Exit Polls say Bush Won Fair & Square

[doodadem]

Check this out:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6840933/

[notadmblnd]

1. Just cause they say it

doesn't make it so.

[journalist3072]

2. How much did the Bush White House pay for that story? eom

[tinonedown]

3. Hogwash

Covering their own tracks. The numbers don't lie. Did they research themselves?!

[CarpeVeritas]

4. this time around, i think he did.

it had NOTHING to do with "Black Box Voting"-

it was all about the same-sex marriage ballot issues in the battleground states.

technically "fair & square"

[bowens43]

5. oh come on.....

the fraud in Ohio and Florida was responsible for putting the shithead in the oval office for another 4 years.

[CarpeVeritas]

9. and your proof is....???

anyone can make allegations.

[Vektor]

14. And millions have...

..and for damn good reason.

[tom_paine]

16. No proof, beyond the fact of the "soft manual disenfranchisement"

regarding placement of shitty machines, and too few, in Democratic-heavy areas, Bushevik vacation Home Double-Voting, and much more that has evolved since Poll Taxes and Reading Tests were made impossible to do anymore.

However, the very existance of Paperless Touchscreen Electronic Voting machines with no way to accurately audit them would be bad enough

but the Busheviks went to court and the court ruled the voting machine software was PROPRIETARY and therefore UNINSPECTABLE by auditors or government inspectors.

Even if that was a Kosher decision and not a Federalist Society Special, it is INSANE.

So the paperless, auditless "voting" machines are a big black hole with no security, no real way to detect tampering except company QC.

And the company is owned and run by Busheviks.

That in and of itself is reason to be suspicious, and if we still lived in a Free Nation, it would be addressed because an ever growing segment of the population does not trust the Voting Systems of the Nation.

After another decade of One Party Bushevik Totalitarian Rule that is somehow impossible to unseat, more will have awakened. Far too late.

Our Nation and It's Constitution were founded on the ideal (among many other morer important ones) that people cannot be trusted with Power, and certainly not Unchecked Power...thats what checks and balances were all about in the Old Republic.

Everything inspected by both sides, everything checked and cross-checked to make it as fair as possible.

Not anymore.

I understand what you are saying CarpeVeritas, but I believe we have strong reasons, well beyond what I just laid out, for feeling as we do.

Bush may have won fair and sqaure.

Or our Exit Polls could have meant exactly what the Ukrainian Exit Polls meant, which I thin kis much more likely.

We will never know and due to the failure of Checks and Balances, we shall never find out.

[journalist3072]

6. NOT!

I honestly believe more people went to the polls on election day intending to cast their vote for John Kerry. Now whether or not their vote was counted is another story.

But I look at it like this: people don't stand in line at the polling place 10 hours, just to vote for the status quo. People don't register to vote in massive numbers, just for the status quo. They do so when they want change.

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[journalist3072]

12. Well....

I know not everyone waited in line 10 hours. My point was that voter turnout was huge, and the fact was that in battleground states like Ohio and Florida, people did wait in line an extraordinarily long time. And I believe they did so b/c they wanted CHANGE, not more of the same.

When they had early voting in places like Ohio, I remember the news media showed these extremely long lines of people waiting to early vote. I was so moved that I almost cried, b/c I felt like people were engaged in this election, and wanted to make a difference.

Lastly, everyone knows that the conventional wisdom is that when people turn out to vote, Democrats win. I will never forget that on Election Day in 2000, when I was at work, my Director (who is a Repug!)asked us if we had heard anything about turnout around the country. I told him I had just heard on the radio at my desk that voter turnout around the entire country was huge. And he said "Well that means Gore's got it."

Anyway, I believe the Repugs knew turnout would be heaven. I think they knew in their hearts people wanted change, and I think their strategy for election day (which worked) was to slow down the process so people WOULD have to wait in line 4, 6 and 10 hours, get fustrated, and leave w/o voting.

[Vektor]

17. Um, no...

People do not stand in line for 10 hours in the freezing rain because they are only there to vote on gay marriage.
This is a common red herring but don't buy it.

Mostly right wing evangelicals actually care to legislate morality on a constant basis, and those people would have voted Shrub anyway - they are the same ones that did in 2000. When Gore technically won. You see the gay marriage issue did not make people get out and vote for Bush. People who would have voted for Bush ANYWAY subsequently voted against gay marriage, plus maybe some conservative Dems who voted for Kerry, but have religious hangups about seeing two people of the same sex marry. What we are talking about is the systematic suppression of certain voters, (KERRY SUPPORTERS) and the actual theft and tampering of Kerry votes...which has nothing to do with gay marriage.

Sure, some conservatives turned out to piously tromp on other people's rights, but far more conscientious folks turned out to vote AGAINST unjust war and the incompetence of the fascist Bush. Likely, their votes were not all counted.

The gay issue had been a Repug red herring since day one.

Don't let them tell you the military did not vote for Kerry either. That's another popular line of Freeper bull. And the very reason why the MSM will not release that statistic.

[Zenlitened]

7. The exit polls BEFORE the data was massaged to fit the "outcome"...

... or AFTER the data was massaged to fit the "outcome"?

[Botany]

10. Bullshit!

So why doesn't the media which paid for the polls release the raw data?
CYA by bush's lap dogs.

LLBR

:kick:

[McKenzie]

11. Hey Beavis, check it out...

Butthead, change it, this, like sucks, or something. Uhuhuh, voting sucks.

Oh yeah...he said "erection"...snigger.

[Vektor]

13. HAHAH... That's the first one to say that!!

Almost three months after the election, and finally the MSM tries to say the exit polls favor Bush.

HAHAHA.

I trust the word of the dozens of mathematicians and statisticians that say Bush's "win" was a mathematical impossibility, due to careful analysis, over the MSM's day-late and dollar-short wishful thinking attempt at covering for the boy king any day!

[Canuckistanian]

15. Not like that LAST time.....

Phew! Got away with that one by the skin of our teeth, eh, boys?

[doodadem]

18. Now check this--Blackwell going after Ohio lawyers

Blackwell is trying to exact revenge on the attorneys fighting for investigation in Ohio:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0119-12.htm

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[FizzFuzz]

20. gee wiz, if that were true, the Corp Media wouldn't have to trumpet

that "info" on Coronation Day.

LOOK!! SEE? SEE? IT WAS LEGIT! IT WAS IT WAAAAAAAAAS!!!


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[proudbluestater]

21. If they are SO sure, why do they refuse to release the RAW exit poll data?