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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-05 11:29 PM Original message |
Slate defends Harvard's Summers on female inferiority in mathematics |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-05 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
1. This makes me feel better. I thought the reason women make |
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durutti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-05 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
2. Of course. It's a very fashionable notion. |
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gottaB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 10:04 AM Response to Reply #2 |
20. keen observation |
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durutti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 01:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I think there are a few factors. |
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durutti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 01:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Another thing... |
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gottaB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-05 02:02 AM Response to Reply #24 |
68. That would lead me to attribute it to institutional funding |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 07:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
57. The idea... |
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durutti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 09:36 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. Re: The idea... |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 09:51 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. I would consider.. |
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brindis_desala (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-05 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
3. empirical evidence only reinforces prejudice |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-05 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
4. difference is different than parity. |
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fortyfeetunder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-05 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
5. Why don't they explainiate this one? |
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ChairOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-05 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
6. I've taught em both math - girls tend to be a bit better overall... |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 12:20 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I think it is cultural |
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phylny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 09:23 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Professors seem to make such a difference! |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 04:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. Most of my teachers were male - |
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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 04:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
35. especially in a subject one has trouble with |
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Lexingtonian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
7. Saletan joins the morons |
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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 12:15 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. doesn't Harvard have very few tenured women faculty? |
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Lexingtonian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 01:12 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. quite true |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 02:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. Not entirely correct |
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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 04:47 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. his point was on tenured vs. non-tenured faculty |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 05:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. He/she was talking about tenured faculty |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 07:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
58. "pretends that a correlation is not meaningful from causation" |
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sweetbutterfly (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
11. Harvard |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 09:33 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Just ask Cornell West. |
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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 04:38 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. exactly. Summers single handedly destroyed the only good dept they had |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 05:27 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. The only good department? |
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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 05:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. okay, an exaggeration |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 06:15 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Not true in the sciences |
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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 06:17 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. ok, I'll accept that |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 06:20 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. It's cool :-) |
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femme.democratique (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 04:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
36. Higher education in America is really just a conformity factory |
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KnowerOfLogic (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 05:15 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. As is lower education. nt |
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American Tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 07:03 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. I have never really understood the appeal of high-end education |
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Zing Zing Zingbah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 10:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
66. I totally agree. I think you've nailed it. n/t |
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China_cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
12. I wonder if my niece, |
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phylny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
13. Boys are more likely to have communication disorders |
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trof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
14. Appeal to all: Read "Brain Sex". |
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phylny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 09:33 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Question |
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trof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 09:38 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. I think from birth, but not sure. |
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phylny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 10:16 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. It's an important distinction |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 07:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
60. the answer is yes and no |
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cags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 02:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. I agree, Its also not only about ability but about desire |
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KnowerOfLogic (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 05:19 PM Response to Reply #14 |
42. It is far to soon to be making assumptions about 'brain differences' |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 05:33 PM Response to Reply #14 |
45. I read that book back in the 60s and it convinced me that we are different |
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Zing Zing Zingbah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 10:25 PM Response to Reply #14 |
67. What's funny is that in my family |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
16. I believe Summers was commenting on the lack of female tenured profs... |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
22. Tell my sister, the engineer, that she's not suitable for mathematics |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-05 02:39 PM Response to Reply #22 |
69. If you'd read "Brain Sex" it explains what causes the exceptions. |
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UncleSepp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
25. If there are "male" and "female" brain types |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 02:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Sure, just climb into this fMRI machine |
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UncleSepp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-05 04:57 PM Response to Reply #27 |
70. I agree |
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yella_dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
30. I'm a math geek |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
31. my nience who has a over a 4.0 |
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ChairOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 05:18 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. How exactly does one get *over* a 4.0? eom |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 06:00 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. i'm not sure how it's calculated |
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ChairOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 06:14 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Ok - new to me tho... - so just what *is* the theoretical max? |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 06:17 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. 4.0 |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 06:17 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. college prep/advanced placement classes = 4.0+ |
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sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 06:24 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. i know some high schools give 4.33 for an A+ |
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Piltdown13 (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 08:33 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. Or something like that |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
34. That article is worse than the comments. |
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Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
37. If we are too complacent on this.... |
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KnowerOfLogic (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
38. *Women* have to stop putting up with this crap. At every step |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
55. calling bullshit on this genetic disparity argument |
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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 07:21 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. this article certainly doesn't make a convincing case |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 09:24 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. self deleted |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
59. Consider world and US public funding for education and private funding |
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Zing Zing Zingbah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-05 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
65. I was so annoyed when I heard about this report on the news. |
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geniph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-05 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
71. This is such an American belief, |
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