Clark on Radio NOW 11:09

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http://www.theconnection.org/shows/2003/09/20030908_b_main.asp

[TacticalPeek]

1. Gist?

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3. He is talking about vision

I think he is going to run. "It's a good time for the US to have people in charge that understand ordinary people, the country, and it's principles that are willing to work hard. Doesn't matter if it is a senator, governor or general.

Happy to be a civilian and believes in civilian supremacy."

[RichV]

2. Thanks!

Thanks for the heads up. Just turned it on. :-)

[RichV]

4. Ha!

He commented on how Hannity kept calling him "Mister" Clark on Fox last night to marginalize his military record. We noticed that too. Too funny.

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6. I kinda noticed but didn't put it together.

That must be a tactic. Funny

[Brian Sweat]

8. Hannity is a propagandist POS like all the other GOP talking heads.

[LEW]

5. Well worth the listen

He sounds great - good good points - loved the point he has made, that there is danger of a one party government, and that some politicians are standing by the party instead of doing what is good for the country. There are factions saying that the other party is not patriotic nor virtuous and that we are the only party on that side. Clark says there are definatly Democratics as or more patriotic and religious as the other party and this is the wrong view.

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7. He's taking calls. n/t

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9. Caller says that candidates all sound like Dean.

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10. Deciding to run or not run. Nopt running for VP.

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11. Dean is interesting...

First to call it like it was in Iraq. Like Kerry and Gephardt has a good record.

[LEW]

12. caller asked Clark to run as vice with Dean

Clark saying that's not the decision - the decision is to run or not to run and let the rest take care of itself after that...

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13. If someone asks you to server your country...

It is hard to say no. He has always been a commander. General is an executive position. Partly why he might not run for VP.

[barbaraann]

34. I think the next Dem VP needs to be a commander in a war

against the BFEE. We simply must root every last one of those robber barons out or they will just work behind the scenes to accomplish their evil (and sick) schemes.

[RichV]

14. Must see Iraq through

Must support UN leadership role in politcal & economic development of Iraq. Says W too focused on states but threat of terrorism not necessarily state-sponsored.

(Similar to Bob Graham argument)

[graham67]

15. Says we must use the UN

for what they're good for...legitimacy. Take US forces off the blame line...diffuse hostility.

[RichV]

16. Caller asking if UN ineffective b/c couldn't control Saddam

Clark saying UN not military org. but is org. of legitimacy that allows Iraq to participate in decision process. Says money will come from the US. Says US will also do most of fighting but UN must be used for what it's good for (peacekeeping, legitimacy, humanitarian efforts).

[paulsbc]

17. and how is this different

than what Bush is pushing for now? nothing that I see...

[graham67]

21. Come on....

Bush is trying to bully the UN. Clark wants positive inducements, hand over some of the political power....

[paulsbc]

23. why

not just hand over political power to the Iraqis and get out? I hate this "stay there and get more of our kids killed".

[Kahuna]

32. We broke it and we have to fix it.

That's just the way it is. We have to deal with what the situation is right now. Not what it should have been.

[paulsbc]

35. saddam is gone?

is he not? isn't the country free of Saddam and his people? install the governing council as the legitimate ruling council, have them promise elections, get the UN to oversee the political process, and get out.

why should we build schools, bridges, roads, train their army, police, fire, etc., etc.?

we freed them, let them pick up the pieces and move on, get our kids home and allow the international community to oversee the political process, and allow the Iraqis to determine their own future..

[Donna Zen]

65. Why not get out?

One of the reasons among a million, I felt we needed to stay out of Iraq was because, like Yogoslavia and the death of Tito, the removal of Saddam would create a situation ripe for a long, bloody civil war. Clark believed that with 40,000 US troops on Saddam's boarders, the inspectors plus their guards in country, and (important point here) NGO's simultaneously working to help repair the damage caused by the sanctions, Saddam would have been defanged while the seeds of a new government were being sown by the UN groups. Worth a try. That said, under the treaty we signed with the UN, we are responsible for Iraq because we are the occupying force. Leaving will mean civil war, ethnic cleansing and another treaty broken.

I agree with this last point because I do not wish more misery for Iraq. The Bushco should be in jail every remaining minute of their useless lives.

[eleny]

68. Donna, was it just Tito's death....

that created the civil war? Or was it to a greater extent Poppy Bush's administration pressuring Congress into passing the 1991 Foreign Operations Appropriations Act that facilitated the horrors? Forcing Yugoslavia to break up into separate republics (in order to qualify for financial help from the U.S.) could have allowed the ethnic enmities to spark. Maybe the neocons were already working back then to divide and conquer. Their philosophy is that no industrial nations should ever challenge U.S. leadership or have any regional role. This is the Wolfowitz/Libby thinking even prior to the PNAC. Could Yugoslavia's budding success appeared to challenge us in any way? Why else act to divide that nation?

