I think Bush (Hitler Lite) is planning to Cut n Run - whats really going on

[Guns Aximbo]

I think he's planning on pulling out before the mission is accomplished.

As soon as the "Election" takes place and as soon as the Iraqi's kick us out, Bush will either redeploy or just pull out altogether.

Is this a good thing or bad thing?

What's will happen to Iraq?

Will Iraq explode into a civil war?

Will Iraq suddenly calm them selves down as soon as we leave?

Is it too early for us to claim victory over this bush policy of war?

[mhr]

1. Not LBN

eom

[Guns Aximbo]

4. huh?

[Estel]

2. He has to pull troops out of Iraq

so he can send them to Iran

[wtmusic]

3. No

Redeployment.

Don't forget the reason why we're there in the first place (they're building a new embassy at a cost of 1.5B -- that should tell you something)

[Kota]

5. He doesn't have the oil yet though. I can't see him pulling out

without some sort of control over the oil.

[goddess40]

6. Do we know that?

We wouldn't know if they have been shipping tankers of oil out of Iraq since shortly after we invaded it. The media sure wouldn't tell us if the corporations didn't want us to know.

[Bigmack]

8. I don't think so.....

The pipelines get blown on a regular basis. Somewhere on this forum, I saw the list of attacks on pipelines... 180 of them since the "war" started.

[Kota]

12. We don't know that, remember they said this war would pay

for itself. It hasn't of course. Did they make new plans?

[barb162]

23. I read a while back somewhere the oil quality there is not as high

as they thought so they are not that interested in it anymore. They also found the oil facilities were in real disrepair and it would take billions more to get them really pumping. (I think they think Iran's oil is better)

[radwriter0555]

7. If he pulls out, which he was told to do, then he can send them to Iran

which is the next target, I had heard last fall that this was the intent.

Next, the point isn't to GET the oil to profit from having it, but to profit from keeping the best oil on the planet needing the least refining, from making it to the market, running prices and profits back DOWN.

The best profits are in a shortage, remember, which we're allegedly experiencing, thanks to bush.

[Mizmoon]

9. Before the war I wrote a book of how the war would go

in the end huge numbers of Americans were living in vast homeless camps (patrolled by law enforement drones) and we had just had disasterous elections in the ME and decided to declare victory and run.

[ynksnewyork2]

10. Never happen!!!

We're not leaving until 2006-2007.

[yardwork]

11. busholini will never leave Iraq - he'll leave it for the next president

Whoever gets (s)elected in 2008 will inherit the problem of Iraq, and get blamed for whatever they have to do.

[oc2002]

24. yep, cut and run would be too undefencable...even for him.

..although the corrupt media will play along, Iraq would undoubtably become a haven for all terrorists around the world.

[joytomme]

13. Today Iraq, Tomorrow the world

Last night on The Daily Show, Sy Hersh seemed positive the BushMen plan to attack Iran next, then Syria, then whomever else to totally recreate the Middle East in a fascist take-over.

Hersh envisions the initial attacks on Iran will be by long-range missiles. He says the White House and Pentagon have decided to do this and they will do this.

I'm not so sure. It takes money and we haven't got any in the till. Although the BushMen feel they can just keep raising the deficit and printing funny-money, it is having an effect. The dollar is weak and countries in the world now are balking at lending the US money on the basis of the sales of US products abroad. We're not selling anything...no one wants our stuff.

Our power base is shrinking, so I'm not convinced any of the fascistic plans to rule the world are actually going to happen. But what we have done is weakened ourselves to the point of an economic disaster that will make the 1929 depression look like Wonderland. I am more worried about that than our attacking more countries in the middle east.

Joy Tomme (http://ratfuckdiary.blogspot.com)

[Guns Aximbo]

18. They'll do it alright

They'll use the Cruise missles and such to take out air defenses. Our planes will go in next .... you know the drill.

[yardwork]

22. If we bomb Iran we unleash total disaster on ourselves

We can't take over another country just by bombing them. Heck, we haven't been able to take over Iraq and we're all over it.

Iran is much larger than Iraq. Lots more people. More cities. More wealth. A much stronger government and infrastructure than the shell that Saddam Husssein had left after years of war and sanctions.

I hope that there are enough sane people around busholini to prevent him from attacking Iran. I actually think there are. As much as he and some others would love to attack Iran, I don't think it will happen.

[LittleClarkie]

29. Only if they're continuing the neocon game plan

"We just want piece. Piece of Syria, Piece of Iran, finishing off with nice piece of Saudi Arabia on top.

[Cocoa]

14. I think he's staying

lots of signs Bush isn't nearly ready to go yet.

[txaslftist]

15. Hitler never would have cut and run...

Even as a fascist Shrub doesn't measure up.

[74dodgedart]

16. I think they are targeting the next election--1 yr away.

This election is just for people who will write the constitution, the next election is for actual positions..

There is a tough year ahead between this election and then next.

[Doctor_J]

17. I agree

his media whores will sell it as a win, and we will leave the beginning of civilization a flattened, destitute wasteland. There will be civil war, fighting over the oil, famine and disease - an unmitigated diaster - and the US will hear NONE of it, thanks to the Bush-owned media.

[Guns Aximbo]

19. Yup...

See I told you I get us out! And look they're a democracy! And we won!

Duhhhh Duhhhh Duhhhhh

[Doctor_J]

30. This will be MSM's greatest test

They have made an ignoramus into a statesman, a devout coward into a war hero, an elitist into a man of the people, a pathological liar into a man of God, and a petty dictator into a democrat. Now comes their greatest test - making the biggest military, humanitarian, financial, and diplomatic disaster in the nation's history into a thundering success.

[GiovanniC]

20. We're Not Cutting And Running

It's like the Iraqis are our little children. We will not leave our little children home alone.

We WILL however, go just next door and take care of a few things in Iran, so we'll be close-by if they need us for anything.

[leftchick]

21. No Way! Think "Permanent Presence"....

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2281&ncid=742&e=5&u=/thenation/20050118/cm_thenation/132132

<snip>


Though the media ignored Kerry's statement and failed to do any substantive follow-up research, his comments were well-grounded in reality. On the day of the debate the Christian Science Monitor spotlighted the findings of defense specialist John Pike, whose website, GlobalSecurity.org, located twelve "enduring bases" in Iraq, including satellite photos and names. In March, the Chicago Tribune reported that US engineers were constructing fourteen such long-term encampments--the number Kerry referred to. The New York Times previously placed the number at four.


While the exact figure may change, suspicions of undisclosed US imperial plans--exemplified by permanent military bases--rightfully linger. Before the war, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz suggested moving US troops stationed in Saudi Arabia into Iraq. In October, a survey by the University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes found that two-thirds of respondents disapproved of a permanent military presence, even though more than half thought the US would build the bases anyway.


Now comes a report in the New York Sun by Eli Lake revealing that the Pentagon (news - web sites) is building a permanent military communications system in Iraq, a necessary foundation for any lasting troop presence. The new network will comprise twelve communications towers throughout Iraq, linking Camp Victory in Baghdad to other existing (and future) bases across the country, eventually connecting with US bases in Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Afghanistan (news - web sites).


"People need to get realistic and think in terms of our presence being in Iraq for a generation or until democratic stability in the region is reached," Dewey Clarridge, the CIA (news - web sites)'s former chief of Arab operations (and Iran-contra point man), told the Sun.

[Carl Brennan]

27. Nice post. Thanks nt

[LittleClarkie]

32. Understood, but what they are doing and how they are selling it

are two different things.

How often do you hear about what is still going on in Afghanistan in the news. It is being sold as a success story, and yet over the summer we increased our troop deployment there. Has it gone down since?

They will need to pull some troops out if they plan on going to Iran, but I agree we will have a presence.

It will be a much quieter presence though. They will sell it as being like the one in Germany, a presence in a now pacified land, I reckon. We will make a big show of ending the war, and quietly still be in there.

[Carl Brennan]

33. Here is some more on the 14 permanent bases

The basteeds always planned on a permanent occupation of Iraq. Check out the reply (May, 2004) from huttle where he suggests Kerry use this to differentiate himself from Bush, :


Seemslikeadreams topic:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=571561&mesg_id=571561

14 US Military Bases Under Construction In Iraq
By Pepe Escobar
May 25, 2004, 07:50

Iraqis also know that 14 US military bases are already under construction, enough to accommodate the (for the moment) 110,000 American soldiers who will stay in Iraq until at least 2007. No sovereign Iraqi government has approved the construction of these bases. Kimmitt - the No 2 Pentagon man in Iraq, and the one who launched total war on Fallujah - said the bases are "a blueprint for how we could operate in the Middle East". A ring of US military bases throughout what the Pentagon calls the Greater Middle East is a key element of the neo-conservative-driven strategy to control world energy resources as the way to control the destiny of America's economic rivals - the European Union and Northeast Asia.


One Year On: From Liberation To Jihad


By

"So this is the Bush administration-sponsored "free Iraq" people identify not only in the Sunni triangle but in the Shi'ite south: an occupying power maybe not formally occupying the country any more, but installed in 14 military bases and able to exercise full control on security, the economy and the whole infrastructure. In plain English: a US colony. This is the reason the mob in Fallujah rejoiced in the burning of those American bodies. This is the reason Sunnis and Shi'ites have for now united in anger. And this is the reason the "liberation" has finally turned into a jihad."

On April 9, 2002, Saddam Hussein's statue in Firdaus Square in Baghdad was still enveloped, like a Christo installation, waiting to be unveiled in an official ceremony. On April 9, 2003, the statue was toppled by the US Army, and later replaced by a faceless figure symbolizing "liberation". On April 9, 2004, the faceless statue is plastered with photographs of "outlaw" Shi'ite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

One year after the "fall" of Baghdad, the old colonial maxim "divide and rule" does not apply anymore. For the occupiers, this is the ultimate nightmare: Sunni and Shi'ite, united (almost) as one. From Kirkuk in the north to Karbala in the south, from Fallujah to Nasiriyah, from Ramadi to Baghdad, Iraq is in turmoil - and this is not the work of "Saddam Fedayeen", "remnants of the Ba'ath Party" or "foreign terrorists". This is the beginning of the end: the serious possibility that the Shi'ites - 60 percent or so of the invaded and "liberated" Iraqi population - will be tempted actively to lead the multifaceted Iraqi resistance.

more
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_7942.... <http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_7942.shtml>

[leftchick]

35. you know, the BFEE PNACers are fooling a lot of people...

here is ameriKa. I can't help but wonder what the soldiers on the ground think. They have to see the signs that things are looking pretty long term around Iraq. Like FOEVER! I would hope they will start speaking out more on these bases. Where are they located? Are they near strategic oil interests? Lots of questions....

[Norquist Nemesis]

25. Yes, but "Cut n Run" is being re-labeled...it's now going to be

"dis-invited". They've been saying for a while now that "we're in Iraq at the invitation of the interim government". The pull-out will be done while pointing a finger at the newly installed democratically elected government who asked us to leave (dis-invited). That way, when it goes bad, it's THEIR fault. And if it goes well, it's OUR (specifically Bush's) credit.

[Southern Dem 2005]

26. Shouldn't compare Bush to Hitler

While I really, really don't want G. Bush as my president I think its in poor taste to compare any US politician to Hitler. Hitler was responsible for a war and unspeakable atrocities that killed millions of people. Bush isn't the brightest bulb in the world, and I'm pretty sure he lied to get us into the war in Iraq, but I've not seen any evidence that he wants the same sort of results Hitler sought. In the end, Hitler was evil and Bush is just kind of dense and misguided.

[joytomme]

31. Hitler/Bush

Oh please!!!

Bush isn't running the Bush administration...Karl Rove and Dick Cheney are running the White House and the Pentagon and George W. Clueless Bush with the help of the Carlyle Group.

Their intent is to rule the world.

Given the chance, they will be just as evil in the Middle East as Hitler was in Germany. They are pushing a religious agenda. Even if Rove and Cheney aren't true believers they are using the fanaticism of born-agains to advance their world view.

Rove is bent on the US ruling the world...whatever it takes. He was bent on the Bushmaton being elected...whatever it took...and you may remember how that worked out.

Take crazy-fanaticism, put it together with gullible disenfranchised followers plus military might and you've got another Hitler.

You think it's bad taste to liken the Bush administration to the Third Reich? I think it's wise and prudent to know what we're dealing with.

Joy Tomme (http://ratfuckdiary.blogspot.com)

[w4rma]

36. PNAC = Mein Kampf

Muslims = Jews
Gays = Gays
Iraq = Poland
Democratic Party = German Democratic Party (DDP)
Green Party = Communist Party (KPD)
Ultra-wealthy Republicans are financing the Nazis, again.

[LittleClarkie]

28. If he does that, then "Welcome to Saigon 2005"

And the same people who were in then in the Ford Admin are there now. Rummy and Cheney. I kept saying before the election I didn't want them within 100 miles of an Iraq exit strategy.

Fuck. Fuckfuckfuck.

Yep, Saigon 2005. The Iraq war continues the "Vietnam on crack" parallel I've been seeing for a while.

[Zinfandel]

34. Get Real!

With a dozen or so American Bases being built in Iraq.

With all that oil still in the ground (reserves).

With an invasion of neighboring Iran planned.

And with this administrations need to have constant war to make billions of dollars for oil companies and corporations, not to mention the perfect excuse to gut and kill all New Deal & domestic programs here in this country, because the money is being used to "fight a war on terrorism."

No fucking way are we leaving Iraq!

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. Project for a New A,merican Century

That is all I have to say...

Oh and there is this thing about 14 bases