Rumsfeld orders soldiers' puppy killed

[orthogonal]

PFC Connor, a Marine mascot previously mentioned in this post, was hunted down and killed just 24 hours before his planned departure from Iraq.

more: http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/38718

(And consider emailing this link to your dog-loving Republican friends.)

[TwentyFive]

1. What? Didn't Rummy want to torture it first?

He must be getting soft in his second term.

[Pam-Moby]

2. Rumsfeld is a sicko

Kill, Kill, Kill that is all this man does. He is a very hard man. Poor puppy.

[progressor]

70. indeed

That story ruined my night at work. Good thing only three hours left.

[newyawker99]

75. Hi progressor!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Occulus]

3. sick, and go there and read the comments

they're not too happy about this, either...

[Stephanie]

4. that's so Apocalypse Now

[Ironpost]

5. What a "sick puppy" this fella' is

we had a pet mascot in viet-namn his name was fibber.

[Ezlivin]

6. The puppy made several sudden moves and was on a No-Fly list

Other rumors have it that it never was properly paper-trained and that is a hanging offense in the States.

[Midlodemocrat]

10. I had heard that those puppies hate our freedom.

:shrug:

[Ezlivin]

21. And they didn't support our troops, either

[Worst Username Ever]

7. Puppy pictures

[chefgirl]

12. AWWWW....

OMG.. Those pictures are heartbreaking. :cry:

What kind of sick bastard is this guy??

-chef-

[sakabatou]

29. I don't know

And what was the reason for the death of the puppy? God GOD! Rumsfeld IS an asshole.

[smirkymonkey]

37. How could ANYBODY harm such a sweet little animal?

What a sick fuck he is!

Poor little pup :cry:

[MercutioATC]

8. I wonder if the order had to do with the packs of feral dogs

that have been running around eating corpses?

I agree that animals that had been adopted by soldiers should have been exempt, but that WOULD be a justification for a "kill all dogs" order.

[ET Awful]

11. Of course, allowing people to bury the corpses might prevent such

things from happening.

[MercutioATC]

13. Gee, but then we couldn't kill dogs.....

Seriously, I was just wondering if, perhaps, this was an example of a well-intentioned order having unintended results.

[ET Awful]

9. The poor thing :(

This is just disgusting :(

Not just the death of the poor dog, but imagine the effect on the soldiers who'd been caring the pup and had grown to love her :(.

I'm nauseated.

[Submariner]

14. Military kills dogs

When my dad was returning home from WWII (on the Queen Mary or Queen Elizabeth converted to troop carriers) a few guys smuggled their military messenger dogs onto the ship to take home. When the Army commanders got wind of it, they had all the dogs (15) thrown over the side into the mid-Atlantic ocean. My father said it was one of the saddest scenes he ever witnessed watching all those dogs paddling around the ocean trying to follow the ship leaving them in the wake.

There are truly some insensitive pieces of crap sharing the planet with us.

[CrispyQ]

22. OMG! That made me cry!

How incredibly inhumane. I would have been so filled with hate for the ones who issued that command, I don't know if I could have even been civil to them afterwards. I love dogs so much, I think I could easily kill people who harm dogs.

[Tinoire]

25. Speechless. Heart-breaking. n/t

[Joe Chi Minh]

31. I saw a cable programme

on a similar theme concerning the dogs that accompanied the grunts on patrols, to sense dangers, such as ambushes, trip-wires, etc. Some, of course, were killed, some very badly injured; all had a price on their head, placed by the Viet Cong leaders, as they were so effective.

Many, if not all, had been pets belonging to American families and doubtless individuals too, but offered to the military at their request. Obviously, they needed to have certain characteristics. A Pekinese wasn't going to be much cop.

Naturally, the soldiers loved them like their best buddies, just as the dogs did them. Unbelievably, some psycho in the administration decreed that that they had to be left behind. Soldiers interviewed in America years later, were close to tears telling their story. It left me fuming and raging that such low-lifes could such power. But of course, it's more like the rule than the exception.

Killing the dogs they had personally trained, was one of the tests Gestapo recruits to the Gestapo had to pass to prove their ruthlessness had to pass, I believe. Possibly, a test order by the idiot (Schickelgruber), himself.

[lectrobyte]

32. That's pretty fucked up. I'd have to have waited until the dish was

cold, no doubt, but payback would be a bitch.

[phylny]

40. Oh, God - my stomach just lurched. n/t

[misanthrope]

49. And people wonder why...

...I so willingly describe myself as misanthropic. Humanity is generally a waste of oxygen and protein.

[driver8]

62. I tell my wife I am a misanthrope...

...and now I know why.

What a fucking piece of shit Rumsfeld is.

[misanthrope]

58. I truly wish...

...I had never read this post.

This has opened a pit inside of me that I doubt can ever be filled, closed or healed. Just when I think my hatred of my species can't sink any lower, something like this comes along and proves me wrong.

Why didn't your father do something? Why did they stand there and let it happen? Have they no fucking conscience or souls? There were more enlisted men on that ship than officers. All it would have taken was a backbone. After all, those dogs would have gladly given their lives for the people on board. Too bad none of the humans proved themselves worthy of such loyalty.

