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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:18 PM
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more finger pointing...Clinton/Gore and 9/11
More angry freeper emails to me about Clinton/Gore blame for 9/11...

(copy of email)
The previous administration KNEW also...why didn't they gather up the suspected terrorist's and deport them?

Probably the same reason GWB didn't do anything...neither took the threat seriously.

The previous administration was more at fault, IMHO than Bush was, because they had 8 yrs of intellegence reports. Bush had been in office less than a yr.

So lets place the blame where it belongs, instead of using it to smear GWB.
(end quote)

I guess I should just drop it and let them think that they are right...but...dammit...I hate giving up...!
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:21 PM
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1. TELL THESE STUPID F***ERS
CLINTON DID NOT HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE REPUG CONGRESS IN ANYTHING AND I MEAN *ANYTHING* HE EVER DID OR TRIED TO DO. In fact, REPUGS wasted untold TIME AND MONEY HARASSING CLINTON INSTEAD OF FIGHTING TERRORISM.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:25 PM
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2. AMEN!!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:49 PM
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3. Clinton knew of New Years 2000 plan - and stopped it - I guess
Clinton was not a better or more skillfull President -

He was just luckier

But I do suggest we need a new president that has better luck than Bush, if that is how we are to explain Bush's failure in every aspect of his jobs to date!

:-)
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:04 PM
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4. This is my response...
Edited on Mon Sep-08-03 11:05 PM by imax2268
This is my response to their emails...

Ok then...you still say that Clinton/Gore were responsible...let's look at it from another perspective...shall we...the following article states how Clinton did not have support from key officials to go after bin laden. Although Counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke wanted to go into Afghanistan, he had no support at all...

How Clinton Team blew chance to hit bin Laden

September 1, 2003

BY ROBERT NOVAK SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

On Oct. 12, 2000, the day of the devastating terrorist attack on the USS Cole, President Bill Clinton's highest-level national security team met to determine what to do. Counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke wanted to hit Afghanistan, aiming at Osama bin Laden's complex and the terrorist leader himself. But Clarke was all alone. There was no support for a retaliatory strike that, if successful, might have prevented the 9/11 carnage.

This startling story is told for the first time in a book by Brussels-based investigative reporter Richard Miniter to be published this week. Losing bin Laden relates that Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, Secretary of Defense William Cohen, Attorney General Janet Reno and CIA Director George Tenet all said no to the attack. I have contacted enough people attending the meeting to confirm what Miniter reports. Indeed, his account is based on direct, on-the-record quotes from participants.

Miniter, who was part of the Sunday Times of London investigation of Clinton vs. bin Laden, has written a bitter indictment of the American president. But by the time of the Cole disaster, with only weeks left in his presidency, Clinton had focused on the terrorist threat. The problem of the Oct. 12 meeting was the caution common to all councils of war. Arguments by participants sounded valid, but collectively they built a future catastrophe.

Al-Qaida's bombing of the billion-dollar U.S. destroyer fulfilled Clarke's prediction of the terrorists seeking U.S. military targets. Hours after the attack, Clarke presided over a meeting of four terrorism experts in the White House Situation Room. He and the State Department's Michael Sheehan agreed this almost certainly was bin Laden's doing, but the FBI and CIA representatives wanted more investigation.

That deadlock preceded a meeting of Cabinet-level officials that same day. Clarke proposed already-targeted retaliation against bin Laden's camps and Taliban buildings in Kabul and Kandahar. At least, they would destroy the terrorist infrastructure. A quick strike might also get bin Laden. ''Around the table,'' Miniter writes, ''Clarke heard only objections.''

Reno, told by the FBI that the terrorists were still unidentified, argued that retaliation violated international law. Reno and the CIA's Tenet wanted more investigation. Albright is quoted as saying that with renewed Israeli-Palestinian fighting, ''bombing Muslims wouldn't be helpful at this time.'' (Albright later told Miniter she would have taken a different position if she had ''definitive'' proof of bin Laden's involvement.)

Cohen's position at the meeting is most surprising. The only Republican in the Clinton Cabinet was the architect of missile attacks on Afghanistan and Sudan after the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Africa. Clarke remembers Cohen saying the attack on the Cole ''was not sufficiently provocative.'' When I contacted him, Cohen said he did not recall this meeting but that ''certainly I regarded the Cole as a major provocation.''

