Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The skies over Florida

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 07:36 AM
Original message
The skies over Florida
Some photos of the sky during cane season in Florida west of town.... you know, you can never have too much ash and chemicals floating around in the air for your children to breathe.

Almost makes the threat of a crop duster in the wrong hands pale by comparison.... oh, and there are plenty of those spraying who knows what DAILY.





Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
apple_ridge Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 07:55 AM
Response to Original message
1. WTF? I hope you keep a gas mask handy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #1
6. Actually, I don't breathe the smoke, ash and chemicals from Florida
anymore.... now I breathe them in Louisiana. Food's real good here btw. :)

http://www.opensecrets.org/pubs/cashingin_sugar/sugar08.html
>>With 600,000 acres of sugar cane fields and sugar mills producing 1.8 million tons of raw sugar every year, the state of Florida provides a quarter of the sugar produced in the United States. Louisiana, Hawaii, and Texas are also sugar cane states, but none of them surpasses Florida.<<

>>The Fanjuls are the largest, richest beneficiaries of the federal sugar program. But they are far from the only beneficiaries in Florida, and are hardly the only campaign contributors. A series on the sugar industry in the St. Petersburg Times in 1994 estimated the benefits received by Florida sugar cane concerns. Many of these companies are also campaign contributors.<<

>>For example, A Duda & Sons, which received an estimated $20 million in benefits from the sugar program, has contributed $155,425 to federal candidates, political committees, and presidential campaigns since 1979, $6,000 in soft money to national parties, and $33,140 in soft money to Florida state political parties. Hilliard Brothers of Florida, which received $1.6 million in federal benefits, contributed $90,773 to federal candidates, political committees, and presidential campaigns; $1,000 in soft money to national parties, and $1,200 to Florida state political parties.<<

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 08:16 AM
Response to Original message
2. CSI: Miami?
Hmm, Clear Skies Initiative = CSI Miami

Ain't the Clear Skies Initiative wonderful? Breathe deep and you won't have enough brain cells to protest anymore.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:12 AM
Response to Reply #2
5. Actually.... shrubby campaigned real hard (it's hard work) in Clewiston
prior the Selection 2000, and he got quite alot of support from the more educated there.... </sarcasm>

http://www.saveoureverglades.org/news/articles/news_after.html
Like any modern farming town, Clewiston, Florida, de facto capital of the American sugar industry and, by its own estimate, "America's Sweetest Town," reveals itself to visitors well beyond the city limits. Thirty miles out, the famous sugarcane crop begins--tall, genetically tailored, and emerald green--stretching out like nappy AstroTurf as far as the eye can see. Next come the thick, mile-high smoke clouds as the freshly cut cane fields are burned off. And then comes the smell: the funky, earthy, sickly-sweet odor of cane juice being boiled down into coarse blond crystals of raw sugar. Six months a year, twenty-four hours a day, in Clewiston or anywhere else in the Rhode Island-size piece of drained swamp known as the Everglades Agricultural Area (EAA), the scent is inescapable and unmistakable, a territorial marker that makes newcomers grimace and reminds everyone else what money smells like.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #5
14. Damn!
Thanks for the article.

A real eye-opener.

I'm stunned.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #14
18. Yes.... these people who pay their way through the maze of pollution
rules and regulations are quite stunning. We reap what they sow. Ask yourself why a truly male sturgeon hasn't been born in the Mississippi River in the last 40 years or so.... then ask yourself, do we really know how deep the rabbit hole goes....

OUR STOLEN FUTURE, PART 3: FLYING BLIND

OUR STOLEN FUTURE,
the new book on hormone-disrupting chemicals,<1> provides many lessons about our use of chemicals, and about our reliance on science as a guide for public policy.

http://inquirer.gn.apc.org/hormones3.html

Genes are not destiny. Many people seem to think that we may be able to explain everything from cancer to homosexuality by locating the responsible genes. But in a series of scientific papers starting in 1980, Frederick vom Saal at University of Missouri demonstrated that there are other powerful forces shaping individuals--both females and males--before birth. Genes are not the whole story. Before birth, levels of both male and female sex hormones in the womb can affect the physical characteristics and the behavior of mice, giving rise to great variation in offspring that are genetically identical. By examining human twins, scientists have now revealed similar effects in humans.<2>

Thus we now know that hormones are a way that nature provides variation within a species. Profound variation among individuals can be caused by miniscule hormone differences in the womb, differences of a few parts per trillion. (One part per trillion is a million times lower than one part per million.) This is a degree of sensitivity to hormones that approaches the unfathomable, a sensitivity, vom Saal says, "beyond people's wildest imagination." This exquisite sensitivity provides rich opportunities for creating varied offspring from the same genetic stock. However, the dark side is that this same sensitivity also makes the reproductive system vulnerable to serious disruption if something interferes with normal hormone levels. (pgs. 39-41)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #18
23. not to mention intergenerational endocrine disruptors
Edited on Sun Jan-16-05 12:01 PM by Mabus
hey, I live in Kansas. Can you say "pesticide"?

edited subject line. formerly just "Intergenerational endocrine disruptors"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #23
28. My gawd... you do get it. Yes, mothers do pass on to their unborn what
they have carried around with them... they do "leech" toxins... lead is a biggy... since it is stored in bones and a fetus does draw off the calcium stores in a mothers bones... chemically lead "looks" like calcium to the body.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #28
34. I do research
mostly legal for environmental groups. I've never gotten paid but I've learned a helluva lot.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #34
38. So if a mother lacks a strong enzymatic detox path for oh say.... heavy
metals... and her child inherits this genetic flaw, then when the child is in the developmental stages where the nervous system is making changes by leaps and bounds... lead from the mother's bones is incorporated into the child adding insult to injury... have you researched this and are you aware of the soil lead levels in some of the inner cities in this country?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. I dunno
Several years ago I did some research for a local environmental group concerning atrazine levels in the water. What I was looking for at the time was how/when measurements were taken. I found out that the state agency tested water by going to midstream in February and only testing the first 6 - 10 inches. What that meant was that they were testing it BEFORE prime runoff times (before spring rains and before winter snow melt off) and that they way they tested the water couldn't detect heavier metals.

While looking for this information I got pretty curious about the pesticides and other toxins that I was running across. That's the only reason I know as much as I do.

I'm don't know about soil lead levels in the inner cities but I can imagine that in some areas it is beyond toxic.

As an aside, a friend of mine used to do asbestos inspection around the country. He had horror stories too.

Do you have some information you can share on the soil lead levels in inner cities?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. Why.... as a matter of fact, I do.... let me hook you up..... now stay
with me.....

