Why doesn't the evidence that Greg Palast has uncovered make a dent?

[JanMichael]

He and many others (Many, many others!!!) have shown deliberate election fraud on a large scale by Republican Elections officials, the RNC, and brother governers, which I imagine would have crashed most other nations.

It's on such a broad and specific scale that it's now obvious that we no longer have the rule of law, IE. the Constution, in play.

So if that's the case...What's "legal" and "illegal" worth anymore?

Useless words to fry opponants by as far as I can tell.

It's now a free for all in the Progressive/Liberal/Left camp now as far as I'm concerned. Play by the "rules"? Whose "RULERS", whoops, I meant "rules"?

They've trashed the biased, but familiar, system so now it's up to us to do whatever it takes to fight them.

Whatever it takes because they've trashed the old ways.

Those days are gone, period. The institutions and everyone who defends those rotting corpes of corruption are now simply , yes, in the way.

[Love Bug]

1. Because "A prophet is without honor in his own country"

[JanMichael]

3. He isn't a prophet, just a dedicated investigative reporter that isn't...

...owned by Viacom or Murdoch, etcetera.

I only use him as a source to provide evidence that the "game", if that's what we want to call Society and Humankind, is effectively over.

[leftchick]

2. as he mentioned in his appearance tonight

It is the Corporate control of ALL media in the USA. It is really that simple and that sinister.

:(

[G_j]

16. where did he appear tonight?

I thought this thread was rather appropriate because we just watched "Bush Family Fortune" tonight and were asking the same question as JanMichael. Was Palast on TV or something tonight?
Now THAT would be unusual!

[leftchick]

24. he was on C-Span 1....

http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/cspan.csp?command=dprogram&record=183083265

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What We Do Now
Cooper Union
New York, New York (United States)
ID: 185219 - 01/21/2005 - 1:00 - $29.95



Morgan, Robin, Founder, Sisterhood Is Global Institute
MacArthur, John R., Publisher, Magazine
Kaplan, Esther, Author
Palast, Greg, Author




Panelists discuss the book edited by Dennis Johnson and Valerie Merians, What We Do Now, published by Melville House Publishing. The book is a collection of essays written by progressives in response to President Bush's 2004 election victory

Panelists are: Greg Palast, author of The Best Democracy Money Can Buy: The Truth About Corporate Cons, Globalization and High-Finance Fraudsters, published by Plume; John MacArthur, author of The Selling of "Free Trade": NAFTA, Washington, and the Subversion of American Democracy, published by University of California Press; Esther Kaplan, author of With God on Their Side: How Christian Fundamentalists Trampled Science, Policy, and Democracy in George W. Bush's White House, published by New Press; and Robin Morgan, author of The Demon Lover: The Roots of Terrorism, published by Washington Square Press.


He was so good! It was very sad the place was only half full though. I am deffinately buying his book!

[G_j]

26. wow, thanks

this book sounds great!

[OutsourceBush]

4. it may be that we never elected anyone, they just allowed people

to think so. Now we are just savvy enough to figure it out!

The whole myth thing of freedom and elections may be just an elaborate sham put on by the CIA or whoever every 4 years.

[JanMichael]

5. Some would say it's been a sham for about a century.

But only brought to light now (Well it's been done before but that's ancient history...).

[Wapsie B]

7. I think you may be closer to the truth

than many would like. In the olden days we had smoked-filled backrooms where political deals were hammered out. Candidates were chosen and given or not given backing. Now a few keystrokes here and there and viola! We've got a rigged election.

[cornermouse]

13. Smoke-filled backrooms?

What makes you think they only existed in the olden days. They're still there and still in business.

Think about the people who have run (both republican and democrat). Have't you ever wondered how an ill-equipped candidate (Bush is a prime example) surpasses the frontrunner and end up with the candidacy?

[K-W]

12. No, it couldnt possibly have always been this way.

There has certainly always been election fruad, but the fact that voting is done on the local level meant that youd have to have a nationwide network of vote riggers to rig an election, that or a systematic corruption of every state government in the union... but thats not something that could slip by.