No disaster that endangers mankind can come too soon for my tastes.

[driver8]

61. Oh man...that makes me really sad...

Those poor dogs...

If he wanted to get rid of the dogs, couldn't they have at least shot them before throwing them overboard? Why make them suffer in the middle of the ocean?

That makes me very sad and a little sick to my stomach...poor pooches.

[Matilda]

69. That's horrible!

Pity the men couldn't arrange for the commanders to "fall" over
the side.

[FizzFuzz]

72. Why??? WHY? What is the point of such pointless cruelty?

ah, god, I can't see to type. I'm crying too hard. Wish I didn't see this poist.

:cry:

:cry:

:cry:


ahhh god ..... god this is the kind of thing that makes me hate people.

[wicket]

15. I hate Rumsfeld so much!!!!

:grr: :grr: :grr:

[Beware the Beast Man]

16. I just happened upon this thread,

and before I can make an official knee-jerk reaction, does someone have a link to where Rumsfeld stated that dog-killing is an official policy? I wouldn't put it past the bugger, but I would just like to know. Thanks.

[ET Awful]

20. Closest I've found so far is an order from a base commander to do it

nothing from Rummy himself.

[negativenihil]

17. what the...

ugh. this is really lame :(

[Be Brave]

18. Probably one of the things that keeps those soldiers sane over there,

the hope of saving a life instead of taking it. And the idiot deprives them of it. It's outrageous.

[Solon]

19. If I was a Marine in that unit...

I would have been court martialed for shooting the bastard who tried to kill the dog, and it would have been worth it to, this pisses me off.

[ThorsHammer]

36. Solon, if I was on the jury, you would be acquitted

[Solon]

44. Thanks for the support, not a Marine, but my best buddy was one...

:hi:

[DS1]

51. If I were a Marine in that unit, I would've felt sorry for the guy that

had to pull the trigger :shrug:

[Beware the Beast Man]

23. What is the official policy, and do you have a link

to Rumsfeld's alleged order? I'm not trying to be facetious, I need a little more than somebody's weblog to believe that this is an official policy ordered by Rumsfeld himself.

[orthogonal]

26. I don't

I need a little more than somebody's weblog to believe that this is an official policy ordered by Rumsfeld himself.

Actually, I don't know that Rummy ordered it himself; I was using "Rumsfeld" as a synecdoche for the Defense Department as a whole.

As far the story coming first-hand from a solder's blog, rather from an "approved" mainstream media report, well, to paraphrase Secretary Rumsfeld, :

'You tell the story with the sources you have, not the sources you want.'

[Beware the Beast Man]

27. Then it's not mandated by Rumsfeld.

I don't mean to be overly critical, but you should know the sort of knee-jerk reactions such a post could evoke. This just makes us look like bigger fools when our source for linking the DOD to a mass dog euthanasia policy is one couple's weblog. Mainstream media or not, one source does not a policy make.

[hoboken123]

28. "This just makes us look like bigger fools"

Yes, linking to someone's report from Iraq and discussing it makes us look like, not just fools, but even bigger fools.

Thank you for your helpful and pleasant comments.

[Joe Chi Minh]

33. Beware the Beast Man always knew

Rumsfeldt had redeeming features, didn't you BBM. That's why he's being snippy. Not like you nasty bloggers!

Rumsfeldt would have made a great subject for an Ali G interview, wouldn't he.

[Beware the Beast Man]

41. I never implied that he had "redeeming features."

All I am implying is that the subject of the OP is misleading; that the original blog entry doesn't once mention that Rumsfeld masterminded this cruel act. There is nothing in the journal entry linking to any source (be it mainstream or otherwise) that even mentions such a mandate. It's false information such as this that leads such "acceptable" sources as the NY Times to broadstroke DU as a bunch of kooks with false information.

[Joe Chi Minh]

48. I take your point,

BTB, and I think it better had the connection not been made, but this is one thread I think they would not want to make an issue of. Rumsfeldt's not expressed any compunction about Abu Graib, just that it came to light and much has been made of it.

Now, if Duers came up with such stuff as a prosaic and down-to-earth, neocon presidential candidate claiming he'd invented the Internet, I could understand your trepidation a little better. They are simply in no position to call Democrats cooky, whatever the excesses of occasional, individual Democratic posters?

[orthogonal]

55. Whether Rummy ordered it DOES NOT MATTER

All I am implying is that the subject of the OP is misleading; that the original blog entry doesn't once mention that Rumsfeld masterminded this cruel act.

And Rumsfeld didn't stop it either. The issues been around for at least a month.

Rummy claims he supports our troops (and the Bush Administration and its surrogates love to say that Democrats and leftists don't).

But Rummy, despite all his "support", can't figure out that the troops need better armor until a Sargeant asks him about it directly; and Rummy, who you'd think would care about keeping up the morale of the troops he's sent to Iraq, either doesn't hear or doesn't care when our fighting men and women plead to keep their mascots.

