9/11 and Gore...

[imax2268]

I keep getting pelted with arguments from freepers that Gore wouldn't have been able to handle 9/11...my thing is...with the Carlyle Group, the Saudi's...and the Bush's and Bin-ladens...would have 9/11 happend at all...?
Am I wrong to think that maybe it would have never happend...?
We will never know now...but I think that it's a weak argument...just something that the freepers use because they can't admit that W is a failure...

[w13rd0]

1. Not only would Gore have handled it SO MUCH better...

...it likely would not have even occurred, and we'd presently be dealing with a media and GOP constantly hounding and slamming on our duly elected President...

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

7. Gore certainly wouldn't have flown the Binladen brothers out of the US

before we could questions them.

Really, I doubt 911 would have happened at all, because Gore would have listened to John ONeill and investigated the Binladens. Gore wouldn't have covered for the Saudis and Binladens because Gore WASN'T IN BUSINESS WITH THEM!

Why isn't Bush in prison?

[cherryperry]

2. I don't see how Gore could have prevented

something that was long in the planning! And, unfortunately, with Lieberman as his VP, the world reaction might have been even worse!

W is a failure because of TONS of reasons, however, I don't believe his being in office caused 9/11 and I do believe Gore would have made better responses but it would have been even more difficult for him to do so with a Jewish VP.

... obviously, just my opinion and I doubt many here will agree, anyway, but wanted to post it anyway...

[nansocal]

14. It might not have happened...

If I remember correctly gore and a commission looked into security at airports and made alot of suggestions with their findings. I remember early on here at d.u. many even posted the report. so maybe with gores knowledge of the lack in security at airports and the fact that sandy burger told condi she would be spending alot of time on terrorism, gore would have made it a priority instead of tossing it aside.

[Cheswick2.0]

16. he would have prevented it

by paying attention to the warnings rather than purposely disregarding them.

[haymaker]

19. Oh fuckin' pulaese!

When you come in out of the dark, let us know. Obviously, you haven't read a damn thing about 9/11 except what was doled out to you by the propaganda minister.

There were warnings EVERYWHERE.

Only, and I mean only with inside help did that plan go off without a hitch. The only hiccup was (allegedly) from passengers who reacted before Bush did.

[cherryperry]

22. I'm sorry.

Please forgive me.

In reading your message and re-thinking my message #2, I do believe you are correct.

However, I am a sensitive little thing and would appreciate more kindness next time you decide to show me the light, ok?

:cry: :pals:

:kick:

[haymaker]

25. Sorry Cherry, I play too rough sometimes.

Some of us have to meet the threat head on. I know you are not that threat.

Forgiven?

:spank:

:hug:

:pals:

[cherryperry]

26. Absolutely forgiven!

I really appreciate your posting this!

:yourock:

:pals:

[gully]

3. Your not wrong at all. Your right on!...

http://www.buzzflash.com/perspectives/911bush.html

[leftofthedial]

4. 9-11 was a Bushco operation

It wouldn't have happened at all under a real President.

Gore would have handled it successfully as a law enforcement issue, would not have manipulated and exploited it to attack civil liberties, would not have embarked on a lengthy, expensive unsuccessful "war."

Of course, the Repuke House would have fought obstructed and criticized at every step of the way.

[Liberal Classic]

10. A Bush operation?

Okay, was the World Trade Center parking garage bombing in 1993 also Bush's fault?

[cherryperry]

23. You might take notice that no one here wants

to touch your message, Liberal Classic.

Actually, I find that quite interesting.

:argh:

:hi:

:toast:



(edited for misspelling - apologies!)

[gandalf]

5. What did Bush do on 9/11? Nothing meaningful!

If anybody should voice the really funny opinion that Bush was "able to handle 9/11", he/she should read how proficiently Bush handled 9/11 on that same day.
After he finished hearing school children reading a goat story (even though he was informed about both WTC crashes), he started meandering through the skies.

He should, among other things, have decided if the remaining hijacked flights (93 and 77) were to be shot down.

Here is what Bush did, or better, what he did not, on 9/11 and why nobody can claim that he "handled 9/11".
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html

[noonwitch]

6. No, you are right

Clinton and Gore had a plan for getting bin Laden/al Queda, but did not implement it because they did not want to hand a war to the incoming Bush administration, according to Sandy Berger (in Al Franken's book, among other sources). They gave Condi their plan, and the administration never followed up on it. Also, Gary Hart and Warren Rudman headed a comission when Clinton was in office to study better ways to implement security to protect us from attacks. Their recommendations were ignored by Bush and company.
And then there are your points about perhaps the terrorism being personal because of the Bush family connections.

[nannygoat]

8. Gore Commission Report

Plus, Al Gore participated in a commission about terrorism and aviation safety. And we all know that he would have READ the intelligence reports and been AWAKE and ATTENTIVE in national security briefings.