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9842383&dopt=Abstract


http://www.epa.gov/lead/cfad_ex.htm
Summary and Assessment of Published Information on Determining Lead Exposures and Mitigating Lead Hazards
Associated with Dust and Soil in Residential Carpets, Furniture, and Forced Air Ducts
December 1997, EPA 747-S-97-001
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

http://www.bridges4kids.org/lead.html

Lead Poisoning: MLSP Home Page

Working to keep Michigan's kids safe through action and awareness.

back to Bridges4Kids ~ Contact the Michigan Lead Safe Partnership
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. And as far as the issue of a genetic flaw resulting in a weakened protein
that is involved in the clearance of heavy metals.... well, now, that's just an amazing thing to think about... truly it is. Imagine being aware of this from the getgo... and doing what is necessary to head off aspergers, autism, type A personality etc....


www.hriptc.org

http://www.bbbautism.com/dan_william_walsh.htm
William Walsh - Pfeiffer/Metallathionein
Slide 1. Year 2001 discovery: Metallothionein (MT) Dysfunction in Autism
- Absence of Cu, Zn Regulation in Blood
- MT Proteins Responsible for Cu, Zn Regulation
- MT Dysfunction consistent with Classic Autism Symptoms
Notes: MT Dysfunction occurs in almost all autistics. They looked through their database of patients that clearly were diagnosed with some form of autism and did not have another co-existing diagnosis.



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11875286
In harm's way: toxic threats to child development.

Stein J, Schettler T, Wallinga D, Valenti M.

Greater Boston Physicians for Social Responsibility, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA. jstein@massmed.org
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #41
44. Vaccines were for a long time.... preserved with thimerasol.... are you
aware of what is in Thimerasol?? Mercury, something a kid who already is at odds with the world of heavy metals really needs jabbed into his system.

I wonder why I am so interested in all of this stuff... still I wonder... then again, I remember Micky Rourke in Angel Heart... the criminal whom he was chasing (in my case trying to understand what went wrong year ago) was staring at him in the mirror.

Quite a twisty plotline... if you haven't had the pleasure. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #44
49. Most interesting information
I've been going back and forth (working on my husband's computer on which his kids downloaded a bunch of stuff including some spyware) all day. I finally came to the conclusion that his hard drive was so chock full of the bad stuff that I'm going to go ahead and reformat it and start over. (Whenever an alarm came up they ushered through until they figured out how to disable the alarm!)

I'll need some time to go over the information you gave and more time to digest it. But damn, what a treasure trove of information. I struggled a bit when I was doing the research a few years ago because of the deficiency in my organic biology, especially in reading some of the more technical stuff, but I made it through it with enough of an understanding to be dangerous (sort of).

I am particularly interested in the autism stuff because I work with kids in afterschool programs and over the years have noticed an rise in autism in many forms. At first I thought it had to do with integration into the classrooms but I did run across some stuff a while back about a higher incident of it in recent years.

I have to go. My husband wants to use my computer to connect to the internet while I work on his.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #49
52. Hope you get this.... since you are dealing with kids who could benefit
from your knowing about it.... do check this one out thoroughly...

www.resultsproject.net
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #28
42. My dad had Parkinson's
and his doctors told us it was most likely caused by exposure to agricultural chemicals when he was a kid. (He grew up in western KS)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. I assume your father is no longer with you... sorry to hear... my dad
was taken out by farming chemicals, smoking and chemo/rad in western NY.

Since familial Parkinson's does exist...... I wish you would purchase The Brain Wellness plan and read the chapter on Parkinson's for your own protection. Some very simple things you can do can minimize your odds of ever having to deal with it.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/checkup-2004/parkinsons-disease-dec.html
Mayo Clinic Checkup / December 2004 (Vol. 11, No. 6)
Cause of familial Parkinson's disease discovered
Breakthrough will help doctors focus on developing drugs
that may treat the cause, not just the symptoms


If you will notice these doctors are doing the doctor thing... they are discussing drugs to use once Parkinson's disease has manifested. Talk about putting the cart before the horse. Many things diminish as you age... DHEA, Coenzyme Q10, some endogenous antioxidants (especially if you have an ongoing condition) etc. A smart person learns about these and applies what he learns to maintain levels that are closer to a youthful person's. (levels) LEF has some info on it from a preventive standpoint... perhaps it will interest you....

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-088a.shtml#naturaltreat




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. Thanks for the info
I will look it over carefully.

We are lucky in that the university hospital that treated my dad signed us up for a study. They are looking in to a familial connection. So my siblings and I get a check up every year. The downside is that we had to agree to give them our brains when we die. But, hey, I figure I won't need it anymore then. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. Well, if memory serves.... from the book The Brain Wellness Plan...
Edited on Sun Jan-16-05 06:35 PM by 4MoronicYears
persons who are susceptible to Parkinson's disease, (PD from now on) posess a gene that produces a weakened form of superoxide-dismutase, an enzyme I believe, that is responsible for mopping up stale neurotransmitters and possibly dealing with pesticides.... let me see.... yupper... we have a winner. This is not the only paper btw... go to the top of the page linked and enter your own search terms, I entered Parkinson's SOD to get this page up...

Mind you, The Brain Wellness Plan was published yeeeeeers ago. Now you see at the NIH a paper showing the veracity of the claims made therein. SOD, Coenzyme Q10 and a high quality form of vitamin E that contains alpha tocopherol and mixed tocopherols are all available at quality health food (Nutrition Science) stores just about everywhere.

If price is paramount, may I suggest www.vitaminshoppe.com

On EDIT: You certainly should acquaint yourself with the book Excitotoxins, the Taste That Kills" by Russell Blaylock board certified neurologist, and put down that diet soda if you have one...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15193280
1: Cell Biol Int. 2004;28(5):373-80. Related Articles, Links

Protection against MPP+ neurotoxicity in cerebellar granule cells by antioxidants.


Gonzalez-Polo RA, Soler G, Rodriguezmartin A, Moran JM, Fuentes JM.

Departamento de Bioquimica y Biologia Molecular y Genetica, Facultad de Veterinaria, Universidad de Extremadura, Caceres, Spain.

The neuropathology associated with Parkinson's disease (PD) is thought to involve excessive production of free radicals, dopamine autoxidation, defects in glutathione peroxidase expression, attenuated levels of reduced glutathione, altered calcium homeostasis, excitotoxicity and genetic defects in mitochondrial complex I activity. While the neurotoxic mechanisms are vastly different for excitotoxins and 1-methyl-4-phenylpyridinium ion (MPP(+)), both are thought to involve free radical production, compromised mitochondrial activity and excessive lipid peroxidation. We show here that the levels of reactive oxygen species (ROS) and reactive nitrogen species (RNS) increased significantly after treatment of cultured cerebellar granule cells (CGCs) with 50 microM MPP(+).

