Is it now safe to say emphatically that THERE ARE NO WMD'S!

[Beetwasher]

You'd think if they were going to plant them and spring them on us with Kay's report that the groundwork would have been laid last night in the speech. Bush hardly mentioned them and only in the past tense. I think it's pretty safe to say we were right all along and there are no surprises coming. What do you think?

[gratuitous]

1. Oh, don't say that, Beetwasher!

Don't criticize our popular wartime president (TM), because any day now, those ol' weapons just might be found, and then we'll look really foolish, and Lil George will triumph again. Don't criticize him, instead, let's close our eyes real tight, cross our fingers, and hope and wish and pray that wonderful Democrats like Joe Biden or Zell Miller will step up and save us from further depradations.

{Blink} Nope, if anything, that argument looks even stupider than it did a couple of months ago. And it looked damned stupid then.

[Brian Sweat]

2. What are you talking about?

Bush never claimed that Iraq had WMD. This war was never about WMD. It is about removing an evil-doer from power and freeing the Iraqi people.

</Freeper Mode>

[Aristus]

3. Brian, if you're going into freeper mode, remember:

It's 'Eye-racki'!

And don't spell things correctly, or you won't be a convincing freeper. Just FYI. :-)

[RobinA]

14. What Do YOU Mean?

This war was never about WMD OR freeing the Iraqi people, it was about terrorism. Don't you pay attention?

[Drifter]

4. The administration

has been lowering the bar since we have had unfettered access to all of Iraq, and they still can't make it over.

Iraq has WMD (deployable within 45 minutes)
Iraq had WMD
Iraq has a WMD program
Iraq had a WMD program
Iraq has WMD program capability
Iraq had WMD program capability

I think it is pretty safe to say that there are NOT (nor has there ever been) WMDs.

Imagine if Clinton tried to push this crap onto the American People.

Cheers
Drifter

[paulsbc]

5. Clinton did push this crap

do you forget so easily?

Bush went to war for no reason. Clinton bombed them for no reason. The entire sanctions against Iraq were for no reason. Iraq has been a cluster fuck for 12 years now...

[gratuitous]

16. Oh, for those days

As I recall, Smirky did a lot of sneering about launching a million dollar missile just to hit a camel in the butt. What I wouldn't give for a return of those days. Hundreds of American military personnel weren't dying; thousands of them weren't coming home minus a few body parts; tens of thousands of non-combatants weren't being killed, maimed or impoverished; hundreds of billions of dollars were still in the U.S. Treasury instead of being stuffed into the pockets of already overrich Republican donors.

Tell me again about the equivalency between what Clinton did and what Bush is doing? Please be specific, because otherwise your post doesn't make much sense.

[paulsbc]

17. the statement

as that Clinton didn't push this crap. He certainly did. He didn't take the stupid steps Bush did, but he used the same rhetoric for his own goals and continued the sanctions and actions against Iraq.

Bush has taken it to an entirely new level, but to say Clinton didn't do anything wrong w.r.t. Iraq is flat out incorrect.

[gratuitous]

18. Then you misread the original post entirely

Just because it didn't recite the litany of Clinton's errors or actions is hardly cause to say "Clinton did it, too!" Because there is no equivalency, as you assert, between what Clinton did and what Bush is doing, nor is there any comparison to how the media treated Clinton and the way they're treating Bush.

Unless there's a war that Clinton pursued that wasn't reported, or there's some shadow popular media that you can cite that's going after Bush the way the media went after Clinton, your allegations of equivalencies don't quite cut it.

[RobertSeattle]

12. Excellent summary

Reminds me of the RW doctine chnanes on Global Warming:

1. Global Warming Doesn't Exist
2. Global Warming exists, but doesn't matter
3. Global Warming exists, might matter, but isnt't caused by Human Activity
4. Global Warming exists, might matter, is probably caused by Human Activity
5. Global Warming exists, matters, hey how can I make a buck on this?

[jayfish]

13. You Forgot One.

Iraq had scientists who could help to develop a WMD program capability

It just makes yer eyes glaze over.

Jay

[ewagner]

20. Or the latest

Iraq had scientist who could have given them WMD capability.

[Jacobin]

6. but but but

They had tons and tons of Programs loaded onto missiles ready to strike within 45 minutes!

Ever get hit by a Program? My ex-wife swatted me on the head with a Program during a play once and it really smarted!

:-)

[leftofthedial]

7. it was safe to say that a year ago.

I don't think even they could plant them now and spin it successfully.

[Cocoa]

8. but I heard they found some "scientists"

What was Iraq doing with scientists? :scared:

[qb]

9. The smoking gun

Here is the scenario that will completely vindicate Bush and the neocons: Geraldo will trudge through the dungeons of one of Saddam's palaces with cameras in tow to reveal... drum roll please... Saddam's personal copy of "The Anarchist's Cookbook" (complete with an embossed "From the Library of..." sticker inside the cover).

Cue the gasps from FAUX anchors.

[spanone]

10. David Kay is a WMD zealot

I would not be surprised if Kay isn't over there concocting a batch right this minute. Bush lied again last night when he said Iraq ignored UN resolutions for 12 years. It was only in the last four years that inspectors were not in Iraq. Kay will say whatever Bush wants him to.

[strauss_sucks]

11. Ahh, god, I hate Programs

"Well, you know, you'll just be sitting there, minding your own business, and they'll come, marching in and crawl up your leg and start biting the inside of your ass. And you'll be all like, HEY, get out of my ass you stupid programs!"

[Bandit]

15. But they found Castor Beans

What more could you ask for? Castor beans used in the making of brake fluid but also could possibly be used to make Sarin Gas. Hey they had them we found them case closed.

[John_H]

19. Not until Kay issues his "we found 'em...sort of" report.

n/t

[catmandu57]

21. I had an argument about wmds before

this shit started, a kid working at one of our bank branchs sees my no war button and starts in about how Iraq has wmds, not only did they have wmds, but they could deploy them immediately.
I've got to admit to being a little emotional that they didn't have wmds, now I wonder how this one feels about being lied to.
We've more or less owned this quagmire since april, we're the biggest badasses there, surely we could find wmds if they were there to be found.