WTF??? We're already in Iran???

[Taverner]

US commandos are operating inside Iran selecting sites for future air strikes, says the American investigative reporter Seymour Hersh.

In the New Yorker magazine, Hersh says intelligence officials have revealed that Iran is the Bush administration's "next strategic target".

Hersh says that American special forces have conducted reconnaissance missions inside Iran for six months.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4180087.stm

Sorry if this is a repost, but this makes me PISSSED!

[Bluebear]

1. Quiet, enjoy the Miss Mississippi Magnolia float on TV now

Pay no attention to Iran.

[meisje]

2. The war in Iraq started long before it was announced

[Ripley]

3. Yeah, my apolitical Mother even asked me if heard about it!!!

I laughed so hard I almost burst when she said it. I asked her if she had secretly learned how to use the computer and was on DU. She said I heard it on the news. I laughed again, and said, huh-uh. She said, "Oh wait I heard it on CSPAN yesterday when that Rice gal didn't answer their questions."

Killer, when Mom knows. Maybe they'll all get a clue now.

(On edit: I know apolitical Mom and CSPAN don't go together, but she has been nervous (and bored, thus watching TV alot) this week with Dad in the hospital.)

[American Tragedy]

13. Actually, Ripley, I first heard about it in an interview on CNN.

Unfortunately, it hasn't gotten much play, but I expected as much.

[Ripley]

16. Wow, really?

I don't watch TV News anymore. Surprised it would even be mentioned there. Thanks for the update.

[American Tragedy]

32. I only watch CSPAN, but my mom watches the news

and since my computer and my school materials are all situated across from the television, I'm inevitably exposed to it.

Unfortunately, today my mom has been masochistically watching the inauguration while she's working, so I've had to endure Bush, Cheney, Lott, Hastert, freepers, etc. exulting for the past few hours while I'm vainly trying to do some research. :grr: At least we can bitch about it together, though.

[Ripley]

36. Oh my, I think you misunderstood me!

My parents live an 11 hour drive away from me! Unfortunately I cannot go visit my Dad in the hospital, but talked to him on the phone today.

I must be a tad bit older than you! But good luck AT - go do your research at the REAL WORLD library, if they have one near you!!

[American Tragedy]

41. You know, you don't have to be so patronizing.

All I said was that I don't typically watch CNN either, but my mother does and that is how I hear about it.

I must say, it is pretty damned condescending and presumptuous to say that I need to study in the "REAL WORLD". Yes, I am almost certainly younger than you, but what does that mean? You don't know me. You don't know anything about me or my life experience.

[Ripley]

42. You totally misunderstood my post!

I was not at all being condescending....I meant if you can't escape the coronation on TV at home because your mother had it blasting, you should go somewhere else to do your work! Sheesh! I was trying to make a helpful suggestion.

What the fuck is your problem? You initially assumed i live with my Mom. Sorry, I forgot some of you still live at home, you don't have to get yourself so worked up and take offense where none was intended.

[American Tragedy]

43. What?

Where exactly in my post did I make the assumption that you lived with your mother? I was referring to my particular circumstances, not yours. Anyway, the thing about the real world just irritated me, because I'm not a stranger to it; I only recently moved back in. Sorry. :(

Oh, God, this is so stupid. This sometimes happens when I have too much to drink - I pursue issues that would be better ignored.

[Ripley]

44. How about a truce?

I'm sorry that my other post sounded condescending - not my intention at all. Sometimes I forget that my intended meaning cannot be conveyed properly without the reader seeing my facial expressions or the tone of my voice. The perils of communicating by typing!

Peace.

[American Tragedy]

45. Yes, I experience the same problem.

A great deal of interpersonal signals are obliterated when we interact this way, and smilies are a damned poor substitute.

Anyway, I'm sorry if I blew things way out of proportion. As you could probably tell, I was in a very bad mood, due in part to some personal stuff going on in my life, and that filtered into my interpretation of messages here. I'm not usually like this.

Peace be with you, and I hope you won't hold this too hard against me in future conversations here. O8)

[tjdee]

4. Freedom is on the march, mothafuckas!

:silly:

Boy, why is it that everyone hates our country now, after all the freedom we're bringing to people?

The Iranians will give us flowers too, I bet.

Except for those insurgents that will hate freedom.

Hey--if we destabilize the entire Middle East, maybe we can force Russia to declare war on Israel and bring about Armageddon!

I wasn't enjoying life anyways. :scared:

[Calvinist Basset]

8. Smirky the Chimp hinted at this crap in his inaugural speech.

He said something about not just hunting down terrorists, but spreading freedom throughout the world. In other words, I take that to mean he plans to "liberate" more people in places like Iran.

[Taverner]

9. Did anyone bother to tell him IRAN IS A FUCKING DEMOCRACY???

Yep, they have an elected government there. This will be the second time in US history we topple an elected Government.

True, they have corruption, rigging and whatnot, but hey, so do we!

[Wisc Badger]

20. A DEMOCRACY?? - YOU ARE KIDDING RIGHT???

Check out their last so called free and fair election. Even the EU did not buy it.

That being said it still does not justify a run up to war with Iran.