Co-treatment with antioxidants such as ascorbate (ASC), catalase, alpha-tocopherol (alpha-TOH), coenzyme Q(10) (CoQ(10)) or superoxide dismutase (SOD) rescued the cells from MPP(+)-induced death.
MPP(+)-induced cell death was also abolished by co-treatment with nitric oxide synthase (NOS) inhibitors such as 7-nitroindazole (7-NI), 2-ethyl-2-thiopseudourea hydrobromide (EPTU) or S-methylisothiourea sulphate (MPTU). We also tested the protective effects of an iron chelator (deferoxamine mesylate, DFx) and a peroxynitrite scavenger (FeTTPS) and the results lend further support to the view that the free radical cytotoxicity plays an essential role in MPP(+)-induced death in primary cultures of CGC.

PMID: 15193280
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. Yuck - diet soda!!
I am a teacher and we had a dental school student come last year to do a presentation to our kids called 'STOP THE POP'. She had graphic pictures of tooth decay blown up on posters and overhead transparencies. It was grotesque. She also explained in great detail what was in pop and what each of those chemicals can do to your teeth and your brain.

I have never been a big pop drinker. But honestly I have not had a drop of it since that day. I have had to spend a bunch of $$ on dental work in the past year and I am not going to create any more problems.

I also need to quit smoking. I have a very healthy diet and lifestyle except for that. And I know - it's a killer.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #47
48. Nutrasweet, a stealth poison put out by Monsanto (Monsatan from her
on) is in just about everything.... consider this...

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/06/10/aspartame_and_multiple_sclerosis_neurosurgeons_warning.htm
Of equal concern is observation that we know that about 10% of the population (based on autopsy studies of elderly) have MS lesions without ever developing the full blown disease, a condition called benign MS. A diet high in excitotoxins, such as aspartame, can convert this benign, subclinical condition into full-blown clinical MS. The amount of excitotoxins consumed in the average American diet is considerable, as shown by several studies. In addition, the toxin methanol is also in the aspartame molecule. Methanol is a axon poison. Combined toxicity of the aspartate and the methanol adds up to considerable brain toxicity and can convert benign, subclinical MS into full-blown MS. Once the MS becomes full-blown, further consumption of excitotoxins magnifies the toxicity, increasing disability and death.

Recent studies have also shown that even single exposures to these food-based excitotoxins can produce prolonged worsening of neurological lesions. In addition, it has been demonstrated that autoimmune reactions (as occur with MS) greatly magnify the toxicity of aspartate and glutamate (the excitotoxins). We also know liquid forms of excitotoxins are significantly more toxic because of rapid absorption and higher blood levels. In the face of this connection between excitotoxicity and the pathophysiology of MS, it would be ludicrous to allow further use of this excitotoxin containing sweetener.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #48
50. So am I better off using regular sugar in my coffee?
I go back and forth on this, I try to avoid too much sugar to avoid tooth decay.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #50
53. If you like the taste of it... Stevia is used or has been used in Japan fo
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #47
51. I also need to quit smoking.
Familiarize yourself with the topics on this homepage... you can learn alot from these people... they are professionals in providing pertinent info regarding health and disease..

http://www.lef.org/

Another great site is www.nutritionfocus.com

And I can't forget, www.alternativemedicine.com
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #51
54. Wow I O U
TWO links that I have bookmarked today. THANK YOU
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. Where high school and college may fail, DU will almost certainly prevail.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 08:24 AM
Response to Original message
3. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.................................
there's nothing like the smell of burning cane fields in the morning. it smells like.............political graft. I'd venture a guess that this photo was taken somewhere not too far from Lake Okeechobee.
This has been going on for decades down there. The heavily government subsidized Sugar Industry has been getting largess from Tallahassee for decades. Not only did they get permission to drain the Everglades, pollute the aquifer with pesticides, and bring in seasonal labor from Jamaica to harvest the Cane (which is VERY dangerous, think human body parts the next time you put that spoonful of sugar in your coffee), the Sugar Industry in Florida is rapidly dying. The earth there is literally dying from lack of crop rotation and decades of pesticide abuse. What does that mean? It means the government of Florida will subsidize the clean up (not the sugar growers, they've paid too much to fat politicians for that to happen, although they DO own the companies that will do the cleanup!) and that wonderful new land will be ready for development by the Sugar Growers, again, on the taxpayers dime.
What a wonderful world we live in. South Central Florida will be the "new" paradise, complete with a system of canals and "lakes" (we'd call them ponds here) and this property will be sold as......wait for it........waterfront property! I shit you not.
Florida is barely above sea level. This particular area is below sea level. It will take but one monster hurricane such as Andrew to lay waste to this entire "dream" of the developers. It can't happen soon enough for me. Any asshole that buys swampland, in this case below sea level, deserves everything coming to them. My only hope is that the Sugar Growers, developers and politicians live there when it happens as well.
Florida is the most politically crooked State in the Union. There is more graft there, on the Town, County, and State Level than in most third world countries. It's our very own Banana Republic.
I've researched this issue carefully. What I wrote is not a matter of opinion or "if" it will happen, it's a matter of "when" it will happen.
I hate the State of Florida. I lived there for a time. It's nothing more than cheap particle board with pretty contact paper on it. Don't scratch the surface too deeply or you'll not like what you find. It's a festering swamp that they've painted up, planted pretty flowers on and made people believe that it's paradise on Earth. Nature will always take back what is hers, and Florida will be reclaimed by nature, mark my words.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. Why yes, yes it is near the "Big O". And yes it is politically corrupt...
any wonder who is gubner there? Yes, I have seen the corruption FIRST HAND.... and NO I don't miss living there, it is as you say... it is a commmercial, a lie, a vaudeville act on steroids, a sham, an environmental disgrace, other than that it ain't too bad of a place to be from....

This plume is heading southeast towards Miami near Route 27 or Bloody 27 as they call it from all the deaths associated with the cane trucks over the years.... this is only the mill... not the actual fields afire.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dear Maggie Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #4
7. What does the mill do?
What would be in these 'clouds?'
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. It mills. Seriously, it cooks the sugar out of the cane
stalks... crushes it, boils it, the usual.

One of my favorite pics is the one beyond the ENR (Everglades Nutrient Removal) project at SFWMD, (an organization that traditionally has been nothing more than a handmaiden to the sugar industry) because there is a SFWMD truck in the foreground.... to me, it is the ultimate irony.

What is in the clouds from the mills and the cane buring can best be ferreted out by searching for Clewiston and Belle Glade at www.scorecard.org

Get an in-depth pollution report for your county, covering air, water, chemicals, and more.
Your Zip Code:

Here is the pic that says it all for me...