Gore Commission Final Report
http://www.airportnet.org/depts/regulatory/goreini.htm

Furthermore, we know there wouldn't have been the rejection of "all things Clinton" as there was/is in the * misadministration. And Gore definitely wasn't BEHOLDEN to the Saudis in the same way that * is (bailing out his failed businesses and investing in Poppy's companies of oil, death and destruction).

For a good read on what the reichwingers would have done to Gore as president (including if 9/11 had happened), check this out:

PRESIDENT GORE: A LOOK BACK
http://www.uexpress.com/tedrall/index.html?uc_full_date=20030429

[ixion]

9. Bush is a coward and a war criminal

on the day in question, he ran away from something he already knew was going to happen, and has since used the ensuing confusion to defile the Bill of Rights and the Contitution. Since that point, he and the neocons have committed war crimes on almost a daily basis.

I personally think we'd be living in a very different America today had the democratically elected President been put in office. I don't believe the WTC thing would have happened, and even if it did, I know for sure that we would not have illegally invaded two soverign nations under the guise of fighting 'terrorism'.

[eleny]

11. As vice president...

didn't Gore request to have a commission to look into airline safety relating to readiness against terrorism? It's my understanding that he did but that the R controlled congressional committee denied that request. He was denied because the R's knew Gore was going to run for president and they didn't want him to have a feather in his cap.

If he were allowed to pursue it, changes may have been made in time to prevent the plot from moving forward. Even if he had become president without an airline safety commission, I believe that his administration would have acted on the plans developed for retaliation for the Cole bombing in October 2000.

So, I do think that there's a very good chance that Gore would have crippled Al Qaeda as early as January or February of 2001. Surely this would have thwarted Al Qaeda's ability to pursue the plan that culminated in 9/11.

[Tennessee Gal]

12. Gore actually had foreign policy experience!

What a novel concept!

[Solomon]

13. It wouldn't have happened.

Bush thought he knew better than the democrats. Since he had a business relationship with them fellers he thought he could negotiate his afghanistan pipeline rather than fight with them. That's why he backed off on what the dems had done before leaving office. When it became apparent he was not going to get his way, he left the doors open for the attack to justify his wars.

[imax2268]

15. Great points all...

I knew that I was on the right track with my argument...your guys points have re-assured me...but...everytime I would bring up something...they would always come back with..."Gore couldn't handle it"...just like blaming the economy on Clinton...

Thanks all for your opinions...good posts all...I hope to see some more good points from everyone...

[Gingergal]

17. Gore said at the end of a speech in response to a question the following:

(paraphrased from memory)

I would have had more than one FBI agent working on counterterrorism; John Ashcroft had pulled FBI agents out to work on busting prostitutes in New Orleans.

[haymaker]

18. It never would have happened.

Keep telling them that, and don't give an inch. Just tell them that maybe Gore would have made the collosal myriad of fuck-ups and ignored all the warnings, but maybe monkeys will fly out of my ass, too.

[grasswire]

20. just ask them....

....why the distribution list of the president's intelligence briefing of 8/06/01 has been classified? That briefing paper told of the plans of al queda to use hijacked airplanes inside the U.S.

Ask them if it's conceivable that nit-picky Gore (notorious micromanager) would have set aside the Hart report on terrorism, refused to see Senator Feinstein about her concerns on intelligence, brushed off George Tenet's frenzied and near-hysterical worries about a "spectacular" attack being imminent? Ask if President Gore would have allowed his vice president to fail to hold ANY meetings on terrorism after tasking him with that responsibility. Ask if Gore would have been in Tennessee for a month while intelligence chatter showed fearsome signs.

[haymaker]

24. Good questions all.

I am personally aghast that they seem to have gotten away with this shit.

What really worries me is how far they would go to keep it covered up. I believe that is why the Democrats don't converge on this and attack in unison. They are afraid of what they, the Bush cartel, would do. And so am I. But I attack nonetheless.

[imax2268]

21. ok...here ya go...check out these statements...

Here are some Freeper quotes:

1)
Wow, That's amazing, ... Gore would be sitting in the Oval Office, and his security advisor (Angela Davis?) would walk in and say, Hey Al, there are Arabs learning to fly planes. Let's arrest them before they fly them into buildings.

And of course the all knowing Al would have sent bin Laden a terse letter saying "We're watching you and the Bush family."

2)
Your post is laughable at best...9-11 might not have happened with Gore...are you crazy?

3)
"Bush was informed of it"

Exactly what information was Bush informed of and how do you know about it.

4)
He knew of a vague threat, as I understand, because he was given intelligence by the previous administration. He knew somethig was going to happen at sometime, but according to some, Miss Clio should have told him exactly where and when so he'd be ready. Even Miss Clio don't know it all or she would have seen her bancruptcy coming.


See what I have to put up with when I try to have an honest discussion about their claims that Gore couldn't handle it...!