IRAN: here we go again

[welshTerrier2]

will the Democratic Party stand up and object to this ???? or are we going to keep building our macho credentials ???? this conduct is despicable and it must be stopped NOW ...

source: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=1&u=/nm/20050116/pl_nm/iran_usa_newyorker_dc

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has been conducting secret reconnaissance missions inside Iran to help identify potential nuclear, chemical and missile targets, The New Yorker magazine reported Sunday.

The article, by award-winning reporter Seymour Hersh, said the secret missions have been going on at least since last summer with the goal of identifying target information for three dozen or more suspected sites.

Hersh quotes one government consultant with close ties to the Pentagon as saying, "The civilians in the Pentagon want to go into Iran and destroy as much of the military infrastructure as possible."

One former high-level intelligence official told The New Yorker, "This is a war against terrorism, and Iraq is just one campaign. The Bush administration is looking at this as a huge war zone. Next, we're going to have the Iranian campaign."

more ........

[mhr]

1. And As Bush Said. The Election Validated His Iraq Policy

He thinks he has a green light for more.

It can be stopped if the following can be proven as fact. From a "Deep Throat" inside the WH:

".... No one will talk about the volume and apparent seriousness of these ongoing threats and neither will they talk about the ACTUAL DEATH TOLLS IN IRAQ! You have been posting only the official figures which are not accurate. These OFFICIAL figures indicate about 1,400 are dead and perhaps 4,000 wounded. Actually, and I have seen the figures from the Pentagon, over 8,000 are dead and over 15,000 are wounded, some maimed for life…blind, missing legs and arms or with the prospect of spending the rest of their young lives confined to a wheelchair in a Vets hospital with a permanent piss bag tied to a leg. This is the greatest secret and holds the greatest fear for the Bush people. ..."

http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1314.htm

[mojavekid]

4. What an article...

I have never read TBR News, whats the 411 on this "source" in the Administration they quote?

[mhr]

8. If One Browses The Archives - The Source Reports Every Week

I remember last year reading a brief description of the source as someone working inside the WH that has enough access to witness the personel and much of the policy making in action.

This could be a political appointee, a career civil servant or even a military officer.

[mojavekid]

24. Thanks mhr!

I have bookmarked the site and will do some reading.

[TankLV]

17. Actually, multiple times 100 for the wounded.

that's over 100 thousand wounded!

I heard that on a couple MSM programs.

Do we have that many over there?

[Wright Patman]

2. The U.S. government

can now be viewed as an alien force acting on behalf of some undefined interest against the will and best interests of the American citizenry.

Well, maybe half the voters who turned out indicated they were for making the natural resource-rich areas of the planet a permanent war zone. It probably is "terrorizing" them to think they will have to pay $60 every time they fill up their SUVs from now on.

They will eventually realize how misguided a decision that was, but their country will be in ruins, economically if not physically, before too much more of this.

[Trajan]

3. They CANT DO IT ! ...

They DONT have the personnel or mechanicals to pull this off ...

WTF is wrong with these people ? .... sheeeesh ....

They cannot logistically manage these two campaigns : two 'theaters' would draw in FOUR TIMES the number of 'patriotic' muslims .... Such an attck would further engender hatred amongst those iranian moderates who now LIKE the US .....

It would prop up the theocratic regime by popular acclaim ...

It would energize the iranian military, which has NOT been hamstrung by UN sanctions for over a decade ...

The 'civilian minds' at the Pentagon ..... what a misnomer THAT is ...

[FloridaPat]

5. All they need to do is bomb everything and then pull-out of Iraq like

everyone wants - right into Iran. No problem.

[Trajan]

6. Even the conservatives would be appalled ....

There is NO WAY that McCain, Hegel, Lugar or Roberts would agree to this .....

And just pulling out of Iraq means 'we lost' ...

NO fuckin way .... they wont do it ...

[welshTerrier2]

9. "pulling out of Iraq means 'we lost'"

actually, it means whatever we're told it means ...

and we'll be told how bush "took out" Saddam ... we'll be told how bush achieved the stated goal of elections ... and we'll be told how our brave men and women in uniform did all they possibly could to help train the Iraqis to be able to secure their own country ...

we'll be told there have to be limits to how much the U.S. can do ... we bent over backwards to help Iraq ... now they have to take on the responsibility to govern themselves ...

the American people do NOT want to remain in Iraq ... who's going to challenge the soon-to-come propaganda campaign? are the Democrats going to start jumping up and down arguing that we should have stayed there?

the media will provide an endless stream of our war heroes returning with bush greeting them as they land back on good old American soil ... there will be pretty wives and tearful children as daddies, and mommies, in their nicely cleaned and pressed uniforms, are re-united ...

yes, the pullout is the final admission that the policy was insane in the first place and never had a chance of succeeding ... but it just doesn't matter ... we Americans can only tolerate happy endings ... and so it will be ...

[Stop_the_War]

7. I hate Bush

Now that the U.S. has created a bloodbath in Iraq, the bloodthirst of Bush II is still not satisfied. Now he wants Iran and Syria. How much will happen before the Democratic Party speaks out against the wars for oil? I've seen some minimal resistance but it is not enough. We should NOT be going more to the right to please the Republicans in places like Kansas. We should stay to our principles and not become like them.