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #8
10. For Palm Beach County.... here are the stats....
Sorry about the format.... better at the site ---> http://www.scorecard.org/community/who.tcl?fips_county_code=12099&name=PALM%20BEACH&zip_code=33416



Rank Facility City Pounds
1 U.S. SUGAR CORP.,BRYANT MILL BRYANT 1,062,648
2 OKEELANTA CORP. SOUTH BAY 296,000
3 FLORIDA POWER & LIGHT CO. RIVIERA POWER PLANT RIVIERA BEACH 141,929
4 SUGAR CANE GROWERS COOP. OF FL BELLE GLADE 50,360
5 VENTURE MARINE MANGONIA PARK 16,000
6 AMERICAN MARBLE INC. BOYNTON BEACH 13,282
7 FLORENTINE MARBLE CO. INC. BOYNTON BEACH 7,088
8 CLASSIC CULTURED MARBLE INC. RIVIERA BEACH 4,263
9 TOM G. SMITH MUNICIPAL POWER PLANT LAKE WORTH 2,877
10 FRY TECH. RIVIERA BEACH 510
11 PRECIOUS PLATE FLORIDA WEST PALM BEACH 250
12 ABC SUPERABRASIVES BOCA RATON 10
13 SAFETY-KLEEN SYS. (309701) BOYNTON BEACH 6
14 MONIERLIFETILE L.L.C. BOCA RATON 3
15 PORT CONSOLIDATED INC. WEST PALM BEACH 1





Rank Chemical Name Pounds
1 ATRAZINE 383,600
2 NAPHTHALENE 339,100
3 BENZENE 272,660
4 FORMALDEHYDE 99,440
5 MANGANESE COMPOUNDS 92,000
6 SULFURIC ACID 82,000
7 ETHOPROP 75,488
8 METHANOL 50,360
9 PHENOL 49,540
10 STYRENE 40,633
11 HYDROCHLORIC ACID 40,000
12 TOLUENE 26,680
13 PENDIMETHALIN 19,800
14 VANADIUM COMPOUNDS 19,000
15 CHLORINE 3,127
16 AMMONIA 500
17 METHYL ETHYL KETONE 500
18 BENZO(GHI)PERYLENE 340
19 NICKEL 250
20 LEAD COMPOUNDS 177

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dear Maggie Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:11 AM
Response to Reply #10
13. Not good - but is this worse?
These are some of the chemicals the 'gulf war syndrome' vets were exposed to

3 BENZENE 272,660
12 TOLUENE 26,680
17 METHYL ETHYL KETONE 500

I think anything with the n-butyl ethers is the primary suspect for the cause of 'gulf war syndrome' Such as 2-butoxyethanol and diethylene glycol monobutyl ether: also teratogens, neurotoxins, pesticides, solvents and poisons.

Anyone is at risk from harm from babies to seniors, from military since the 1930s when invented by the chemical companies to mom, too

And it is in paint, and lots of other things Maybe jet fuel, gun cleaner ... it is a LONG list

Look and see what you use that contains more than 3% of these

Check for what products contain 2-butoxyethanol
(CAS Registry Number: 111-76-2)
in the Household Products Data Base
Also check for the complex version Diethylene glycol monobutyl ether or 2-2-butoxyethanol (CAS Registry Number: 112-34-5)


Now there is concern, most think, from benzene. (causes leukemia & aplastic anemia)
Well, that could be, but it is not near as harmful, in my opinion, as
2-butoxyethanol

What does 2-butoxyethanol do?
Causes eye irritation. Affects Central Nervous System, Blood and Blood-forming Organs; Kidneys, Liver & Lymphoid System Defats the skin

EFFECTS OF SHORT-TERM EXPOSURE:
The substance irritates the eyes, the skin, and the respiratory tract

Exposure could cause central nervous system depression and liver and kidney damage.



EFFECTS OF LONG-TERM OR REPEATED EXPOSURE:
The liquid defats the skin.

The substance may have effects on the haematopoietic system , resulting in blood disorders.

Medical Surveillance:
Consider the points of attack (liver, kidneys, lymphoid system, skin, blood, eyes, respiratory system) in placement and periodic physical examinations.
**PEER REVIEWED**

2-Butoxyethanol causes acute hemolytic anemia in rats

In F344 male rats, 2-butoxyethanol causes severe acute hemolytic anemia resulting in significant increase in the concentration of free plasma hemoglobin. Secondary to the hemolytic effects, 2-butoxyethanol also caused hemoglobinuria as well as histopathologic changes in the liver and kidney.

*Notes to Physician: Administration of Sodium bicarbonate may be of value to treat acidosis.

Monitor kidney and liver function and arterial blood gases closely.


How would you feel, if you were affected? Tired and grouchy and

So you tell me, if this is the cause of CFS, CFIDS & 'gulf war syndrome' from the 1930's to now ... do you think we could get Congress to ban it? Personally, I don't think that chemical companies are more powerful than the American People. It is a matter of education and then, maybe the real 'sleepiing giant' will arise ?

(Most of the web pages here are ones I wrote from a study I've been doing - no cost to anyone. But doctors need this info to find the fatigue that's been hard to find) Please pass it on


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #13
22. I am of the mindset, (because of what I have seen) that many if not
all of the conditions associated with chemical exposure can be either partially or totally reversed. Your body is alway regenerating at a particular rate. It is now known that nerve cells regenerate (brain cells) something that was long thought impossible.

You body can regenerate and heal at a much faster rate, and it isn't done with drugs, white lab coats, hospital charts or magic wands.

http://forum.lef.org/?f=39&m=17545
Essential saccharides have also been shown in clinical trials to reduce allergies and to allay symptoms in such chronic diseases as arthritis, diabetes, lupus, and kidney disease. They accelerate the healing of burns and wounds and help heal skin conditionsfrom poison ivy to psoriasis. They increase the bodys resistance to viruses, including those that cause the common cold, influenza, herpes, and hepatitis. They quell the recurrent bacterial ear infections that plague toddlers and children. Some people with fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, Gulf War syndrome, and HIV have reported improvement in their symptoms when they supplement their diet with these simple sugars.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dear Maggie Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. This is good news
But whatever the cure is for this chemical poisoning,
if known
Is not being shared

I'm working on the accurate diagnosis part
So far, the doctors say they do not know what the FATIGUE is in CFS, CFIDS & gulf war syndrome

So, many expensive, and painful and unnecessary tests are being done.

One man shared with me that the tests were worse than the ailment itself.

But, if there is a cure out there.