I'm not for bringing back Saddham. I'm about tyring to catch up and learn as much as I can to make an informed decision. I brought up the issue of Clark and Yugoslavia in another thread. Not to rehash the rehash of his role at the end of the 90s. But rather to learn how Clark feels about our intervening in the socialist government of Yugoslavia in the first place. To me, this will tell me more about him than to hear how he feels about Bush and Iraq for the umpteenth time.

In other words, I'm ready for more in depth information about Clark. Was he supportive of the first Bush administration's actions or was Yugoslavia just like Iraq is now - we're in there now, so let's do what we have to do to clean it up. I want to know if he would have left Yugoslavia to it's own development back in the late '80s and throughout the '90s. To me, that's more important than how a general might feel about mopping up.

Btw, I'm a registered Dem.

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18. Use UN for what it's good for

Wrap our efforts in the mantle of the UN. Diffuse some of the pressure. UN was in Kosovo, East Timor, Bosnia.

[LEW]

19. Caller - How would you make the world safe

I would have followed a different track in the first place - but we are over there now. Need to stop just threatening and work on developing positive relations with other countries. We need to get Osama and if we were not in Iraq we would have the resources to get OBL. They have reports of where he is hiding.

Diffuse the hostility towards the US by using the UN to be the mantle of a strong power.

[RichV]

20. Re: Kosovo

Says was frustrated with Pentagon at the time b/c they resisted rqst for resources re: Kosovo and only wanted to focus on potential conflict with North Korea and Iraq. Says working with other countries does provide some difficulties but also many benefits.

[RichV]

22. Caller says not impressed w/ other 9 candidates

But is very, very excited about Gen. Clark. Says he's hearing Gen. Clark's discussion of Iraq as improvement over other candidates. Caller says foreign policy not only determining factor of his vote, but will be very important. Praises Clark for being able to see both sides of foreign policy issues as military and civilian in background.

Host says they're going into domestic issues. Sweet.

[RichV]

24. Discussing outsourcing

Says won't be solved by business cycle alone, must help small firms raise equity for hiring and survival.

[RichV]

28. Free Trade, employment, environment

Says need "fair trade" and not "free trade." Says important countries we trade with raise to good level of labor standards, etc.

Says a duty for govt to achieve full employment in US.

Says our constitutional govt. and our environment are the legacies we leave our children and future generations.

Good Lord, I hope somebody gets a transcript of this.

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25. Domestic issues

2 brothers and a newphew unemployed. Studies economics at oxford. Taught economics at West Point. Problem is exporting jobs. Companies outsourcing to other countries. Including IT services. Not cured by business cycle. Programs to help small firms hire american employees.

Free trade question... Fair trade not free trade. Must be willing to help employees in other countries achieve what american employees achieve. Free trade not free in terms of benifit to the economy. Need a support structure for americans to find work.

[RichV]

30. 800 423 8255

Call-in number for Clark.

[graham67]

26. Fair trade....

not free trade.

[Clark Can WIN]

27. Wahoooo! Fair trade not free trade

Talking about trading in a way that is benificial to the workers of other countries who do not enjoy our wage and safety protections and does not decimate the employment base here at home.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

58. FAIR TRADE!

Nice! That is a great position, IMO!

DTH

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29. Clark on Environment

Everyday we don't take care of the enviro is a day wasted. Need to enforce existing laws. Bush wants to replace laws with optional laws.

Restore clean water act. This admin is rolling back environmental policies.

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31. Best Clark interview I have heard.

They are covering so many issues.

[unfrigginreal]

33. I'll tell you, I think he may have waited too long.

I'm one of the Dean supporters that always said that I'd listen to Clark if he got into the race, but Dean has grown on me much more over time.

If Clark expects my support now, than he's really going to have to jump through some hoops...Dean is looking awfully strong at the moment.

[RichV]

36. Calling Bush unilateralist

Says admin still stuck in demeanor of nation directly after 9/11

Clark saying dislike against US govt overseas is embarassing and humiliating. US now seen as threatening abroad after past couple years. Says largely unjustified, but impression persists b/c of rhetoric and actions. What plays well in Texas doesn't play well abroad. Admin's responsibility to work with allies.

[RichV]

37. Caller asking about exit strategy

Clark says exit strategy to establish govt of Iraqis and domestic internal security but must also work with other states in region. Saying Bush admin stuck in mindset of wanting to overturn several Middle East regional governments before leaving region (Syria, Iran, Lebanon).

[tjdee]

57. Did someone say PNAC????

Overturning several governments?

That's awesome.

