USA trained Iraqi troops are torturing and raping men, women, and children

[NNN0LHI]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1504&ncid=1504&e=1&u=/afp/20050125/ts_afp/iraq_050125122017

Iraqi troops accused of torture, judge slain in grim run-up to poll

BAGHDAD (AFP) - Gunmen shot dead a top Iraqi judge as charges that Iraqi forces were torturing suspects brought a grim reminder of Saddam Hussein's regime just days before elections are due to usher in democracy.

Accusations that Iraqi troops are using electric shocks on captives' genitals and earlobes and that male and female Iraqi detainees are subject to forced sodomy, cigarette burns and beatings, came from two civil rights groups. snip

"Unlawful arrest, long-term incommunicado detention, torture and other ill-treatment of detainees (including children) by Iraqi authorities have become routine and commonplace," the group said in a 94-page report entitled, "The New Iraq? Torture and Ill-treatment of Detainees in Iraqi Custody," released Monday. snip

In one case, an "elderly Iraqi woman reported having been sodomized with a stick" while in another instance, investigators found "there was probable cause to believe" three soldiers committed the offenses of murder and conspiracy.

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[LynnTheDem]

1. Oh no...no no no no no! You GOTTA be kidding.

TELL ME YER KIDDING.

"The New Iraq? Torture and Ill-treatment of Detainees in Iraqi Custody,"

Well done bush. Your record for f*cking up everything you touch is unbroken.

[mopaul]

2. We conquered the Nazis, so now it's o.k. to emulate them

but them damn heathen muslims, they behead people for christ's sake.

[LynnTheDem]

5. Watch the world-record HYPOCRISY as the rightwingnuts call this TORTURE

They won't be calling Iraqi troops doing EXACTLY what US troops do "just fun and games"..."just letting off steam"..."just frathouse antics".

[Rapcw]

9. "Hey, married couples "rape" each other every day!" n/t

[gottaB]

3. adding poignancy to the dispute over exactly how many have been trained

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2005/01/26/iraq10053.htm

[cali]

4. disgusting

but putting the blame for this on U.S. troops seems like a stretch.

[LynnTheDem]

6. A "STRETCH"???

Iraqi troops were TRAINED by US troops; they worked ALONGSIDE the US troops...and now they're doing EXACTLY what US troops were doing (still are doing, according to HRW) to Iraqi detainees, things Iraqis DID NOT DO prior to US troops doing it...and you call it a STRETCH to blame US troops???

Oh wait...yes of course you would call it a "stretch".

I, and likely the vast majorioty of the entire world, will call it "doing what US troops trained them to do".

[cali]

7. Let's just rewrite hx

shall we? There was no torture in Iraq under Saddam. He was a kind and benevolent leader beloved by all. In fact, there's never been any torture anywhere except for that perpetrated by Americans.

For the record, I was adamently against the war. I traveled hundreds of miles on 2 occasions to protest against it. I am for withdrawing our troops, and I fully realize the heinous crimes of this war, but I'm not so naive as to believe that the torture of Iraqis by Iraqis couldn't happen without American influence.

[NNN0LHI]

8. The blame will stay on the USA including you and me...

...until US troops are no longer occupying Iraq. We are all responsible for whatever happens in Iraq, good or bad, until our military leaves. International law is very clear on this subject. You can't hide from it. Google "responsibilities of an occupying power" once.
Don

[LynnTheDem]

11. Yes, good point; under law, including US law, we are totally responsible

for everything in Iraq. And bush's own resolution he forced onto the UN making America the occupier did likewise.

And of course the entire world is going to see that what the US-trained troops/cops are doing is EXACTLY what US troops were doing (are doing?).

I try to stop myself from thinking "WTF will go wrong next???" because I just really don't wanna know. It just keeps getting worse.

[cali]

12. I agree to a certain extent

There's an enormous amount of blame that lands squarely on the U.S., though as I understand it we are no longer technically an occupying force. That doesn't excuse anything. As far as personally accepting blame? Nope, not gonna do it. I've fought against the administration and its policies.

[NNN0LHI]

14. "no longer technically an occupying force"?

The US currently has 150,000 soldiers in Iraq supported by our air force and navy. If they are not occupying that country what are they doing there?

Are you going to try and tell me that because some thug Bush has named interim prime minister of Iraq says he wants US forces to stay that technically makes us not occupiers?

You are joking. Aren't you joking? Because that dog won't hunt for anyone capable of rational thought. Might get Fox viewers to believe it? But I even doubt too many of them would buy into that Bush spin.

Don

[spanone]

10. Well, we trained them didn't we???? What do you expect?

[anarchy1999]

13. Just do a google search on Negroponte, there is no reason to be

surprised when you look at his history, this was to be expected. I know I sure did, I'm just surprised it took so long to be "reported".