Majority of Americans OPPOSED invading Iraq; how to UNSPIN RW media:

[LynnTheDem]

Here's a PERFECT example of the "liberal media" rightwingnut spinmachine in action. We all remember the polls that showed a "majority" of Americans, some 60%, supported bush's invasion back in March-April, 2003.

The RW pundits went on and on and on about that 60% support. They were lying (intent to deceive).

Constantly the US StenoMedia takes whatever result is BEST FOR BUSH and lists that result FIRST, including in their news ledes, even though most times that result DEPENDS ON SEVERAL "IFS". The other results which DO NOT depend on any or as many "IFS" they leave off entirely or list waydownatthebottomofthepage.

Here's one such article:

Lede;

Poll: Most back war, but want U.N. support

As if the wanting UN suport would just be a nice thing to have, but not necessary. Notice nowhere in the title does it mention that "most back war" ONLY IF THE UN ALSO BACKED THE WAR and ONLY IF BUSH WENT FOR A 2nd UN RESOLUTION.

Now look at their choice of order for listing the various results:

1. By a 2-to-1 ratio, Americans favor invading Iraq with U.S. ground troops to remove Saddam Hussein from power. Not since November 2001 have they approved so overwhelmingly. Nearly six in 10 say they're ready for such an invasion "in the next week or two."

2. But that support drops off if the U.N. backing being sought by the United States, Britain and Spain Monday is not obtained. If the U.N. Security Council rejects a resolution paving the way for military action, only 54% of Americans favor a U.S. invasion.

3. And if the Bush administration does not seek a final Security Council vote, support for a war drops to 47%.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-03-16-poll-iraq_x.htm

NOTICE that the FIRST 2 RESULTS DEPEND ENTIRELY ON THE ACTION IN THE THIRD RESULT being undertaken!

The result the media listed as #3 is actually THE FIRST, FOREMOST RESULT.

Now relist these results into proper order and suddenly it's a whole 'nother story:

1. If the Bush administration does not seek a final Security Council vote, support is 47%.


2. IF the bush admin DO seek a final SS vote, AND IF the U.N. Security Council rejects that 2nd vote, THEN support is 54%


3. IF the bush admin DO seek a final SS vote, AND IF the UN APPROVE the resolution for invasion, THEN support is 60%

bush swore he WOULD seek that 2nd vote "NO MATTER WHAT"..and several days later he FLIP-FLOPPED and cancelled his request for a 2nd vote.

The MAJORITY of Americans said they DID NOT SUPPORT an invasion UNLESS bush tried for that 2nd vote.

Always look for the spin; if it's MSM, it's there.

[bvar22]

1. I am cursed with a memory.

I have confronted bush* supporters with these FACTS, and they look at me like I'm crazy.

More than 50 per cent of Americans supported waiting for the UN Resolution (and inspections). I REMEMBER THAT!

Support for the War Against the Iraqi People DID increase to 70 per cent ONLY AFTER the war was started and the Right Wing Media was SCREAMING 24/7 that if you didn't support the bush*s INVASION, you were a TRAITOR.

I think many Democrats have forgotten (conveniently in some cases) that the MAJORITY of the Americans were opposed to a "Rush to Kill Iraqis".

Thanks for the collection of FACTS!

[LynnTheDem]

2. Most the polls saying "60% support invasion" didn't even list the "IFs"

or any of the other results at all.

The Majority of DUers Support Shutting Down DU

A poll today shows a majority -98%- of DU members support the permanent shutting down of the DU board.

http;//mainstream media spinmachine.com

Now we go to the guts of the actual poll, and we find this in the guts, but not mentioned at all in the media article:

-The majority, 98%, support shutting down DU...IF it would cost Skinner his house, his car, and selling his entire family into slavery to pay the costs of keeping DU open and IF every single member of DU would be required to pay $10,000 each towards the costs of running the DU and IF another less costly board could be opened elsewhere unde4r a new board name.

-No DU members (other than freepo-fascists masquerading on the board as progressives) support the shutting down of the DU board unless costs of running DU were prohibitive to make continuing the board unpraticable.

And link to the polls your memory is correct about:

Support For War With Iraq Weakens

Wednesday, January 22, 2003; Page A01

Seven in 10 Americans would give U.N. weapons inspectors months more to pursue their arms search in Iraq, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll that found growing doubts about an attack on Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23564-2003Jan21.html

[tsuki]

3. "Enemy of the state, and what's wrong with America." That's

what we were called.

[LynnTheDem]

4. Oh yes, and "saddam lovers", "saddam loyalists", "traitors",

and every cussword known to mankind.

Including "LIBERAL" said with a sneer.

Although when the very many REPUBLICANS who spoke out (and still speak out) OPPOSING bush's illegal war of aggression are pointed out to the rightwingnuts, they become strangely quiet.

Rightwingnuts have a very difficult time dealing with Reality smacking them upside their silly little heads.