"U.S. in danger of losing the war " -- headline in two major dailies

[Bozita]

Article was published in both the Detroit News and Detroit Free Press. Headline article, frontpage.

This is one of the few occasions where the JOA benefits the public.

http://www.freep.com/news/nw/iraq22e_20050122.htm

U.S. in danger of losing the war

Analysis finds troubling trends in Iraq: Rising fatalities, attacks

January 22, 2005

BY TOM LASSETER and JONATHAN S. LANDAY
FREE PRESS WASHINGTON STAFF

BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Unless something dramatic changes, the United States is heading toward losing the war in Iraq.

A Knight Ridder Newspapers analysis of U.S. government statistics shows the U.S. military steadily losing ground to the predominately Sunni Muslim insurgency in Iraq.

The analysis suggests that, short of a newfound will by Iraqis to reject the insurgency or a large escalation of U.S. troop strength, the United States won't win the war.

Military thinkers say insurgencies are especially hard to defeat because the insurgents' goal isn't to win in a conventional sense but to survive until the will of the occupying power is sapped. Recent polls suggest an erosion of support among Americans for the war.

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[RockStar]

1. We will never leave Iraq

Every insurgent you kill becomes a martyr, which encourages 10 more. That's not going to do us any good. How do you propose on stabilizing the area? Puppet governments don't do any good either...they just end up rife with corruption. We're in this for the LONG HAUL, my friends. We're STILL in Japan and Germany...six DECADES after we beat them. We're still in Korea. Hell, believe it or not, we're still in Grenada.

And we'll be in Iraq when your grandchildren are approaching retirement age.

No we wont lose nor will we leave.

[Dr Ron]

9. Peace with Honor

Sooner or later they will declare we have achieved peace with honor as with Vietnam and leave. Hopefully sooner (but I'm not very optimistic of that).

[RockStar]

11. Not according to PNAC we will never leave. I hope im wrong

Here's the summary of the way it all went down:
1. A number of Right-Wing Republican neocons wrote up the "Project For A New American Century"
plan (PNAC), a blueprint for the US to:
According to PNAC, America must:
* Reposition permanently based forces to Southern Europe, Southeast Asia
and the Middle East;
* Modernize U.S. forces, including enhancing our fighter aircraft,
submarine and surface fleet capabilities;
* Develop and deploy a global missile defense system, and develop a
strategic dominance of space;
* Control the "International Commons" of cyberspace;
* Increase defense spending to a minimum of 3.8 percent of gross domestic
product, up from the 3 percent currently spent.
See this url for more info:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm
2. Saddam wanted Iran (Iraq's enemy) to believe that he still had WMD's,
so he wouldn't cooperate with WMD inspectors. If Iran thought that Saddam
didn't have WMD's (which in fact he did not), then Iraq could potentially be
attacked by Iran.
3. Bush wanted to go into Iraq from "Day 1" of his administration, because
it was the PNAC plan (see item #1) above, and because Saddam at one point put
a "hit" out on Bush Senior.
4. The Bush administration setup the "office of Special Plans" in the Pentagon

I suggest that you all read the whole PNAC document. It was signed by Wolfoshitz, Cheney, etc, and its a blueprint for what they have been doing and plan to do. It's all in black and white and they signed it.

[sendero]

21. PNAC...

.... has to be losing credibility at light speed.

The American public will not put up with that agenda once it is made clear. Sentiment towards the Iraq war is already on an accellerating negative trajectory.

Americans are going to be a lot harder sell in the future than they were in the 911 recovery phase. And trust me on this, even many conservatives see the mendacity in the administration's ever-changing justification for invading Iraq. Even fundies have to believe, on some level, that their actions are moral to continue to support them.

Bush** and his agenda are at an apogee at this moment in time, I really believe that.

[Lexingtonian]

14. we're not in Vietnam anymore

And Iraq is just a replay of that game.

We all know that the neocon planning is grandiose crap and means nothing. Well, it means going after people they already didn't like, and not much more. All this talk is just the marketing.

Yeah, fat chance the U.S. gets to keep those military bases being built there. Sounds rather like a typical Bush Administration deal- build them with half the money, let your buddies steal the other half, send a chunk back to the GOP. No one wants those bases, no one needs them, and the sucker is the American taxpayer.

[Erika]

2. On C-Span today

I listened to those who said Bush's fallacy was believing this war could be won. It will become a question as to how many of our troops he wishes to sacrifice as he balances that against corporate profits of his donors.

[RockStar]

3. NeoCons found a gulible President in Bush JR. They tried to get other Pres

to attack IRAQ. In 1998 the Neocons tried to get Clinton to depose Saddam, but his Realist policy advisors wouldn't hear of it. They knew what a disaster it would be. So did the advisors of Bush Sr!

[Erika]

5. Bush Sr knew in 1991 that we didn't

belong in Iraq. Now, with over 1,300 of our troops dead and over 100,000 innocent Iraqis dead , Bush Jr. still pretends we can "win" this war. It's ironic really, Bush chose to go after a tin horn dictator with a 5th rate military in a third world country, and we are still there. Even though there has been great loss of life, Bush donor's have known profits beyond their greatest dreams. Bush's America. Sacrifice of the poor for the benefit of the rich.

[DrWeird]

4. US Lost War, Takes Two Years to Admit Possibility.

How fucking stupid do you have to be not to have seen any of this coming?

[Erika]

6. Thousands of Americans said not in my name

did they want Bush to attack Iraq. The arrogant sob did anyway.

[RockStar]

7. Remember were not going no-where for a long long long time. More

US Deaths will happen..More soldiers will come home in coffins and body bags. Look at history! NO WE WILL NOT LEAVE IRAQ

[DrWeird]

8. Thousands more said "lets kill the sand niggers"

nt

[RockStar]

10. Project for a NEW AMERICA

Here's the summary of the way it all went down:
1. A number of Right-Wing Republican neocons wrote up the "Project For A New American Century"
plan (PNAC), a blueprint for the US to:
According to PNAC, America must:
* Reposition permanently based forces to Southern Europe, Southeast Asia
and the Middle East;
* Modernize U.S. forces, including enhancing our fighter aircraft,
submarine and surface fleet capabilities;
* Develop and deploy a global missile defense system, and develop a
strategic dominance of space;
* Control the "International Commons" of cyberspace;
* Increase defense spending to a minimum of 3.8 percent of gross domestic
product, up from the 3 percent currently spent.
See this url for more info:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm
2. Saddam wanted Iran (Iraq's enemy) to believe that he still had WMD's,
so he wouldn't cooperate with WMD inspectors. If Iran thought that Saddam
didn't have WMD's (which in fact he did not), then Iraq could potentially be
attacked by Iran.
3. Bush wanted to go into Iraq from "Day 1" of his administration, because
it was the PNAC plan (see item #1) above, and because Saddam at one point put
a "hit" out on Bush Senior.
4. The Bush administration setup the "office of Special Plans" in the Pentagon

I suggest that you all read the whole PNAC document. It was signed by Wolfoshitz, Cheney, etc, and its a blueprint for what they have been doing and plan to do. It's all in black and white and they signed it.

[BeHereNow]

20. Welcome to DU RockStar-

We actually have massive threads and collections
about the PNAC documents in the archives-
Most of us old timers have read it but since there are new
people coming to DU every day, it is important to keep
posting about it because many people are not
aware of it, so thanks!
It's amazing that there has been such a media blackout about
just exactly is proposed in the Rebuilding America's Defenses
document. Bill Moyers is the only journalist I know
of who exposed the insanity in it and the fact that
the people who wrote it were now in power.
SCARY indeed.

BHN

[Warren DeMontague]

12. In other late-breaking news, "President in Danger of Being Full of Shit"

...film at 11.

[jokerman93]

13. If we lose

If we lose there can be no disengenuous declaration of victory and withdrawal. The world is watching this under a microscope. If Bushco loses Iraq, it most likely means the Neocon vision of an American "New World Order" will die consequently.

I'm speculating they're about to get desperate.

[LynnTheDem]

15. We already lost. Long ago.

The day America became "that kind of nation"; the kind that wages supreme crime unprovoked wars of aggression.

And the final tally of just how much we've lost won't be known for years. But it's gonna be one hell of a huge tally.

[Disturbed]

16. 2006

The Bush Junta will cling to their Iraqi territory until the Paleo-Conservatives cut off the funds to save their own political positions.

[reprehensor]

17. bump...

[Bluebear]

18. How convenient that the MSM awakens after the re-selection

[Parche]

19. iraq

Its not a WAR, its an illegal invasion

[Deja Q]

22. It's amazing how MANY media $ource$ are saying we're losing...

and to change our tactics or pull out.

And, what a surprise, the same media is also hyping Iran as being a big danger...


It's all so disgustingly obvious. And people will swallow it anyway.