I'm troubled by all these 'Christian' leaders and their Anti-GLBT stances

[ck4829]

1. Jerry Falwell denounces Tinky Winky because he is purple and carries a purse.

2. Jerry Falwell blames the attacks of 9/11 on Abortionists, Secularists, and Gay people

3. Pat Robertson says there will be hurricanes, terrorist bombs, and possibly a meteor if there is a Gay Day in Orlando, Florida

4. James Dobson accuses Spongebob Squarepants of being Gay

Truth - In my Senior Class, we learned about something called 'on the down low', this is when men, who are usually married and appear straight, are actually Gay. One of Reagan's buddies who suffered from AIDS and was Gay, was very Anti-Gay and was so until the day he died.

The thing about a person who is on the down low is that they are usually very, very Anti-Gay.

What does this say about the Leaders of the 'Christian' Right?

PS - I am not trying to slam Gay people, I support equal rights for GLBT people, I am just saying something about these self-hating Gay people.

[Bronco69]

1. I know what you're saying.

As a gay man I get so damned frustrated by the gay people on the right. Why anyone would want to undermine his/her own civil rights is beyond me.

[Warpy]

4. They see their gayness as weak and womanish

and despise that part of themselves. They also project it onto women, and loathe women because they represent what they are ashamed of as seeing as female within themselves. Denying civil rights to other gays feels like denying that hated part of themselves in a meaningful way.

Most of the hard right monsters in this country have been deeply closeted, self-loathing gay males.

We could feel sorry for them were they not in power. Women and gay men are generally oppressed by them, but worse than the oppression would be to inhabit the ugly little world they live in.

[bliss_eternal]

7. For some reason what you said here reminded me of the

character in American Beauty. The completely anal retentive, military, closeted Nazi dude, that decides toward the end of the film to kiss Kevin Spacey's character on the mouth. Then realizing his secret is out he must kill him.

I thought the writer of that film was making a profound and telling statement about much of this country.

[bliss_eternal]

6. I feel your pain, as a woman of color--

I can't understand women or people of minority groups aligning themselves with the right either. I find it disturbing. They are placing themselves directly among the population of people that would prefer it if they didn't exist at all--or their rights were diminished or completely abolished.

What sense does that make?

[distantearlywarning]

2. I once read a study that showed that

there was a strong positive correlation between level of expressed hostility/prejudice towards homosexuals and physiological arousal to homosexual pornography. In plain English: men who said they were the biggest homophobes were also the ones who got off on gay porn.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if a lot of these religious leaders were hiding copies of Man Date under their mattresses.

[gratuitous]

3. Fortunately, there is a counterbalance

It's called different things in different denominations: More Light by the Presbyterians, Dignity by Catholics, Open and Affirming by the Mennonites and Church of the Brethren, and these congregations stand (usually in opposition to their denominational leaders) in favor of the full inclusion of gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered and intersexed persons in the life of their congregations.

As a denomination, the United Church of Christ is open and affirming, though individual congregations may not be. There are also the Metropolitan Commmunity Churches, which are largely composed (at this time) of g/l/b/t/i persons.

Numerically, we're still a small movement in the larger world of Christendom, but the future of Christianity will be inclusive. I have no doubt about that. Congregations and denominations that are not inclusive are dwindling year by year, and the folks who are the loudest against inclusion are as loud as they are because they can see the trend too.

[bliss_eternal]

8. Forgive me for being forward

but I couldn't discern from your post--what is the name of your church? Where are you guys located?

I have friends that may be interested in seeking out your congregations...

[gratuitous]

10. Check your DU box

We'll "talk."

[Lydia Leftcoast]

5. The Reagan associate was Terry Dolan

I'd see him on news programs, spouting all this anti-gay rhetoric, and I'd think, "Isn't he talking about himself?"

[bliss_eternal]

9. Shows how much attention I gave the Reagan administration

or any of his associates. I had no idea of this, this is the first I am hearing of it. Wow. So Terry Donlan was incredibly vocal about hating gays, yet was gay.

Why don't these creeps just embrace who they are? Seek out counseling to learn acceptance of themselves--then find a nice guy and settle down?

To think they spend so much time and energy hating a part of themselves. It just seems like such a waste of time and energy.

Can you imagine how much happier they would just accept themselves as is?

[HockeyMom]

11. Comfortable

If you are comfortable and secure in your OWN sexuality you don't give a damn what anybody else does; be they gay or straight.

[Harry S Truman]

16. Yes!

They hate sex because they've never understood it.

[kweerwolf]

12. Terry Dolan was just the tip of a homophobic iceberg

Don't forget J. (for "Jane") Edgar Hoover who, after a long day at the office investigating the sex lives of just about everyone, would go home and chug the weinie of his second-in-command at the FBI, Clyde Tolson.

Then there was Roy Cohn who, after working for just about any right-wing cause or candidate, would go to Providence and chug just about everyone's weinie.

Politics has always been viewed by some as a macho profession. Some of the closeted gay men who have gone into politics adopt these ultra-masculine personas thinking they are covering themselves. It's similar to sports. I dated for a while a former pro soccer player. While he can admit to being a gay man, he's still got many areas of his life in which he remains closeted and hides his self-loathing behind a dependence on booze.

It's really sad ... but every time I hear some macho guy take a really anti-gay stance, it reminds me of the line from Shakespeare: "Methinks she doth protest too much."

[msongs]

13. they do it because it brings in lots of $$$$$$$$$$ and

they cannot lynch black people or gas jews anymore, so the only thing they can use to get the fear cranked up and the cash flowing in is to demonize creator-made homosexuals.

And let us not forget what the bible says about rich people like James Dobson and Pat Robertson - you know the one about the camel going thru the eye of a needle is easier than a rich man getting in to heaven!

it's all abot MONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY.

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[Lexingtonian]

14. no, they're not all closet cases

It's just a fashionable, internally acceptable, way among the Right to project the failure of Christian 'family values'- or at least explain away the cause- on a pseudo-plausible scapegoat group.

[Batgirl]

15. protesting too much