BRING IT ON!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. One of the most important discoveries in health and disease of the
last 10 years or so, may be that the production of the sugars that the body requires to form glycoproteins (cellular messenger molecules) is quite ATP intensive, ADP intensive, vitamin/mineral dependant, and enzyme dependant.

When an individual is perfectly healthy, all this goes according to plan. When a body is toxic, has a persistent virus, is bacteriologically challenged (Mycoplasma), stressed, genetically imperfect (most of us) etc, these sugars may not be produced in sufficient quantities.

When this occurs, glycoproteins may become (must become) malformed/incomplete. All cellular interactions within the body including the recognition of cancer cells, hormonal signalling, a cells need for cleansing, feeding, defending and its need to "die", (apoptosis) are dependant upon these sugars and properly completely formed glycoproteins.

Wouldn't it be nice if a human body could recruit its own stem cells?

Accelerate the removal of toxins?

Fight more hardily against virus and bacteria?

Well guess what. It can. Here are two examples for you, the rest you can search out on your own.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2001/Apr-22-Sun-2001/living/15843088.html
Conventional wisdom -- and many mothers -- would say Letourneau's health is at risk because of his all-too-human love of sugar.

But not Letourneau, 44, or his sister, Jeanie Stenberg, 40. No, they both believe Letourneau owes his life to the granulated white stuff.

"It saved his life," Stenberg said. "He's my living proof."

The substance Stenberg credits with saving her brother's life isn't the kind of sugar that comes in cubes or 5-pound bags. It's actually in the form of glyconutritional supplements, a combination of sugars that are said to help cells communicate, leading to better health.

Letourneau has taken the capsules dutifully every day since November. However, his introduction to glyconutrition came the first week in October, when he received about one year's supply of the supplement intravenously while he lay in a local hospital, dying, his organs failing one by one.


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0345441079/qid=1105898601/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-2003387-1001607?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
Sugars That Heal offers a revolutionary new health plan based on the science of glyconutrients--foods that contain saccharides. It gives authoritative guidance for getting all eight saccharides conveniently into your diet through supplements and readily available foods, as well as detailed information on correct dosages. Here, too, are chapters dealing with the special nutritional needs of people suffering from cancer, heart disease, asthma, and neurological disorders, and methods for using glyconutrients to treat depression, obesity, and ADHD.

The more doctors learn about glyconutrients, the more excited they become about their long-term fundamental health benefits. Now, with this new book, the breakthroughs in the study of glyconutrients are available to everyone. Whether your goal is to prevent disease, live longer and better, or treat a serious illness that has eluded conventional medicine, Sugars That Heal is your essential guide to complete health.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dear Maggie Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. Umbilical chord has stem cells
You say, "Wouldn't it be nice if a human body could recruit its own stem cells?"

Well, the umbilical chord has stem cells

Maybe there should be a practice of freezing this,
in case the child or any siblings needed a bone marrow transplant?

However, often the underlying harm, is acquired autoimmune hemolytic anemia for which I'm told there is no cure - but since it is not being diagnosed, I'm thinking there are bone marrow transplants being given, that might not help? Not my field. I don't know

These are the pattern of what 2-butoxyethanol could cause

Some doctor helps?

I'll look your infomation over. Maybe there will be something that will help someone. All help appreciated.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. No, I mean the human body can recruit its own stem cells, see here
read the articles on Fetal Alcohol Syndrome

http://www.fisherinstitute.org/

Fetal Alcohol Syndrome/Stem Cell -- Learning and Behavior Problems In Children With Maternal Alcohol Damage (FAS) Led to Benefits Reported in Infants and Youth Responsive to Micronutrients

For over a decade restorations in health associated with micronutrition could not be explained. Glyconutrient-fostered stem cell production answers the riddle.

By: H. Reg McDaniel, M.D.

Presented at :

3rd National Conference
New Initiatives in the Prevention and Intervention
of FAS/FAE for Aboriginal Peoples of Canada
May 21-22, 2003
Vancouver, BC CANADA

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dear Maggie Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #30
58. I am in touch with Dr. Reg McDaniel
His last e-mail made the following comments:

For questions about product protocols or related to sickness and disease conditions, we regret we are no longer able to assist in this area. The only exception to this, are medical questions pertaining to the children who are presently enrolled in one of MannaRelief’s programs. Dr. Reg McDaniel is now solely dedicating his time and efforts to the children involved with MannaRelief and new research related to the glyconutritional products.


We recommend you review the available resources below to find answers to your questions:

Product Protocols

www.mannarelief.org/protocol

Fisher Proceedings – scientific publications regarding particular disease related conditions

Fisher Institute (www.fisherinstitute.org) 972-660-1733 or helen@fisherinstitute.org



Videos, Books and Audio Tapes by various authors, including Dr. Reg McDaniel

DupliPack (www.glycotools.com) 888-443-1979 duplipack@aol.com


Medical Journals and Papers on Specific Diseases

To find the best paper on cancer (in our opinion), type “Hyland” into the search section of the website.
www.glycoscience.com

Testimonies

www.mannatech.com (Visit “Community Section” under “Theater”)

www.glycosystem.com – This website provides hundreds of testimonies for a fee.


Well, now that I've heard what you have share, I'll give his info more thought.

His first e-mail was a comment on a military doctor who worked in 'gulf war syndrome' research on 200 gulf war vets ... and that he was so discouraged about not finding the 'common denominator' that he would not speak of it again... after retiring.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dear Maggie Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #3
12. What a sad thought
From what I hear from AZ Realtors, Florida folks are leaving Florida in droves recently. All the the bad weather, they say; but now there is some flooding in AZ

I think some should come to Alaska and buy a house lot in virgin soil (with real trees) - such as developed in Valdez recently

But even in pipeline days - there were hazards of construction

http://www.valdezhousing.com/hazards_of_alaskan_construction.htm

I think it is a pesticide that causes CFS, CFIDS & gulf war syndrome, by the way
Pesticides are nothing to fool around with
& especially harmful for little ones and the elderly.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #12
15. Who isn't allergic to poisons?
It is amazing that we continue to expose ourselves, our children, our friends and neighbors to these concotions.

Besides the atmospheric warming blamed on air emissions, we also spread poisons throughout the atmosphere and even in our own little ecosystems in our houses.

Looks like a straight path to destruction, eh?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dear Maggie Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #15
16. You hit the nail on the head
Truer words were never spoken

When you see brain tumors, as you will, think about this chemical. Your mom or dad could have been exposed to it before you were born, then you get your own exposures and babies can be exposed from people breathing it into their eyes. Sad story

Oh, yes and HORRIBLE headaches, too

Just ask this gulf war syndrome vet Up to 200,000 and counting .... true patriots who are dying a slow death 'unnecessarily'

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #16
17. Both gulf wars..... started by repugs.... need I say more. eom
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dear Maggie Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #17
19. No, BUT
The USA does not have a clue as to the real cause of gulf war syndrome

And, by the way, ...the civilian name for GWS is

I would blame the chemical companies (which are more powerful than the President of the USA - whether Republican or Democrat
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dear Maggie Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #19
20. Would Matsui still be alive
... if it weren't for the n-butyl ether chemicals?