Now that the population is so much larger and technology brings us so close together that it makes all this possible and our system perform so badly.

[Karenina]

6. Many too many Americans

simply don't give a FLYING FUCK. I GOT MINE AND NEVER MIND I SCREWED YOU AND YOURS GETTING IT. WHATCHOO GONNA DO ABOUT IT.

First and foremost, the *dauphin IS the true representative of the collective American mindset. Greg is a TRUTH TELLER unwelcome there.

[seabeyond]

8. someone needs to begin prosecuting. blackwell

the christian orginization based out of az that threw away reg in az and nevada, new mexico..........gotta prosecute. would rather try to fix this one than say screw it, let see who can suppress, intimidate and cheat the best

[Vidar]

27. You're right but it's an uphill battle. Ohio's governor, attorney general

and supreme court have all come to the bastard's defense.

[rman]

9. what do you mean "voter fraud"? - it's election fraud

presumably very few voters were involved in fraud.

[JanMichael]

11. Whoops! Thanks!

I corrected the slip.

[KG]

10. because nobody that really matters cares.

[Mist]

14. Well, it HAS made a dent

On people like DUers and others who pay attention. But, MSM never touches it. One has to work at finding out what's going on, or might be going on. Add to that the fact that roughly a third of the American public seems not to care or is stupid enough to believe the MSM. Plus, a lot of people who aren't stupid are just in serious, heavy-duty denial, they can't believe "it's that bad," or that stuff like wide-spread election-rigging "really happens."

[JanMichael]

15. For those who ask the question: Is there a media conspiracy...

This is it.

[Sir Jeffrey]

17. This may seem a bit off topic, but why don't we get to watch BBC?

Palast works for them. I honestly think that would solve most of our problems. The BBC News service does wonderful work, and I'll bet anyone here that BBCWorld on basic cable would stomp ass. It would also get a lot of information out into the mainstream that is not shown anywhere else.

I live in Kentucky and on local cable I get three christian broadcasting stations, five sports channels (including the f-ing useless Golf channel), four music channels and one channel that tells me what is on the other channels. Is there some law preventing the BBC access to American Markets? And if so, overturning that law would probably be worth the money and effort. IMO of course :)

[JanMichael]

18. The BBC, while better, is still not the answer.

Although, as biased as it is, it's a far cry better than what we've got. I'll give you that.

[Sir Jeffrey]

21. Don't get me wrong, it would be *much* better...

to have some good ol'fashioned red-blooded 'merkun station that did real news, but I just don't see it happening anytime soon. I remember Jon Stewart joking that someone lost their spot on TV and Chomsky was going to be the replacement. That is funny, but for the wrong reasons. That perspective needs to get out to be heard and discussed.

BBCWorld has some major clout, a high degree of independence, and journalistic integrity. They've got enough balls to stand up and report the truth. And it would get Palast and his information into the mainstream of middle America.

[JanMichael]

23. He HAS worked for the BBC though.

NewsNight IIRC.

His stories have been on it on numerous occasions.

Sadly that means shit here.

[WritersBlock]

25. The BBC is worthless for this cause.

Many people have tried to get the BBC to cover electoral fraud. They are not interested: "It's up to the Washington bureau to decide what to cover." - this directly from the Foreign Affairs desk in London.

They're simply not interested in electoral fraud. You could hear it in the tone of the editor's voice.

I used to think I could trust them to give reasonably impartial coverage of world events, but not since November 2nd.

On edit: I would love to be proven wrong by events.

[The Backlash Cometh]

19. Maybe Pallas should get the international newspapers to print it.

And the headlines should point out that the U.S. media is censoring him.

[JanMichael]

20. For one they don't operate as "one" for two some have for three who owns..

...some of them too?

It isn't so simple, most things rarely are.

[Sir Jeffrey]

22. I think Palast gets good coverage in the Guardian n/t