaust)
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=55

Was Timothy McVeigh Really Executed?
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=154

Electronically Hijacking the WTC Attack Aircraft
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=206

Bloody Bill Clinton - American Caligula
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=14

Did New York Orchestrate The Asian Tsunami?
http://vialls.net/subliminalsuggestion/tsunami.html

more horrifying nuttiness here:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/firstvisit.asp

[tanyev]

18. In fairness,

the Truthseeker site is just reposting articles that originally come from www.tbrnews.org. And even TBR's claim is that the Voice of the White House reports are sent to them from someone inside the WH--not that the person writing those reports has anything to do with the rest of the TBR site.

In recent past issues, we have carried comments from a very well-iniformed source inside the White House. Some of these remarks, most especially one about Bush’s physical and mental problems, drew an enormous number of viewers and hundreds of inquiries, most especially from foreign press entities. Our source was the first to expose, and we were the first to make public, the accusations that the President of the United States was a man that suffered from serious psychological problems. He also revealed ongoing plans to attack Iran. Since our initial publication of his postings, there has been increasing interest in the subject and herewith, we present additional input from inside the White House. If you have a weak stomach, do not read the following material. Not being able to either confirm of deny any of this information, we present it without comment or endorsement.

But it could still be completely made up.

[Straight Shooter]

19. And in fair and balancedness,

;) I've communicated with the man behind TBR News. He is extremely intelligent, incredibly astute, and has a visceral contempt for bush which is palpable even in cyberspace.

BamaBecky on another thread posed the question: How many people fell for the WMD conspiracy theory? (And of course its concomitant CT, the Saddam/9-11 link.) So it goes to show that anything is possible in this Orwellian America.

bush and the neocons are the Republican Mafia. It's best that everything we read, see, and hear, be taken with a grain of salt, but nothing surprises me anymore and this story about not accurately counting those killed in action may very well be true.

edit: all that time writing this post and then I made a typo, grrrr

[tanyev]

21. Thanks for the info!

I love reading the Voice of the White House, but I really had no idea how much credence to give it.

[NVMojo]

20. we need more of this!!!

[JohnnyRingo]

23. The reason I put some stock in this particular post

Is because since the beginning of the war it was revealed that the official casualty tally was of "combat deaths".

If a HumVee has a near miss by ordinance, causing the truck to roll over, killing a soldier, that's an "accidental death", and is not counted.

Likewise if a soldier is seriously wounded on the battlefield, airlifted out of the country where he later dies, then he didn't die in Iraq....Not counted.

Using the preceding formula, it's easy to imagine that the current death count of 1360 is only a percentage of the actual cost of Buxh's desert adventure.

[Fridays Child]

25. You're right, I think. How were Vietnam deaths tallied? Does the Wall...

...name only soldiers who died in battle?

[s-cubed]

24. Get back to the question raised here, and not whether or not

the voice is authentic. We're researchers, right? Can't we research the number of dead and wounded & try to verify the claim? Especially since I think the voice is right that exposing this lie would inflame a lot of the population,.

I see several avenues:

1) see if people have already set up websites to honor the soldiers: may well have.
2) if not, set up a respectful one, where people can post pictures and comments of their loved ones.
3) exhaustively seek out names of the dead from news sources and compile a database of names which can be campares with the actual list.

What do you think?

[Blue_Tires]

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that part about the casualties is VERY alarming if true...I always knew the defense dept. fudged the numbers, but I was thinking the real number was 2500-3000 dead rather than 8000