It doesn't matter whether Rummy ordered mascot killing or not: Rummy's the man in charge, the guy with the big office and the fancy title, and it's ultimately his responsibility. It happened on Rummy's watch.

All I'm asking for is an accountability moment.

[Gay Ranger]

45. Base Commanders...

Brigade Commander and such have quite a bit of power as to how they run their ship. They can institute a lot of policies by decree and on their own initiative. Not every policy has to be handed down from Rummy Boy. I have a friend I served with in Iraq and his unit has a couple of dogs that they adopted from the soldiers that had to leave them behind. The only policy their commander instituted was that they could not get anymore dogs except the two they already have.

[newportdadde]

24. Man is that sad.

Also sad is the story above about the WW2 messenger dogs. I have a coffee table book which is about pilots in England and this one particular squadron had a mascott pit bull whom one of the pilots drugged so he would sleep then put him in a duffle bag for the voyage home.

[Greylyn58]

30. I'm totally stunned

and don't know exactly what to say. It's not enough that we are killing men, women and children who haven't harmed us in any way...now we are killing defenseless puppies.

Lord, God!! How low are we gonna go?

:grr:

[Fleshdancer]

34. Rumsfeld "liberated" the puppy. Get it right people!

poor cute thing. :(

[OneBlueSky]

35. I despise these people S-O--O-O-O-O much! . . .

as a dog lover, this just absolutely breaks my heart . . . someone should hunt down the people behind this policy and euthenize them . . . I mean it . . . what a bunch of sick, inhuman, disgusting pieces of shit these people are . . . fuck 'em all! . . .

[earth mom]

38. Any other news links on this story?

I'd like to post it on another board, but it needs to be from a different kind of source. TIA!

[truth2power]

39. Rumsfeld

probably whackin' off just thinkin' about it. I really, really hate that POS.

[hollowdweller]

42. This should be on Nat'l News. Part of Bush's Culture of Life

[merh]

43. Soldiers adopt puppies all the time, it has gone on for years

in all wars.




Rumsfield or who ever ordered this is a sick f*ck!
Have I said how much I hate these :puke:s?

:mad: :mad:

[katinmn]

46. Boy, this sucks. n/t

[KnowerOfLogic]

47. And so America's honor and integrity grow... not. nt

[KamaAina]

50. Rumsfeld/Frist '08!

(woof woof meow meow)

[doodadem]

52. On a leash

Apparently the folks in charge there only like their human prisoners on leashes.....

[Rosco T.]

53. I hope someone sends this to Malloy.. he's go absolutely ballistic... n/t

[WindRavenX]

54. WHY???

Dear god, why??? :cry: :cry:

[Blue Diadem]

56. That pup was going to be transported for shipping home

the next day when it was euthanized.

http://www.militarymascots.netfirms.com/mascots.html

[driver8]

64. I was just looking at the website...

I was very sad that the poor little pup was euthanized...

But, I was also happy to see all of the dogs and cats that made it to the States safe and sound! I can only imagine what these pets must have meant to the soldiers over there.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

57. And sad to say, this story has more potential for converting

Republicans than any story about dead Iraqi children.

It reminds me of a Doonesbury cartoon that appeared during the Vietnam War.

B.D. was supporting the war, and Boopsie was reading a newspaper account of a bombing raid on Hanoi which hit a residential area and a hatchery, killing some number of people and 5,000 baby ducks.

Boopsie wails, "Baby ducks!?"

[raggedcompany]

59. Sad. n/t

[Valerie5555]

60. Wonder if anyone thinks his payback who may be a dare I say it "bitch" or

"queen" who may whelp or kindle a lot of puppies or kittens, is to fall victim to a certain kind of "neurological tsunami" if you knew what I meant, and end up unable to make any more war threats in either speech or writing.

[njdemocrat106]

63. Rumsfeld is lower than dirt

When that piece of shit has no qualms about killing a puppy, you know he wouldn't hesitate to kill a human if he thought the situation warranted it. Donald Rumsfeld, you are scum, and I HATE YOU!

[rumpel]

65. send this to Kerry, he send a petition to hold Rumsfeld accountable today

I have already signed and put comments.

http://www.johnkerry.com/replacerumsfeld

[walldude]

66. JUst another way to support the troops... n/t

[RebelOne]

67. I have sent this to animal rescue and animal rights groups.

I can guarantee there will be an outcry about it.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

68. Through blurred eyes...

Me too. :cry:

This is just one more hideous action I can't begin to understand. I am so ashamed to be an American. :cry:

[xchrom]

71. the puppy had wmd's

ooops no he didn't.
well, then he had to be liberated.
ooops, no he didn't.
well, then he was an islamofascist.
oops, no he wasn't.

ok, ok well he was some kind of threat!
ooops, no he wan't.

[Christian dem]

73. Of all the insensitive....

My day is ruined. :puke:

[blindpig]

74. one more betrayal of trust n/t

[opihimoimoi]

76. Compassionate Conservative.??...................NAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

They so afraid of the Iraqis....they don't wanna bring one dog here to the States???? What kinda message to the Iraqis is that???