Pretty possible for his cancer to be from such a chemical
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2949659
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #19
21. Gulf War Syndrome Case Study fyi
http://www.satori-5.co.uk/word_articles/mcs/doctors_lie_over_cocktails.html

GULF WAR SYNDROME CASE STUDY.

Victims who started off as fit & young, have been damaged by a selection of the following assaults ---



1. PM2.5 particulate inhalation from the oil fires 1991 and PMI depleted uranium inhalation 1991 and 2003. 40% of DU (U238) used in shells/missiles vaporises to PMI size with remainder staying on site as residue. Effects of PMIs of DU inhaled were listed in the 30 October 1943 report to Brig.Gen.LR Groves (USA) and May 2001 report of Dr. D. Rok-ke (Nexus June/July 2003) proving results include asthma, damage to nerves, eyes, gums, kidneys, neuropsychological state, and causing skin rashes, lymphomas, cancers, uranium in semen and birth defects in progeny. Some 390 tons of DU was used in the 1991 war, and subsequently in Okinawa 1995/6, Serbia 1995, New Mexico, Puerto Rica, Nevada, Florida & Maryland and also Scotland. Atomic tests in Australia 0ct.l952-0ct.l957 left a legacy of cancers etc. especially in South Aust. & Queensland. The UK government said Australians were "expendable" during the Australian atomic testing program. Malignant melanoma arises from radioactivity and grows when the p53 gene is damaged by PAHs or ultraviolet light. The highest death rate is in Scotland among those who have not traveled away. Radioactive levels in the UK are raised from incineration of nuclear waste in 34 incinerators, plus emissions from steel plants (70000Bq/kg) and Sellafield, Nycomed (Cardiff), Trecatti & Nantygwyddon waste sites, and UK. nuclear plants and nuclear waste facilities. Adelaide in South Australia was plastered with radioactive fallout from 11 to 16 October 1956 comprising plutonium 239, Americanum 241, Iodine 131, Strontium 90 & Caesium 137. Tony Blair's mother died of thyroid cancer following that exposure. The highest rate of birth defects and breast cancers in Wales are downwind of the old Trawsffynedd nuclear power station, Pembroke oil complex & Nantygwyddon (breast cancers to follow). An increase in incidence of leukaemia c.1991 and general cancers c.2002 followed a nuclear incident in Earley (Reading) in 1986. Effects of PM2.5s from oil fires include asthma, strokes, heart attacks, cancers (especially lung, prostate and bowel), hypothyroidism, clinical depression, infant mortality (locals). High PAHs would have wrecked the p53 gene promoting cancer growth over the subsequent 20 years. A Belgian incinerator report covered 20 years of premature death and illnesses. The report about the Port Kembia steel works emitting up to 150000Bq/Kg of radionucleotides revealed leukaemia and cancer rates up to 16km downwind with the highest nearest to the plant some 9 times higher, then dropping off steadily.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dear Maggie Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. word_articles/mcs/doctors_lie_over_cocktails.html
That part of the web page is different

Anyway, I've explored several of the hypothesis of what the harm to our gulf war vets was. www.valdezlink.com/chad4.htm

Since March, 03 I began wondering about the comparisons of the Exxon Valdez oil spill cleanup and the oil spill cleanup after the first gulf war

I found several www.valdezlink.com/wondering.htm

However, the best 'match' for all of their symptoms, is by a chemical on their list of pesticide/solvent exposures: 2-butoxyethanol which does all of them ALL BY ITSELF. And, sadly, after all of the millions of dollars spent to 'study' & find the cause of their harm. It has not been studied

http://www.valdezlink.com/acute.htm

http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/2bharm.htm#sym

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. Much of what is described in your links can be attributed to dysfunction
of, dysregulation of, and overactivity of the immune response. This is addressable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dear Maggie Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #25
31. OK - But how to get immune system working properly?
Say someone realized what chemical exposure cause their immune system to go 'whacky' and avoided more exposure ... & never got to the cancers it can cause

But this can cause autoimmune hepatitis, and cause death in children of those overexposed from 15 days old to 10 years old. AND that is a secondary ailment. First thing is the immune system attacking the red blood cells

HELP PLEASE
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. First thing is the immune system attacking the red blood cells
Are you into immunology? I mean, do you really understand autoimmunity, have you gotten the message from the other links I dropped?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=9829439
The in vitro immunomodulatory effects of glyconutrients on peripheral blood mononuclear cells of patients with chronic fatigue syndrome.

See DM, Cimoch P, Chou S, Chang J, Tilles J.

University of California, Irvine, Department of Medicine, Orange 92668, USA.

In humans, eight monosaccharides are required for the synthesis of glycoproteins. Dietary supplements that supply these crucial sugars are known as glyconutrients. A glyconutrient compound was added to Peripheral Blood Mononuclear Cells (PBMC) isolated from normal controls and patients with the Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS), a disease associated with immune dysregulation. The in vitro immunomodulatory effects were investigated. Cell surface expression of the glycoproteins CD5, CD8, and CD11a were significantly lower in patients with CFS compared to normal controls. Addition of glyconutrient homogenate to PBMC from patients with CFS stimulated with phytohemagglutinin significantly increased the expression of each glycoprotein. Furthermore, natural killer (NK) cell function was reduced in CFS patients. The glyconutrient preparation significantly enhanced NK cell activity versus human herpes virus 6 (HHV-6)-infected H9 cells in an 8 h 51Cr release assay compared to placebo for PBMC from patients with CFS (p< .01).
Finally, apoptosis was significantly higher in patients with CFS. The percentage of apoptotic cells was significantly decreased in PBMC from patients with CFS that had been incubated for 48 h with glyconutrients. Thus, glyconutrients improved abnormal immune parameters in vitro in patients with CFS.


Publication Types:

* Clinical Trial


PMID: 9829439



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=10689103
Effects of a glyconutrient on macrophage functions.

Lefkowitz DL, Stuart R, Gnade BT, Roberts E, Lefkowitz SS.

Department of Biological Sciences, Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas 79409, USA.

Integr Physiol Behav Sci. 1998 Jul-Sep;33(3):280-7. Related Articles, Links
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dear Maggie Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. No, need help here
You ask, "Are you into immunology?"

