Reading Nazi Propaganda, It Sounds Just Like BushCo Rhetoric!

[K8-EEE]

Seriously creepy!! This reminds me of the Freeper types who think the Iraqis should be grateful that we invaded them. That weird Fascist superority complex that their world domination schemes will benefit everyone and so they are perfectly justified. Doesn't this sound so Neo-Con-ish?? From a Nazi era pamphlet.
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"Whenever Germans have crossed a foreign border, whether in war or in peace, they have always brought more than they have taken, given more than they have demanded.

"Who can equal us," Ludendorff asked the world in his war memoirs, after his discussion of the great administrative and cultural work of the Supreme Command East in wartime Poland. "Poland is in our debt," he said.

That is also true today!

Already in 1940, the harvest in former Polish territory will be much higher than before."

[FreepFryer]

1. Here's a quote from Rumsfeld/Hoess - Auschwitz and Abu Ghraib, anyone?

Note: I am NOT claiming equivalence between the Holocaust and the abuses against political prisoners. I AM pointing out rough equivalence in the messaging by those responsible.

"This so-called ill treatment and torture in detention centers, stories of which were spread everywhere among the people, and later by the prisoners who were freed were not, as some assumed, inflicted methodically, but were excesses committed by individual prison guards, their deputies, and men who laid violent hands on the detainees."
-- Rudolf Hoess, the SS commandant at Auschwitz.

[K8-EEE]

3. Wow!!

That IS creeepy!!!!! Rummy always seems like an old Nazi though. Right from Central Casting.

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. Why are you not claiming equivalence?

Do you think the Nazi's went from 0 to 120 in sixty seconds? Hitler came to power in '32. The first concentration camp wasn't built until '35, and his first invasion, of the occupied Rheinland territories, wasn't until '37. His death toll after his first 4 years was in the hundreds, maybe a couple thousand.

Bush came to power in 2001. His first invasion, and first concentration camps, came in 2001, just ten months later. Since then he's invaded a second country, and opened many more prisons and concentration camps. Oh, yeah, there's the first, on Diego Garcia, which they never talk about anymore, then Gitmo, then the camp at Bagram Airbase. Then in Iraq, there's the Baghdad Air Base, Abu Grahib, and who knows how many more. Between Afghanistan and Iraq, I'd guess that Bush is responsible for better than 150,000 deaths.

If anything, Bush is ahead of the game.

[FreepFryer]

6. I need no convincing that Bush is a modern day Hitler. However,

I would never dishonor the memories of the hundreds of thousands of families exterminated in the camps by comparing their suffering to that of the political prisoners of the Bush administration.

The Bush families long-standing Fascist and Nazi sympathizing is a real concern, and any evil against the dignity of any human being is equally unacceptable.

I do not in any way defend it - but I don't claim they are equivalent social evils at this time. 6 million Jewish souls would disagree.

[RaleighNCDUer]

8. And I am just saying that at a point 4 years into their respective

reigns, Bush is responsible for more deaths than Hitler. That not to say that Hitler doesn't surge ahead in the next four years. I don't see Bush keeping up with that unless he decides to nuke Tehran or something.

IMO, it is not a dishonor to the holocaust victims to draw these parallels. The watchword of the holocaust is 'never again'. The dishonor would be to not draw the parallels.

Even in 1936, most German jews didn't really believe it could happen to them, for Germany was one of the most enlightened countries in the world, and jews had served in high positions in German society, in government, in education, the arts and the military.

Much like here.

Believe me, I've thought of this a lot.

[FreepFryer]

9. Believe me, I have too... but that's premature ejaculation at this point.

You are preaching to someone who already knows every point you are raising.

It is simply inappropriate in my opinion to equate the liquidation campaign of the Nazis and the 'disappearing' of the thousands of Muslim political prisoners.

Point out the similarities, hammer the issues, prevent the reoccurence, yes... but not shout at the rain.

[theresistance]

14. The point I've made in my own articles and books

is that Bush's aggression might be lessor than Hitler's, but it is no less criminal. We cannot go comparing numbers. This is exactly what people are doing with Saddam Hussein. Well SH killed x numbers of people so we have killed less, so we are okay or better. It seems that people like Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein have become some sort of a standard that the US and Britain hold up and say, well we didn't kill or torture as many people, our invasions and killing was for good and moral reasons whereas Hitler and SH's killing was pure evil etc...

[Hollowkatt]

15. Watchword??

The watchword for ANY genocide is Never Again, and yet its repeatedly happening in places around the world that the US just dosent care about.
Darfur?? anyone?? and what didi we do there? just release a statement "this is bad. stop"
We must be vigilent in our assesment of genocide and work tirelessly to stamp it out at every oppertunity

[left is right]

21. "The dishonor would be to not draw the parallels."

You said it exactly right.

[theresistance]

11. Absolutely agree with your statements

but you can hardly call Hitler's "first invasion" the reclaiming of the Rhineland? I guess it may come down to technicalities, but I don't think that was really an invasion as such. If anything he ejected the Allied "invasion" (or occupation) of the Rhineland.

[RaleighNCDUer]

17. It may be a technicality, but he did mobilize a military force and

moved it into an area that was demilitarized by treaty. Of course, it was German territory, but if he had been opposed there his further military moves might have been delayed by years. His success at breaking the treaty there encouraged him to build his military up beyond treaty approved levels, and then to the anschluss in Austria and invasion of Czechoslovakia. So while it may not have been an invasion, it was the trigger for his invasions.

But of course, you know that. It's quarter to five in the morning, and I'm babbling. :crazy:

[merh]

23. The estimated death toll of the tsuami is 150,000 to 200,000

The weed's admin is responsible for 150,000 or more.

One was a natural disaster - the other by choice. One has the world clamouring to raise money and bring relief. The other, is unknown by most of our citizens, ignored and/or justified. The world has no idea how to prevent more killings by the weed's admin, yet millions are being spent to establish tsuami early warning systems to prevent future tragedies. There are no fund raisers being conducted for the survivers in Iraq, most of the charitible organizations and service providers have been chased out of the country because it is so dangerous.

What does this say about our world?

[Richard Steele]

16. THX for that quote, i'm gonna use it!

[d_b]

18. Yikes!

:scared:

[RBHam]

2. Our Glorious Leader!

[K8-EEE]

4. Egads! More Struedel, Herr Bush??

You know what though, those Hitler pix remind me of those ones I always see of Bush on the AP -- where he as that "halo"ish light?? UGH!

[Swamp Rat]

7. Didn't he make the cover of time?

:D

[theresistance]

13. Someone has to make a collection of all the

pictures and postings like these here that DUers have done over the years. It would make a great book!

[Bo]

10. Thank You

For pointing out the insanity
my favorite is Goebbles of course

[RBHam]

12. Shape Shifting Alien Overlords...

[Octafish]

24. We should be so lucky.

Bush is much, much worse -- exactly the kind of political leadership (much of) the country deserves.

[lawladyprof]

19. A difference of degree rather than kind--eom

N/T

[hollowdweller]

20. I would LOVE to talk to an old German person who was alive then. I'd like

to know what it was like to see so many of your citizens and you gov't become so horrible, because I almost feel like that now. I mean we don't have gas chambers, but the whole way so many people were duped into the Iraq war just makes me think that all the people who went along with the invasions and the gassing of the Jews probably thought it was the most natural response to the crisis and it just seemed the right thing to do.

[Vidar]

22. Channeling the ghosts of Hitler & Goebbels. Ancient evil resurfaces.