[Ironpost]

15. Welcome to DU

What a killer first post. "I hate bush"

[welshTerrier2]

16. great first post !!!

not bad for a rookie ...

you highlighted the exact point i was trying to make ... the insanity of bush's perpetual war is half the story; the other half is whether an opposition party will "show up" this time ...

my .sig line says it all ...

[newyawker99]

25. Hi Stop_the_War!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[poe]

10. iran is a threat to the US because....

they have the nerve to be signing trade agreements with india and china for liquefied natural gas. iran has perhaps the largest LNG reserves in the world. in addition to this, iran will be joining russia in 2005 with a different method of trading their oil on the world market. rather than using petrodollars they will go through a boursing system which essentially means the oil will be pegged to the euro. this makes sense if you are wanting more for your commodity as the euro is much stronger.
of course we know that that oil rightly belongs to halliburton, shell etc. so the thugs need to go in and break a few thumbs and then give them a leader they get to elect. democracy, makes ya' feel fuzzy all over.
for more info go to the invaluable www.energybulletin.net

[nickshepDEM]

11. The US cannot and will not INVADE Iran.

Where will we get the troops? Please dont say a draft because it will never be accepted by the American people. Bush and CO may want one or need one but they arent going to get one. In order to succesfulyl invade Iran we would need double or triple the amount used in Iraq. I do however agree their may be multiple airstrike conducted against Iran and their nuclear development sites.

[OutsourceBush]

12. Bush: Weapon of Mass Draft!

hope them pubbies don't mind sacrificing a few generations to Jesus Bush's war machine.

[brainwashed]

13. Michael Moore's prophecy

At the very end of "Fahrenheit 911", Michael Moore said "The war is not to be won; it is to be continued".

[spanone]

14. I say he'll pull out of Iraq cause they're a democracy & head for Iran.

Watch'em.

[justgamma]

18. Don't forget Syria,

That was in the PNAC plans too.

[femme.democratique]

22. They won't pull out of Iraq they need to build bases there...

...to provide a management nexus for the invasions of Iran and Syria. They chose Iraq first because they felt they would have the most support for Iraq to get the ball rolling. Our troops won't be leaving anytime soon.

[madrchsod]

19. if this happens

the world will collaspe our economy. india-china has multi billion gas and oil deals in the works with iran and they will not stand by and watch their energy sources disrupted

[Mist]

20. I guess they're crazy enough to try it

After all, they'd try anything to get "our" oil and gas out from under other countries. But airstrikes without invasion seems untenable, yet where are the troops to come from? If they move troops from Iraq to Iran, the rear is left unguarded. That would seem to indicate a draft. Seems like a perfect storm of lunacy is coming...

[mhr]

21. Converting The Gap To The Core Explains Current US Foreign Policy

There is a developing policy strategy that defines the use of our military in terms of defending and extending globalization.

This doctrine states that the reason the US military budget is so large is because the globalized countries are willing to subsidize the US military by buying our debt, provided we protect the global economy and attendant corporations.

Further this doctrine defines the globalized world as the "Core" and the non-globalized world as the "Gap". The goal of global economic policy is to align third-world countries from the Gap with the Core.

As a means of last resort, the US military is the last line of defense to enforce this transformation.

The invasion and occupation of Iraq is now being justified within this framework. As an example of the importance that this rational is given inside the beltway, the Air Force is requiring every new Flag Officer to be briefed on this policy paradigm.

More about this policy can be found here:

rtsp://cspanrm.fplive.net/cspan/project/ter/ter122004_barnett.rm

http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/index.htm

[Strelnikov_]

23. Occupation Of Iran's Oil Fields, Conveniently Located Along Iraq's Border

There is no way Iraq can be brought to heel without 500,000 troops on the ground, and there is no way we can provide this many troops without a draft.

And they will need an attack by a State actor to justify a draft. Another terror attack on U.S. soil would not provide the justification, and would be probably be seen as a failing, particularly after the campaign statements that Our Leader would keep the security Mom’s safe.

Here's the way it will play out.

Step 1) 'Israel' strikes Iran's 'nuk-ler' infrastructure.

Step 2) Iran lash's out at US forces in gulf region. Look for the Kitty Hawk and John F. Kennedy steaming up and down the coast of Iran supporting operations, in harm's way.

Step 3) The Emperor Chimp goes in front of Congress, says that we are victims of an unprovoked attack, like Pearl Harbor, calls for a draft to raise sufficient military strength to deal with the 'terraist' threat from Iran.

Step 4) Occupy SE corner of Iran, flatlands (tank country) where oil is. Brutally suppress any remaining opposition in Iraq with our new draftee legions to liberate them from the oppressive burden of oil wealth.

Step 5) Give massive contracts to Halliburton and other buddies to sell off the Iranian oil as 'reparations' for their dastardly attack.

Step 6a) The Oligarchs get rich.

Step 6b) The rest of us go broke or die trying to push through the Zagros mountains and occupy Iran. Of course, this part of the substep is not that important ('Bring em On').

War for profit and control of the masses, that is the face of the new GOP.

Ever wonder what Israel needs long range F-15's and 5000 (just delivered) bunker buster bombs for? Bombing Gaza?