[Taverner]

40. Their last election was a sham, but hell so have ours

Since 2000

[grumpy old fart]

21. well, an elected Parliament, but the Mullahs still hold the real power...

and most importantly, the military. But you're right, it's much more democratic than say, um, Chimp's good pals in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, China....

[Wisc Badger]

5. Hersh is not the most Unbiased reporter

this is the same guy who did propaganda for Clinton.

I don't for a minute doubt that we have on going black ops in Iran, but I take anything Hersh writes with a truck load of salt.

[Beetwasher]

6. You Are Out Of Your Fucking Mind

Seymour Hersch is one of the best, most respected journalists (notice I said JOURNALIST not REPORTER, there's a difference) on the planet. He is no longer working for Clinton and his research and reporting is impeccable. Get a clue.

On edit: I see you're a "recovering" republican. Looks like you've still got a bit of programming you need to remove.

[Ripley]

15. I'd really like to give the fellow credit...

After all, he admits he is recovering. But damn if he doesn't come at us with the same old tired arguments in prettier wrapping paper.

[Jacobin]

19. Perhaps he has relapsed

Let's start those 12 steps over again....

[Wisc Badger]

23. You could be right on that one

yesterday I caught myself shaking my right leg before thinking on an abortion post.

Apologized about it today though, and I must say it was nicely received.

I LOVE TO POST ON THIS SITE!

[Beetwasher]

25. Well, You've Got A Decent Sense Of Humor

I'll give you that...

Seriously though, there's hardly a finer journalist to be found than Hersch anywhere and around these parts, dissing Hersch is not a good idea. It's usually a sign that there's not much integrity in the poster who does it, if you get my drift.

As far as I'm concerned you can keep posting here regardless of your previous affiliations, it's a great place, but be prepared to have your ass kicked w/ facts if you pipe up w/ bullshit.

[Wisc Badger]

38. Fair enough

Thank You.

[Ripley]

7. Really...like Abu Graib torture, rape and murder?

He broke that story. I think he doens't need a salt truck.

[shraby]

14. He also broke the Mai Lai massacre

I think he got an award for it. Sy Hersh is one fantastic investigative reporter. Don't diss him while I'm around. He has earned and deserves respect.

[Ripley]

22. Exactly.

He's been around a long time and is credible. However, I respected Dan Rather as well, and lately I hear the freeps around here saying things like "yeah, I remember him during Vietnam...he was such a flake!"

**CLANKITY CLANK** - sound of peanuts percolating inside the freeps cranial cavity.

[Wisc Badger]

26. I was in High School during Mai Lai

I did not know Hersh has been around that long.

I hereby apologize for taking shots at him.

I learned that he originated Abu Graib and now Mai Lai, guess I was wrong.

[Wisc Badger]

24. I did not know he originated the Aug Graib

story. My apologies than I was in the hospital when that story broke (service connected disability that keeps flaring up).

Sorry I still have residual disgust left about Clinton, I am learning though.

[Ripley]

27. All I can say is...

If you want me to take you seriously in your reformation process, then you need to quit posting in a knee-jerk republican way.

Anyway, what exactly does any of this have to do with Clinton?

[Wisc Badger]

37. I thought that Hersh used to work as a PR type for

Clinton, and wrote a book about it.

I could be wrong on this one also, I seem to be doing that a lot the last 2 days.

[On the Road]

10. Of Course Seymour Hersch is Biased

He also has integrity. I take a report from him very seriously.

[Spazito]

11. ROFL! Hersh is widely respected, even by his opponents....

and has yet to be proven wrong on ANY of his articles. Only right-wing propagandists have tried (and failed) to paint him as non-factual. What exactly is his bias? The ability to state facts and scare the hell out of the right wingers?

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. humbug this is the same man

that uncovered Mai Lai and... Abu Ghraib

is this why yuo want to take what he writes with a grain of salt?

[moobu2]

17. Oh, I see now...I read your profile..lol

Good luck on your continuing recovery..

[DrWeird]

30. Unbiased? There's the pot calling the kettle black.

What a load of horseshit.

[Solly Mack]

33. Speed that recovery along

Cause you're way off base on this one

[Jacobin]

18. Yes. Sharon called Smirky and so Smirky sent in the

commandos.

[Cleita]

28. New rules. Those newly registered Republicans who voted for

Bush should be the first to be drafted.

[Ripley]

31. Hahahah!

Good one. Nice to see you Cleita. :hi:

[Solly Mack]

29. We're in Cambodia?

I'm shocked!

[Wisc Badger]

34. Ok one and all it Looks like I posted before thinking again.

I did not know his background, only what I picked up while I was still a GOP type (you would be suprised how easy it is to be a conservative in the military, and when you only hang around them as a civilian).

It took my exposure to more thinking that I got going to schoold (UW Parkside in SE Wisconsin) and then I still had issues with Clinton and the way he conducted his self (his policies were dead on if a little bit timid).

Any way thank you for letting me progress, I have been in and out of the hospital since 01. And have only been recently cleared for work and life as I used to know it.

Thank you all.

THIS SITE :yourock:

[Spazito]

39. Okay, I hope you continue to frequent DU, it is THE site to learn...

the facts. BTW, Hersh also won the Pulitzer Prize for his journalistic excellence.

[txaslftist]

35. God help us.

[Deja Q]

46. And sleeper cells are in America. What goes around.

:crazy: