AN AMERICAN ACTIONS FOR REGIME CHANGE IN IRAN “INEVITABLE”.

[norml]

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AN AMERICAN ACTIONS FOR REGIME CHANGE IN IRAN “INEVITABLE”.
By Safa Haeri
Posted Saturday, January 22, 2005





PARIS, 23 Jan. (IPS) Slowly but surely, the United States is preparing local and international public opinion for concrete action against the Islamic Republic of Iran, now tagged as the main “outpost of tyranny”, Iranian and western analysts and diplomats says.

In his inaugural speech, President George W. Bush warned "the rulers of outlaw regimes" to ease restrictions on dissent and declared that victory over terrorism required promoting freedom around the globe.

"It is the policy of the United States to seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world".
"It is the policy of the United States to seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world", the 51 years-old US President said, pointing his fingers at regimes like those of Iran, Cuba, Syria, North Korea or Zimbabwe.

He was echoing earlier statements by both Vice-President Dick Cheney and the newly installed State Secretary Condoleezza Rice.

"You look around the world at potential trouble spots, Iran is right at the top of the list", Mr. Cheney said Thursday in an interview with radio host Don Imus, hours before being sworn in to a second term.


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[daydreamer]

1. hawks in the Pentagon have been urging a limited ....

The Emperor of Vulgarity
By Mike Carlson


George Bush's second inaugural extravaganza was every bit as repugnant as I had expected, a vulgar orgy of triumphalism probably unmatched since Napoleon crowned himself emperor of the French in Notre Dame in 1804.

The little Corsican corporal had a few decent victories to his escutcheon. Lodi, Marengo, that sort of thing. Not so this strutting Texan mountebank, with his chimpanzee smirk and his born-again banalities delivered in that constipated syntax that sounds the way cold cheeseburgers look, and his grinning plastic wife, and his scheming junta of neo-con spivs, shamans, flatterers and armchair warmongers, and his sinuous evasions and his brazen lies, and his sleight of hand theft from the American poor, and his rape of the environment, and his lethal conviction that the world must submit to his Pax Americana or be bombed into charcoal.
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fur full text: Sydney Morning Herald: http://smh.com.au/articles/2005/01/21/1106110942667.html?oneclick=true

[glitch]

4. I love how this guy writes. Excellent article, thanks for posting. nt

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

24. :(

:shrug:

[glitch]

33. ?

Hopefully you realize I was responding to the post above mine, not the writer of the article at the top of the thread - is that why you're frowning?

[LynnTheDem]

2. Allll by ourselves....gonna be, alll by ourselves....

And with what army???

[SoCalDem]

3. What army?? The Grandma & Grandpa Brigade

just like the traveling road show of "Granny get Your Gun"...

[LynnTheDem]

6. Oh cool...the solution to Social Security as well...a TWOFER!

:D

[SoCalDem]

8. and then the taxpayers can provide the medicines they need

by funneling money from the military to the drug mfgs.. It has now morphed into a ....T R I F E C T A ...:):)

[LynnTheDem]

10. WOW!!! ANOTHER TRIFECTA!!!

Watch out...bush will wanna hire you for such ideas! LOL!!!

:D

[renaissanceguy]

37. It's called a DRAFT.

Yet another broken campaign promise, brought to you by Bush/Halliburton.

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues/479727
http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues/479723

[pretzel4gore]

5. yeah sure....

the busheviks are looking at prison, if not worse, after conning the US into illegal iraq war; anyone thinks the busheviks have plans for Iran (Persia) is a dupe. They're trying to buy the filthy bush perverts time by distracting attention and manufacturing a 'crisis' outta whole cloth etc...besides, Iran is not iraq, fulla cia agents and knowlegable about the role of western powers, esp. the US/britain, in the status quo...everything bushinc does is to buy time. They would attack iran if they could but they in enough trouble as is....

[norml]

32. And I didn't think that they really intended to invade and occupy Iraq.

They intend to invade and occupy Iran. They are not part of the reality based community. We better start opposing sanctions right now. We've seen how sanctions can be used as the first step to war.

[pretzel4gore]

44. the busheviks work back from results....cart before horse...

the results of an actual shooting war with Iran would unite planet behind Iran....and Iraqi resistance. Bushinc knows that. But it does fillup newstime talking about it; it maybe even force Iranian leaders to make sneak deals etc, but believe me, the only thing sacred to the busheviks is survival.....they know any exposure of truth, which a quiet period in the media might allow, would destroy them, and the mediawhores like friedman....these pigs are fighting for their lives. I wish DU'ers would see the game as determined not by its refereeing or goal counter, much less the play on the field, but as who's reporting the score in the mass media! There you have it....Iran, Iraq, invading Mars, you name it, are all sideshows from the issue....who tells the herd what to think.....and bush is losing cuz the herd, stupid as it seems, isn't really stupid....
i recall that the busheviks run everything past focus reaction groups...there's a whole industry around the country where the public is gauged on how it react to some government action; often several different actions, each slightly different, are tested simultaneously....the busheviks, often hiding behind false front, using legit organization's names etc, do constant polling, with special emphasis on the bush support core.....and this gives them room, and time, to stay out front of the tsunami that will soon catch up to them.....email friedman and tell him 'you lying traitor, jail's too good for yall!'
:) ;)

[Leilani]

7. Self-delete

[McKenzie]

9. Now I wonder if Bliar will acquiesce a second time

the first time he knelt down. This time he'd be bending over.

Can't look into the crystal ball and predict the outcome. However, it might just be the final straw (there's a really obscure pun in there...really obscure) and lead to him losing his leadership of the party.

[mordarlar]

42. I got the pun ; )

And he is none too happy right now.

[gorky]

11. NY Times endorses Iran war

Thomas Friedman of New York Times has started pimping for war with Iran.
So it is just a matter of time .....

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/01/20/opinion/edfried.html

Quote :

Funnily enough, the one country on this side of the ocean that would have elected Bush is not in Europe, but the Middle East: It's Iran, where many young people apparently hunger for Bush to remove their despotic leaders, the way he did in Iraq.

An Oxford student who had just returned from research in Iran told me that young Iranians were "loving anything their government hates," such as Bush, "and hating anything their government loves." Tehran is festooned in "Down With America" graffiti, the student said, but when he tried to take pictures of it, the Iranian students he was with urged him not to. They said it was just put there by their government and was not how most Iranians felt.

Iran, he said, is the ultimate "red state." Go figure.

[daleo]

12. Agreed, this is a bad sign

Once this bastard starts war mongering you know it is a matter of when, not if.

[Rican1]

13. I'm sure they'll greet our soldiers

with flowers and candy

[raysr]

14. All of this is

about Isreal. I watched a program on FSTV the other nite how the Isrealis control our news media.

[genieroze]

23. You maybe right, but not about Israel controlling our media

Read this

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1106191077589

[pretzel4gore]

45. Israel depend totally upon US support

therefore, cheney's a liar, Israel would prep any 'surprise' with its main backer, and the Jerusalem Post is a bushit newspaper. The idea is to create such a terrible sense of dread that the nazipoos can go away giggling, but fuckem...fuckem to hell
We know they are conning us (the public) and that's the news, only news. They are conning us. period

[Redstone]

16. Who is this Friedman asshole to claim that

"many young people apparently hunger for Bush to remove their despotic leaders, the way he did in Iraq."

Do those young Iranians also "hunger" for 100,000 of their fellow citizens to be slaughtered, as happened in Iraq?

He's making all this up, and should be fired. Some fucking "journalist" this clown is.

Sorry for the harsh word, but this kind of "journalistic" whoring for the administration turns my stomach.

Redstone

[Erika]

17. We heard this Bushie

bs about how the Iraqis could hardly wait for us to give them freedom.

Bush, the chickenhawks, also paraded Iraqis around to drum up passion against the Iraqi government.

Will the freeper types probably fall again for the Bush bs. Sure.

[Gloria]

38. Here's an Iranian Blogger--"Independence above freedom"--in other words,

Iranians may may not greet us with flowers, Friedman.


SPIEGEL ONLINE - January 21, 2005, 03:28 PM
URL: http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,337884,00.html

SPIEGEL's Daily Take

The View from Behind the Hijab

With Bush on the offensive against Iran's mullahs, SPIEGEL ONLINE lets a reporter in Teheran blog the opinions of locals. Their message to Washington: We won't give up our independence at any price -- not even for more freedom.

Blogging From Iran

While Bush talks about democracy, Iranians say they put independence above freedom.

AFP
While Bush talks about democracy, Iranians say they put independence above freedom.
With the world holding its breath and looking toward Iran as America's next front in the war on terror, journalist Nahid Siamdoust is in Teheran, trying to gauge the feeling of the people there first hand. Her take: Even among critics of the mullahs, no one there is thrilled by the prospect of a US attack -- nor are they shocked by the news that appeared in the recent New Yorker article that America has already been secretly operating in the county.

Siamdoust recently returned to her homeland as a journalist. She and her family left Iran after her elementary school was bombed during the Iran-Iraq war. She grew up in Germany, Australia and the United States, where she got a master's degree in international relations from Columbia University. SPIEGEL ONLINE has set up a special Web site for her, from which she'll be blogging about the situation in Iran. (Here's the link for those of you can read German).

Her most recent entry is about the current feeling about the US in Iran. Even the most politically apathetic are skeptical of the Americans' intentions. She quotes 22 year-old student Maryam Fardi, who like many young people in Iran is not interested in politics, as saying, "America has been wanting to march in here for two years. So it doesn't come as a surprise that they've been working here undercover, does it?"

Visiting Tehran's Hosseinieh Ershad mosque, a favorite meeting place of reformists, Siamdoust finds an unusual level agreement with the mullahs among their usually-vocal critics. "In the history of the Islamic Republic, there has rarely been such political and ideological agreement as on the nuclear question," Sadeq Zibakalam, a professor of politics at the University of Tehran, tells her. Siavash Babai, a 25-year-old decked out in Pumas and Hugo Boss, tells her the US is being unfair. "Are research and development only the rights of the first world?" One of the well-known regulars at the mosque, Iranian journalist Issa Saharkhiz, says the US should stop dreaming about trying to help the Iranian people. "The history of Iranians shows that they will not give up their independence for anything, not even for more freedom."


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[liberalhistorian]

15. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!

OMFG, this just cannot happen. If we think Iraq was bad, imagine what's gonna happen if we pull the same "regime change" bullshit on Iran. Guess what, King George III? Iran's a helluva lot stronger than Iraq was, especially militarily, and there ain't no way they're gonna put up with having their "regime changed", especially since we have no right to decide for them what their country needs.

We can't even hold the line in Iraq, which has no military right now, what the fuck makes that zero-brained chimp think we can do so with a country that actually has a strong military and a determined populace? Jesus H. Christ, Iran would make Iraq look like a picnic with Mickey Mouse and his Wonderful World of Disney friends. The ignorant arrogance of the neocons and their boy king impostor is just beyond breathtaking.

And I simply cannot believe any American, let alone any other country, would be fucking stupid enough to even consider letting Chimpy do something like that, especially after the mess that's Iraq. I can just imagine what the rest of the world will do. God Almighty, we've lost our collective minds as a country if we allow this to happen, and we're gonna pay dearly for it. And if anyone thinks this "endless war on tyranny" scenario can play out without the draft being reinstated, I've got a bridge in the Florida Everglades to sell you.

Even if you believe the war in Iraq was the right thing, how can they possibly think invading Iran would be anything short of a total disaster and lead to horrible consequences for us, including possible nuclear action against us?

[The Zanti Regent]

19. "cause the Bible tells me so..."

You got at leat 59 million plus pinheads voting for Bush believing this Armageddon shit!

[genieroze]

22. I know what you mean, Iraq didn't have WMD's Iran does and they will

use them. * is insane.

[reprobate]

28. Please don't take this the wrong way, but it may be best for us to attack.

I certainly don't mean it would be best for the * administration. For them it would be the worst thing they could do. It might even end the republican party for the foreseeable future.

And I don't mean that the huge loss of American lives that would result from a land attack on Iran would be a good thing (except that it would reflect terribly on bush).

What I want to say is that I am getting god damned tired of the nationalism and militarism we are seeing in this country now. Even my satellite dish now received the Pentagon Channel. I hate this beating of war drums everywhere you look.

That's why I say that a sound military defeat may be the best thing for our nation in the long run. It may teach us once and for all that violence is not the best way to solve problems. I may show us that when you try to dominate you'd better be damned sure of yourself and your capabilities. And it may show us that peace is more profitable in the long run than war.

Or maybe I'm alone in believing this. I don't care. It's the right way.

God Help America.

[Dhalgren]

30. I can't fucking believe it, either!

You're right, we have no army left to fight with. If the Empire started drafting right now they'd be hard pressed to put any legions in Iran before next year. It is hard to imagine the American public putting up with an invasion of Iran - but the gods know, I've been wrong about the American public before...

[JDPriestly]

18. Iranians Know Perfectly Well How To Change Regimes

They brought down the Shah without our help. If they really want to bring down their current government, they can and will do it all by themselves. I don't doubt they want a change, but we don't need to intervene. It would cause a backlash and be counterproductive.