No

I just realize that the immune system is very much affected by 2-butoxyethanol and other n-butyl ethers

I'll look over your info, but I have no medical background

www.valdezlink.com/immune_system.htm

Just learning what I can as a 'lay person' interested in the harm of 2-butoxyethanol. In an acute exposure, there are many signs; in the end stage, it is noticed; but in the many years in between ... it hides out.

Thanks for sharing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. When cellular communication is enhance, speeded up, corrected,
intensified by "glyconutrients", enzymatic activity in the body is also enhanced, modified, accelerated (sp), detox intensifies, virus removal intensifies, in other words.... EVERYTHING works better when the body has ample or even "extra" glyconutrients to throw around. When you take them in supplement form, your body doesn't have to manufacture them.... and THIS REMOVES a huge metabolic load off your bodily systems.... the benefits this can provide a person are immeasureable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #35
37. Immunology 101
Edited on Sun Jan-16-05 02:40 PM by 4MoronicYears
What these people are not saying, and perhaps what they don't know, is that a group of sugar/protein "whiskers" that sit on the cell surface of immune cells referred to as cluster determinant 95 or CD95 are virtually non-existant in persons who suffer with Lupus. What they don't study are the effects of natural substances on the body's ability to better form and produce these sugar/protein "whiskers". (Glycoproteins)

What they would benefit from knowing is that CD95 is responsible for letting an immune cell "know" that it has turned on the body, and that it needs to DIE. (apoptosis) This is a normal process, that is obviosly not normal in persons who suffer with autoimmune conditions. A potential reason for this "autoimmunity" is that they are NOT PRODUCING ENOUGH HIGHLY SPECIFIC SUGARS to properly/sufficiently construct glycoproteins, in particular CD95.

http://www.arthritis.org/research/ResearchUpdate/03Sept_Oct/Immunology_101.asp

Death for T and B cells
The immune system is normally tightly controlled so that it is only deployed in response to foreign invaders. But sometimes, the system breaks down and mistakenly attacks the body’s own cells and organs. For instance, some immune cells called T cells attack the joint lining in rheumatoid arthritis (RA), while B cells create damaging proteins that are common in lupus. Scientists are making significant progress in determining how best to seek out and destroy just these harmful immune cells while leaving other parts of the body’s disease fighting system intact.

And the evidence that apoptosis is deficient in persons who suffer with Lupus....


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15529575
Rom J Intern Med. 2000-2001;38-39:83-8. Related Articles, Links

Serological levels of apoptotic bodies, sFAS and TNF in lupus erythematosus.

Alecu M, Coman G, Alecu S.

Dermatological Reaseach Center, Scarlat Longhin Hospital for Dermatology, 216, Sos. Serban Voda, 73202, Bucharest, Romania.

In our study we have investigated the presence of apoptotic bodies, soluble FAS receptor and TNF (tumor necrosis factor) in three clinical forms of lupus erythematosus. Determinations were performed in attack period of: systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE) for 20 patients, 20 patients with subacute cutaneous lupus erythematosus (SCLE), 20 patients with chronic discoid lupus erythematosus (DLE). Determinations were performed by ELISA (for apoptotic bodies, kit Boehringer, normal values 400-800 mU), (for sFAS, kit R&D Systems, normal values 4500-17000 pg/ml) (for TNF, ELISA kit R&D Systems, normal values 0.4-3.6 pg/ml). Results in SLE: apoptotic bodies were increased in 16 cases (980-1030); sFAS in 18 cases (17000-24000 pg/ml) TNF was increased in all 20 cases (40-140 pg/ml). In SCLE with multiple cutaneous lesions and without internal organs disturbance the apoptotic bodies were increased in 10 cases (960-1030 pg/ml), sFAS in 9 cases (17000-22000 pg/ml), and TNF alpha in 9 cases. In DLE, apoptotic bodies were increased in 2 patients (980-1010 pg/ml), sFAS in 3 patients (17000-20000 pg/ml) and TNF in 2 patients (20-40 pg/mil). Investigated values were slightly correlated with immune parameters (anti dsDNA antibodies), but they were correlated with the presence of renal disturbances or extension of cutaneous lesions. We consider that the presence of increased apoptotic bodies as a result of peripheral mononuclear cells apoptosis appear as a nauto-limiting mechanism in a pathological immune response. The increase of sFAS in lupus patients serum might be interpreted as an alteration of apoptosis respectively a deficit in apoptosis which has as a first consequence the persistence of B and T lymphocytes, activated, in the pathogen immune response.

PMID: 15529575

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dear Maggie Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #37
59. Could I take such a class?
... by correspondence or teleconference?

I suppose you don't start here, though, do you?

You sure know a lot!

Thanks for so much background.

I'll be busy for awhile
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #59
60. Glad to help anyone anytime... cheers... EOM.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dear Maggie Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. Autoimmune? How can you tell?
OK

When I started learning about 2-butoxyethanol harm in earnest - June, 2002, I found from the information on the chemical that it causes hemolytic anemia. And yet, people with known harm to it, have not been diagnosed with it. Doctors seem to find the secondary effects and the multiple other add on ailments it causes, but not the 'fatigue' that no rest helps. (It should start immediately and last)

But it does appear to be autoimmune hemolytic anemia ... acquired ... for the group I first started studying, the Exxon Valdez oil spill cleanup workers.

Then, I suspect it to be the 'gulf war syndrome' vets primary exposure of harm. In talking to a lot of people in both of these groups, it seems that it is autoimmune. The child of a gulf war vet died last year at the age of 10 ... from autoimmune hepatitis, her body turned on her liver and destroyed it. She died one month after diagnosis Maybe SIDS is not age related

Comparing what CFS & CFIDS symptoms are and you would start seeing these as the 'civilian gulf war syndrome' groups

All of the things I've heard about from all of these groups, sounds like the harm of 2-butoxyethanol. It does it all. The fatigue the doctors aren't finding, I believe, is AIHA. It is a provable harm if more is checked in the red blood cells and if other tests are re-looked at when the red blood cells are found to be mostly immature and there is trace blood in urine for many years.

So, back to this autoimmune feature. If it is primary to harm of the red blood cells and the liver and the colon & other functions, how is it tested for? How can doctors not only recognize that it is there, but that possibly it is the primary cause of harm?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #61
63. Autoimmunity can be caused by a myriad of factors... see here....
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15477505

1: Arch Neurol. 2004 Oct;61(10):1523-7. Related Articles, Links

Comment in:

* Arch Neurol. 2004 Oct;61(10):1500-2.

Click here to read
Relapsing-remitting multiple sclerosis and human herpesvirus 6 active infection.

Alvarez-Lafuente R, De las Heras V, Bartolome M, Picazo JJ, Arroyo R.

