Subversiveness is now a Repuke staple in its bag of tricks.

[Hoping4Change]

Subversiveness has always been associated with the powerless, a way of giving the finger to the powers that be.


What strikes me about the lavish Inaugural at time of war and sacrifice is the "Fuck you" and "Fuck decency" attitude employed by Repukes. This FU attitude in the sixties was directed at the Establishment at the up-tightness of the "silent majority" who were outraged by the "indecency" of R&R musicians, hippies etc.


Nowadays this attitude is the mainstay of the Repuke mouthpiece, hate radio. However in the hands of Repukes the decency that is now being dissed is the moral outrage of Liberals who by the epithet of being "elitist" is painted as the "Establishment" the well-spring of all that is constraining.


In the hands of deft spin doctors the Left are now the fuddy-duddyies and the Repukes are the liberators. :wtf:

[orpupilofnature57]

1. What will they call it in the future" Rove~Esq" 'Rovlovs dogs"

[Hoping4Change]

2. Rovlov Dogs. LOL. What about the Rovian Knot.?

It was said that anyone who could untie the Gordian knot would rule all of Asia.

Alexander the Great came along, HE DIDN'T BOTHER TO UNTIE THE KNOT, HE JUST CUT IT.

[punpirate]

3. I rather think this is...

... another example of monarchical behavior, combined with large dollops of wretched excess and conspicuous consumption.

Nothing about it is subversive, to my mind. It's the king telling his subjects to press your noses to the glass and watch in awe and secret envy....

Cheers.

[Hoping4Change]

5. Perhaps I have not worded it well but I believe it is subversive

in that the Right is subverting the Left by mimicking attitudes that have always been associated with those who have sought to subvert the establishment. IMO hate radio is all about subverting the credibiltiy of the Left.



subvert
A verb
1 overthrow, subvert, overturn, bring_down

cause the downfall of; of rulers; "The Czar was overthrown"; "subvert the ruling class"
Category Tree:
remove
¨^oust; throw_out; drum_out; boot_out; kick_out; expel
¨^depose; force_out
¨^overthrow, subvert, overturn, bring_down
¨^revolutionize
2 corrupt, pervert, subvert, demoralize, demoralise, debauch, debase, profane, vitiate, deprave, misdirect

corrupt morally or by intemperance or sensuality; "debauch the young people with wine and women"; "Socrates was accused of corrupting young men"; "Do school counselors subvert young children?"; "corrupt the morals"
Category Tree:
change; alter; modify
¨^corrupt, pervert, subvert, demoralize, demoralise, debauch, debase, profane, vitiate, deprave, misdirect
¨^suborn
¨^bastardize; bastardise
¨^poison
¨^whore
¨^lead_off; lead_astray
¨^infect
¨^sensualize; sensualise; carnalize; carnalise
3 sabotage, undermine, countermine, counteract, subvert, weaken

destroy property or hinder normal operations; "The Resistance sabotaged railroad operations during the war"
Category Tree:
act; move
¨^react; respond
¨^refuse; decline
¨^disobey
¨^sabotage, undermine, countermine, counteract, subvert, weaken
¨^derail
4 subvert

destroy completely; "we must not let our civil liberties be subverted by the current crisis"
Category Tree:
destroy; ruin
¨^subvert


http://www.wordreference.com/definition/subvert

[punpirate]

8. The word is not commonly used...

... in the context you have used it, I suppose. I usually think of "subversive," in a political context, of the ruled trying to undo the rulers, of the powerless going after the powerful.

M'self, I think the Bushies are just rubbing the Democrats' noses in shit. Another way of saying, "we and our corporate friends own it all now."

[Hoping4Change]

14. A post the other day referred to the "Old Republic" that time in

America when up meant up and down meant down and when indeed subversive meant "the ruled trying to undo the rulers, of the powerless going after the powerful."

But what I see happening is that the powerful have successfuly positioned themselves as the little guys fighting to subvert big bad government and all the so-called restraints of regulation.

The powerful have successfully assumed the mantel of the "outsider", the rebel and in doing so have attracted a large following of working class joes who also see themselves as outsiders.

[punpirate]

18. They also like very much to...

... portray themselves as victims. Victims of rampant liberalism. Victims of an unjust society. Victims of the UN. Victims of foreign aggression.

Everything's turned on its head these days.... :)

[Hoping4Change]

19. How true about their claming the victim role. What words/concepts that

once were wielded only by the Left haven't been gobbled up by these bloviating pigs?

[Eric J in MN]

4. There is a big party in DC every four years. What is new? (nt)

nt

[Hoping4Change]

6. Slaughter.

[Eric J in MN]

13. Do you mean the Iraq War of the tsunami? (nt)

nt

[Hoping4Change]

16. I was referring to Iraq. I wouldn't expect any nation to set aside

its festivities to mourn the loss of people on the other side of the globe because I don't think any nation has attained that degree of enlightenment. However when a nation is having it's blood and treasure drained toning down a party is the least a nation can do.

[TwentyFive]

7. Here is my theory....

I think they're seen as subversive because their logic is inferior.

Liberals rely on research & science to form our opinions. We are able to address issues such as global warming, sexual orientation, smoking dangers, human welfare, etc...based on what science, reason and logic say....and adjust our views accordingly. Fortunately, many educated people who run universities, research institutions (and other establishments) think the same way.

On the other hand, right wingers don't change their views. No matter what science tells us about homosexuality....the bible says it wrong, and it is sinful to question that. Our 'right' to drive huge SUVS, destroy the environment and own assault weapons are based on our Founding Fathers intentions...and screw what a bunch of scientists say! When govt outlaws smoking in bars, the conservatives go apeshit...despite all the science that says 2nd hand smoke kills. We can see many other examples...

So, conservatives are subversive....but it is science, reason and logic they are trying to subvert. When you hear a right-wing talk jock rant on about something - you can bet it's just his view of the world crashing up onto the hard shore of reality.

[Hoping4Change]

10. I like the image of their crashing into the hard wall of reality.

However I think you underestitmate their intelligence. The Right does not have inferior logic, what they have is the intent to subvert logic and reasoned discussion.

[TwentyFive]

11. I agree - but there are numerous ways to define intelligence.

I would never say Limbaugh or Hannity are not intelligent. These guys are brilliant. Where they go terribly wrong are with their nativistic views that are based on the bible and founding fathers intentions.

What made the USA a great country is that our leading scientists and intellectuals are empiristic. They still do...but there is a big war going on by conservatives to replace these people with nativists.

Your post brought up such an interesting point, because conservatives are still acting subversive. They've defeated liberals for political power...their next step is to replace the empirists at the nation's universities with nativists.

Once science, reason and logic are subverted by the bible and founding father's intentions as the primary values....we will be on our way to a fascist theocracy.

[Robbien]

9. Instead of investigating reporters for propaganda the NYT highlights blogs

If there is any doubt left that the NYT is an arm of the WH, this action of theirs removes all traces.

The first question which came to my mind after reading the NYT article was "Why is the NYT pointing fingers away from themselves and their peers?"

NYT is the master of diversion and is the best tool the WH has in its bag of tricks. One day out of the blue, the NYT pulls one post off of DU with which they label liberals/progressives Conspiracy Theorists. The next day when validating Ohio votes, GOP senators and the WH are all screaming Conspiracy Theorists.

Tool of Propaganda thy name is NYT.

[Eric J in MN]

15. Do you mean the Wall St. Journal? (nt)

nt

[Robbien]

17. True, WSJ hit job on blogs, NYT set up piece on conspiracy theorists

both tools of the corporate elite noise machine.

[w4rma]

12. decadent (nt)