[pretzel4gore]

46. In fact we're helping the Mullahs...

just like the constant threat to the people kept the communists in power for a generation in russia (to the BFEE's benefit)

[distantearlywarning]

20. We are Germany. We are the Nazis.

I came to this conclusion last month, and it scared the living hell out of me. What do evil dictators do? They invade other countries under false pretenses. That's what Hitler did. That's what we're doing too.

Now I keep asking myself: "What should I do"? and "What would I have done if I lived in Nazi Germany? What could I have done?"

[Eloriel]

27. Yeah. Here's something I find profoundly ironic

Throughout my life, from my teens on, I have always been fascinated by the horror and evil that was Nazi Germany, and especially how the Germans could have gone along with it all. Now we can all see for ourselves, huh?

Here's one of the most interesting and IMO important articles on that very subject:

They Thought They Were Free
http://www.thirdreich.net/Thought_They_Were_Free.html

[bobbieinok]

34. part of excerpt

....

"You will understand me when I say that my Middle High German was my life. It was all I cared about. I was a scholar, a specialist. Then, suddenly, I was plunged into all the new activity, as the universe was drawn into the new situation; meetings, conferences, interviews, ceremonies, and, above all, papers to be filled out, reports, bibliographies, lists, questionnaires. And on top of that were the demands in the community, the things in which one had to, was "expected to" participate that had not been there or had not been important before. It was all rigmarole, of course, but it consumed all one's energies, coming on top of the work one really wanted to do. You can see how easy it was, then, not to think about fundamental things. One had no time."

....

You can see how easy it was, then, not to think about fundamental things. One had no time."

[genieroze]

21. Uh

:wtf:

[kineneb]

25. here we go again

ooooh, they got weapons and they are terrorists, so we have to go in and overthrow them. Total folly. I can say from personal experience that while the Iranian people may want a different government, they don't want one that is imposed on them.

[NuttyFluffers]

26. A faked '9/11' is coming, simple as that.

they need americans whipped up into a frenzy and petrified with fear. they need a war in iran and they need bodies to throw into that meat grinder. how to get what they want?

fake a terrorist disaster. they are gonna let it happen or make it happen on purpose.

a faked '9/11' is coming, 'cause bush needs another war.

[Dhalgren]

31. But it will have to be somewhere else.

In some other country - Israel, maybe. If another 9/11 happens during Caligula's reign, it can be turned against him and his supporters. But if it happens to someone else, some country we have a lot of inbred sympathy for, (Isreal) the fundies can be whipped into a slobbering frenzy of "Armageddon/rapture/bornagain/bloodofthelamp/kingdomofheaven/inheritthekearth/killtheragheads" big old hardon woody for killing. It will be a scary thing to see...

[NuttyFluffers]

41. hmm, perhaps, but i doubt it.

americans are pretty inured against terrorist happenings in israel. part of it has to do with the frequency, and thus lack of surprise. another has to do with the suspicion and disgust others have with israeli policies, so they wouldn't be surprised or overly whipped up to go to war. and the other is a lot of conservatives, especially dominionists (them psycho death cult christians) really hate jews -- they'd love the excuse to war, any excuse will do, but they couldn't give a flaming toss for israel outside of kickstarting the rapture, but the horror would have to be immense and they know it. that and if it was israel just about no one would join our coalition, the pariah status is heavy with them and it'd be sheer madness step into those tar pits. it still could be israel, but i seriously doubt it.

it'd have to be an american target. americans are notoriously apathetic of what goes beyond their borders. there's a reason PNAC said a 'pearl harbor' was needed, it has to be close to home to justify getting off the sofa and turning off the tv. perhaps an embassy or a base, but i expect with the lax security, lack of initiative to create better security measures, and deliberate bankrupting of states' security funds with all this traffic light garbage, that the fabricated incident will be guided to an american target. sneaky bastards are gonna try to play americans the fool a second time...

[Betty]

29. And where are the troops going to come from?

They don't have enough as it is for all the bullshit they're doing in Iraq.

[Earth_First]

35. Anyone feel that?

It's getting awfully drafty.

[Gloria]

39. No, they will drop bombs. The Army won't be the main action

in terms of Iran. Clark says the Air Force is in great shape...

[Earth_First]

40. Yet another branch to sh*t on then...

overextend and deploy the Air Force now? Yikes!

[norml]

43. You can't grab the oil contracts and the other contracts without the Army

being sent into Iran. Iran has the World's fourth largest reserve of oil, after Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Kuwait.

[RockStar]

36. Very True!! Welcome to the Jungle