Servicio de Neurologia, Hospital Clinico San Carlos, 28040 Madrid, Spain. labesmul@hcsc.es


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15468355

1: J Rheumatol. 2004 Oct;31(10):1928-33. Related Articles, Links
Click here to read
Occupational risk factors for the development of systemic lupus erythematosus.

Cooper GS, Parks CG, Treadwell EL, St Clair EW, Gilkeson GS, Dooley MA.

Epidemiology Branch, National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, Durham, North Carolina 27709, USA. copper1@niehs.nih.gov

OBJECTIVE: There have been few studies of occupational exposures and systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE). We examined the association between the risk of SLE and occupational exposures (mercury, solvents, and pesticides), specific jobs (ever worked in teaching, healthcare, and cosmetology), and working night or rotating shifts. METHODS: Patients with recently diagnosed SLE (n = 265) were recruited through 4 university based and 30 community based rheumatology practices in North Carolina and South Carolina, USA. Controls (n = 355) were identified through driver's license records and were frequency matched to patients by age, sex, and state. Data collection included an in-person interview with detailed farming and work histories. RESULTS: Associations were seen with self-reported occupational exposure to mercury (OR 3.6, 95% CI 1.3, 10.0), mixing pesticides for agricultural work (OR 7.4, 95% CI 1.4, 40.0), and among dental workers (OR 7.1, 95% CI 2.2, 23.4). Although these associations were fairly strong and statistically significant, the prevalence of these exposures was very low and thus these estimates are based on a small number of exposed cases and controls. Weaker associations were seen between SLE and shift work (OR 1.6, 95% CI 0.99, 2.7) and among healthcare workers with patient contact (OR 1.7, 95% CI 0.99, 2.9). There was no association of SLE with use of solvents or among teachers or cosmetologists. CONCLUSION: This study reveals the potential contribution of occupational exposures to the development of SLE, and highlights some exposures and experiences that should be examined in other studies using more extensive exposure assessment techniques and in experimental studies of autoimmunity.

PMID: 15468355



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15349088
1: Neuro Endocrinol Lett. 2004 Jun;25(3):211-8. Related Articles, Links

The beneficial effect of amalgam replacement on health in patients with autoimmunity.

Prochazkova J, Sterzl I, Kucerova H, Bartova J, Stejskal VD.

The Institute of Dental Research 1st Medical Faculty Charles University and General University Hospital, Prague, Czech Republic. prochazkova@vus.cz



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dear Maggie Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #63
64. Examples of autoimmune
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:32 AM
Response to Original message
9. Bush EPA calls that "lung candy".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #9
11. U.S. Sugar is ranked pretty badly (Graph)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #9
33. I certainly smelled enough of it whilst I was there... in the first pic I
posted, if the mirror were turned in a little more on the truck... you would have seen the photographer. Damn, missed being "famous" by just a few degrees.... heh heh heh.....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:29 PM
Response to Original message
56. Interesting, but
if Florida is bad, what does that mean about the rest of the country? One thing about Florida that has ALWAYS impressed me was the clearness and brilliance of the bright blue skies and beautiful white clouds. I won't say I NEVER get a whiff of the cane fields, and it does stink, but it's rare that it comes this way. I feel sorry for those who are in its path regularly in the cane field burning season.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
doodadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:14 PM
Response to Original message
57. Fields Afire
This looks like a regular day in the San Joaquin Valley below us here. The Valley in central Calif. is the largest agricultural producer of the country: all manner of citrus crops, vegetables, nuts, and dairy products. I did my homework before we bought our ranch in the Sierra Nevadas above the Valley 3 years ago. Our area itself is great, but I had no idea how polluted the Valley below us (including Fresno) was. We're talking big corporate farming here. They typically burn the orchards and vineyards when they're done for the year. Farming rules. They're allowed to do "ag burns", when the rest of us are being told not to use our fireplaces. According to recent statistics, Fresno County has some of the highest asthma rates in the country. Local politicians--owned by the big corporate farms--keep trying to tell us it's all from people burning fireplaces here. Give me a break! Even worse, the giant hundreds years old Sequoias in the Parks up here are starting to show pollution damage from the Valley below.
And then, there's the big dairy farms. Don't get me started. You cannot drive past one of these huge operations with your car windows rolled down. There is legislation being put forward now, that will force them to control the huge "lagoons" they produce. These are the nastiest things imaginable. All of the waste for thousands of cattle going into a big "lake". Think it stays in the lake? Of course not, it leaks into the local water systems.
My biggest beef (pun intended) since moving here, are the farms that have the veal cages right out in front next to the road. You see rows and rows of cages, the cage not even big enough for the calf to turn around in. All this so people get eat the tenderest of beef. Somebody please explain to me how this is not animal cruelty? After seeing that, and acquiring my very own pet Brahma steer (The Cowboy, a long story, and quite a character), I had to swear off beef--especially when you add the whole mad cow thing into the mix.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #57
62.  Somebody please explain to me how this is not animal cruelty?
It is animal cruelty, you called it absolutely right.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0915811812/qid=1106100283/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-2003387-1001607?v=glance&s=books&n=507846


Diet for a New America: How Your Food Choices Affect Your Health, Happiness and the Future of Life on Earth
by John Robbins "YOU WILL NOT find very many monuments to dogs in this world..."

Product Description:
From John Robbins, a new edition of the classic that awakened the conscience of a nation. Since the 1987 publication of Diet for a New America, beef consumption in the United States has fallen a remarkable 19%. While many forces are contributing to this dramatic shift in our habits, Diet for a New America is considered to be one of the most important. Diet for a New America is a startling examination of the food we currently buy and eat in the United States, and the astounding moral, economic, and emotional price we pay for it.

In Section I, John Robbins takes an extraordinary look at our dependence on animals for food and the inhumane conditions under which these animals are raised. It becomes clear that the price we pay for our eating habits is measured in the suffering of animals, a suffering so extreme and needless that it disrupts our very place in the web of life.

Section II challenges the belief that consuming meat is a requirement for health by pointing our the vastly increased rate of disease caused by pesticides, hormones, additives, and other chemicals now a routine part of our food production. The author shows us that the high health risk is unnecessary, and that the production, preparation, and consumption of food can once again be a healthy process.

In Section III, Robbins looks at the global implications of a meat-based diet and concludes that the consumption of the resources necessary to produce meat is a major factor in our ecological crisis.

Diet for a New America is the single most eloquent argument for a vegetarian lifestyle ever published. Eloquently, evocatively, and entertainingly written, it is a cant put down book guaranteed to amaze, infuriate, but ultimately educate and empower the reader. A pivotal book nominated for the Pulitzer Prize for Non-Fiction in 1987.:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov 03rd 2024, 08:20 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC