Am I horrible for this?

[Pushed To The Left]

Anybody who knows me knows how much I can't stand the politics of the right wing. I enjoy hearing right-wing talk show hosts getting angry, because bad news for them is good news for progressives most of the time. But I'm now finding myself getting a little sadistic when it comes to this. For example, my support for groups like the ACLU is based on progressive principles and stopping the right wing. I never got excited about the Pledge issue and thought that covering up the crosses on the seal was silly. But now, I'm finding myself getting this strange pleasure when these issues come up. I know how upset the religious right would be is somebody like Michael Newdow won a case. Even though I'm not crazy about what he's doing, I would get a sadistic pleasure if he won because of how upset the right-wing would be. What's gotten into me?

[cry baby]

1. I'm with you on that. I just like it when they get peeved.

[bryant69]

2. It's kind of a natural feeling, but obviously has a negative side too

As you seem to recognize.

Bryant
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[procopia]

7. not frivolous

He's trying to protect religious freedom.

[Deja Q]

14. Keeping state and church separated for the good of ALL Americans, of ANY

religion.

I'm a Christian and I've got to agree with Newdow. Especially when I disagree with how * practices his claimed Christianity.

[Mr_Spock]

22. * is a Christian? But he's a mass-murdering war criminal.

Is this a common affliction with traditional Christians?

[Mr_Spock]

4. I hear ya - but the RWNJ's do that as well so don't feel too bad!

They love to see liberals angry - even whilst they are loosing rights they may wish they still had later on...

[SmokingJacket]

5. Well, you're certainly not horrible.

I actually have the reverse reaction. I sort of agree with Newdow, but I cringe when it comes up because the Righties would so **enjoy** being victimized like this. If he won, they'd have orgasms, because then they could go off on how EVIL the liberals are... and it would go on and on and on....

What I want is to see someone caught by their OWN petard. I want to see Rush in a sex or drugs scandal. I want to see the truth about Bush's cocaine deal come out. Yeah, yeah, these aren't the important issues. But it would alight MY sadism.

[imenja]

6. problem is that stuff hurts more important progressive causes

It distracts from more important civil liberties issues. It can also make the ACLU look ridiculous. A large part of it is how the right wing media spins it, but some of the cases on their face are meaningless. Look how much mileage the Right got out of the suit concerning the word "God" in the pledge of allegiance. They use it to say the left is attacking God and country.
We have serious concerns about the Christian's Right's insistence on blending Church and state. My suggestion is that we frame the debate in terms of freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. The intelligent design crowd is advocating educational policy that will give the state a great deal of power over religion. We need to ask if they really want the state to control how their students are taught about the biblical origins of human kind. Why should the state control what sort of prayers are said? These are issues that churches and families can better oversee.

[katsy]

12. spoiler here!

I hate to be the spoil sport here BUT this is as much an issue of freedom FROM religion as it is freedom OF religion. The government's job is taking care of the people's BUSINESS. The church's job is taking care of their souls. I don't want my kids wasting 8 hours a day reciting the equivalent of the lord's prayer in umpteen different versions of every one of the world's religion. Also, the word god wasn't in the original pledge of allegience and was only recently inserted by RW activist judges.

The left isn't attacking god and country. Their defending everyone's god and preserving our rights under our CONSTITUTION not the bible. I admire Newdow for having the guts to defend everyone's right to their religion by keeping the government out of it. We have a government that can't even balance their own pfhucking checkbook and we want them screwing with the Constitution... or religion?

HELL NO. The RW fundamentalist bible-thumpers ARE NOT important. They DO NOT represent the Democratic Party's base. They ARE NOT welcome nor will I be part of any political organization that advocates the melding of religion and politics. If states insist on inserting intelligent design into their schools ciriculums... they should loose taxpayer funding. And the church leaders should shut their phucking mouths or loose their tax-exempt status.

If voters base their vote on this one issue... more power to them. They're not representative of the Democratic party and I don't want our leadership to pander to them.

Here's an example of a decent american value: The politicians should be killed and the churches taxed IMO.

[cry baby]

13. Sure can't advocate killing anyone! There are politicians with

hearts and minds. Barbara Boxer for one example. My grandfather was a politician, he tried to do good things with integrity.

Welcome to DU.

[katsy]

16. agreed.

You're welcome is much appreciated. And I agree with you regarding good politicians.

My apologies for the flippant remark

[cry baby]

19. No apology needed, I can tell that you're just mad as hell!

:mad: :mad:

Me, too!

[imenja]

20. My point was one of strategy

As I said, it was a suggestion of how to frame the issue so that we might be successful. The freedom from religion argument isn't working. I hoped to suggest something that might.

[katsy]

21. suggestion

Here's one straight forward frame:

We'll promise not to try to save your souls and risk screwing that up like we've done with the national deficit, the war in Iraq and our leadership position in the world if the churches promise to stick to saving souls. Would you hire a cleric to perform brain surgery on you? Or create jobs? And what innocent soul out there really expects a politician (snigger) to speak of morals?

Wanna bet that would be good for 400 electoral votes in 2008?

[Martin Eden]

8. To be horrible is to be human

With everything that's happened these last four years -- with one outrage following another and those responsible still acting like the aggrieved party and continuing to spew their distortions and venom -- you would have to be a saint not to take some pleasure in whatever misery they may experience.

As long as you've got self-awareness (and your post demonstrates you have the capacity for self-evaluation and self-criticism) you can guard against becoming an irrational hate-filled partisan like them.

[China_cat]

9. It's normal to want to see

somebody who's so full of themselves brought down a peg or 2, their egos deflated and them to see that their way isn't always going to win.

[MisterP]

10. they'd just love to parade Mr. Newdow in a S&M gag

why? because they're fascist f&(*ers

[tanyev]

11. Sniff....sniff...mmmm.

The smell of skewered and roasted hypocrisy. ;)

[UdoKier]

15. No. because I see their "anger" for what it is - a performance.

RW outrage on the media is almost ALWAYS a performance. They couldn't care less one way or the other so long as their bread is buttered. If anything, they are always eager for the next "PC/Liberal excess" to feign outrage over.

[Princess Turandot]

17. Consider that the Republicans might laugh their way even more..

easily to social security privatization and the dismemberment of Medicare because Newdow et al are distracting a portion of the populace with these types of lawsuits.

I don't believe that the inaugaural oath taken on a Bible has ever caused anyone to become a Christian much less forced anyone to become one. Personally, I dislike seeing the Graham televangelism show up on the steps of the Capitol. But keeping America's social safety net in place is far more important than removing the Grahams from those steps IMO. These lawsuits are doing the devil's work for him, the devil who comes from Crawford, Texas, not any netherworld.
It wouldn't surprise me if Dr. Newdow is receiving bank deposits in another part of the world these days; he seems to spend too much time on lawsuits to be earning a living as an anesthesiologist, which I believe is his profession.

Everyone argues with each other about these lawsuits as 'failing to see the forest for the trees'. The problem is that the forest in question is not necessarily religious freedom.

[orpupilofnature57]

18. That word ( progressive) it causes (diametric opposition disease).

LIBERAL,a higher goal.