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38. America in today's world

Moved to more assertive and unilateral policy. Playing off of people’s fears after 9/11. This government is embarrassing and humiliating to people that travel over-seas.

Troops in Iraq are doing a good job. But there is no police, nosecurity except for Kurds.

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39. Caller: Bush has created perception that Muslim world is evil.

How will he improve US image. We must be judged by what we do. People want freedom. What we are is not a problem, it's what we have done. Need a peacefull modernization of Middle East Govt's.

[RichV]

40. Muslim caller

Muslim caller saying Bush portrays Muslim world as evil-doer and asking Clark how to repair that. Clark says US must work with allies and be "judged by who we are and what we do."

Cited Saudi as a terrorist-sponsoring state. Whoa. Wonder how that'll play out.

Says US must contribute to modernization and moderation in Middle East.

[ewagner]

41. Clark on the economy

Recognized that there is a structural problem which cannot be solved by the normal business cycle.

Recognized that even IT jobs are being outsourced. Says we need credits for job creation (my paraphrase)

Need fair trade as opposed to to free trade (I'm not sure what that means.....)

All-in-all....not bad, not bad at all.

on edit: sorry, missed some of the other posts...........

[RichV]

42. Caller says Bush appeals to testosterone and machismo

Caller wants Clark to run as viable alternative to Bush with national security credibility. Clark says not the case that GOP better in that area, that's only a GOP mantra.

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43. Democrats more internationalist party.

Neither party has a monopoly on strong leadership. We need to build allies and friends, not create enemies. That how we will go after terrorists.

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44. What makes Clark better than other candidates?

1. has experience.
2. Has made big and tough decisions.
3. Fights for what he believes in.

Good combination of skills in foreign policy and what affects people's every day lives.

It's up to the people to decide if he is better.

He is proud of soldiers and airmen out there.

[RichV]

45. Over

Damn. That was good.

Ended the show with an extra shout-out to the soldiers and airmen out there, mentioning one who called earlier (Andrew) by name. Damn good job.

[LEW]

47. Great Great Great

Clark definatly has what it takes to appeal to all sorts of voters....Excellent swing vote getter...

[HootieMcBoob]

46. Thanks

to everybody who posted info on the interview. It sounds like it was another great one for Clark. :toast:

[paulsbc]

48. only great if he runs

otherwise it was a waste of airtime that should have gone to a real candidate, IMO...

[Clark Can WIN]

50. He's running,

BANK on it :bounce:

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52. I second that. He's Running.

He sounded like a cadidate. He has his message set. He is not a shrill type of personality like Dean, Kucinich, Gep. Dean has runned off too much on the other candidates. You can tell the difference when you listen to Clark.

[Clark Can WIN]

49. Transcript anyone?

As soon as someone gets a transcript we must post this! This was the most impressive interview I have heard yet!

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51. It was amazing.

It was the most thorough interview yet. He did a terrific job. The field of 9 is going to have a lot of trouble with him. He knows the issues and can put them in a historical perspective. He has a vision and it is a tinge idealistic, but totally attainable.

:dem:

[Clark Can WIN]

53. Idealism backed by intelligence,

experience and tact! I've not heard any of the other candidates outline so clearly and thoroughly what is wrong, why it's wrong and what needs to be done to fix it.

[TacticalPeek]

54. Thanks all for a great rundown.

Shrub's ass is grass.

[joanski01]

55. I also want to thank you all

for this thread. It was great! Thanks loads.

[robbedvoter]

56. "What may sound good in Texas may not be well received in the world"

He has a way of delivering blows to W without saying his name, saying a bad word , appearing he's attacking or breaking a sweat. Like "Nice uniform"
This will surely jam the propaganda point: how dare you lower the debate/attack me/be mean" -

[Kahuna]

59. did he really say that?

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[RichV]

62. Yep.

Although paraphrased. See post #36 above.

I'd like a transcript of this one.

[Clark Can WIN]

64. Yep, he said it

He also said the image we were projecting had become embarrasing and humiliating to those who travel and live abroad.

[Julien Sorel]

60. It really was a strong interview.

He sounds like a candidate. He needs to get in the race and start double timing it, dangit.

[TacticalPeek]

61. 'Scoming . . .

Don't want Shrub to bottom too soon.

[RichV]

63. Can still listen

Show is archived at the site.

http://www.theconnection.org/shows/2003/09/20030908_b_main.asp

[kaitykaity]

66. This link seems to work on RealPlayer . . .

the other one goofed my computer up. :shrug:

http://realserver.bu.edu:8080/ramgen/w/b/wbur/connection/audio/2003/09/con_0908b.rm

[RichV]

67. OK

I used RealOne to listen. Hadn't tried the other formats. Good luck, everyone. :D