Sheehan, now with the New York City Police Department, did not blame Cohen. ''It was the entire Pentagon,'' he told Miniter, adding he was ''stunned'' by the lack of Defense Department desire to retaliate. After the meeting, Sheehan told Clarke, prophetically: ''What's it going to take to get them to hit al-Qaida in Afghanistan? Does al-Qaida have to attack the Pentagon?''

At the Cabinet-level meeting, only Clarke wanted retaliation. Indeed, he was viewed as a hothead. So much pain has been inflicted, and so much blood has been spilled since then, that the meeting has faded from the memory of its participants--until stirred up by Clarke in Miniter's book.

Less than a month after the Cole disaster, CIA analysts had concluded bin Laden was behind it (though the FBI was still clueless). Osama bin Laden had virtually claimed credit for the most successful attack on a U.S. naval vessel since World War II. He and his gang had escaped to plan greater misery for America.
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Now based on what you have read...do you still think that Clinton & Gore were soley responsible...?
I don't think so...it says that President Bill Clinton's highest-level national security team did not want the attack...nowhere in the article does it say that Clinton refused to or neglected to hit Osama...

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What do you all think...will that work or should I not use it...?
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:09 PM
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5. two words (kind of): Hart-Rudman
'nuff said
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:12 PM
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6. sorry...it's been a long day...
I'm not quite following you...!?!
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 04:22 AM
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10. Hart Rudman
was initiated under Clinton (as was the Gore report). Arguably either of these had enough sugested changes, that if implemented, would have prevented 9/11.

Both were shelved by the Repukes.
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angka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:53 PM
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7. infuriating freeper bullshit
clinton turned over a huge amount of data on bin laden and his plans to hit the US with something spectacular. what a giant crock of shit. the fact that they can admit that people knew 9/11 was coming at all will eat them alive once they realize that their pinhead hero let it happen on purpose.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 12:58 AM
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8. Emails to you??
Are you on some kind of freep board incognito or what? Go to one of their boards and get some of their members comments and highlite them so the idiot freep who's bugging you SEES and READS what they're saying because right now, there's MANY disenchanted freeps who are coming out from under the woodwork and have seen the light of what's going on..they're running with their tinfoil hats and the numbers are mounting..they've seen enough of who and what they elected..They're a bunch of unhappy campers.
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 10:14 AM
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11. no...
I am on another message boards and I didn't take out my email address...so a few comments that I made they looked at my profile and started to email me...I have since fixed the problem...no more emails...
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Jolene Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 01:43 AM
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9. BWAHAHAHA!!!
Edited on Tue Sep-09-03 01:46 AM by Jolene
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/opinion/6268726.htm

Oh, and btw. There were no charges against bin Laden at the time. While a Bush may consider it 'prudent' to bring a suspected terrorist here to live amongst us, I'm not so sure a democrat might feel that way.

I'm sure, though, that bin Laden might have benefited, just like he and Hussein benefited from PROMIS.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 10:31 AM
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12. Guess what?
Edited on Tue Sep-09-03 10:32 AM by JHB
If Clinton had "8 yrs of intellegence reports", then so did Bush! And he had them all at once, not trickling in over 8 years.

He may have been there less than a year, but his people were warned in no uncertain terms that al-Queda was a real and present danger. But Bush's team of "the adults" were too full of themselves to listen to mere "Clinton people", and promptly put counterterrorism on the back burner (cutting people, budgets, priority levels for it, etc.)

Whatever anyone wants to argue about our ability (or lack thereof) to foresee and prevent 9/11 thanks to Clinton, the one undeniable fact is that Bush reduced and impaired that ability to stop it.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 10:48 AM
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13. Nope, sorry
Al Qaeda bided its time, got a good look at the incompetent bunch of frat boys that succeeded Clinton, and then launched their attack. It wasn't a coincidence or mere happenstance that the September 11 attacks occurred during Chimpy's administration, to wit:

The submarine collision with the Japanese fishing boat. Wealthy Bush supporters out joyriding on a sub kill the crew of a Japanese fishing boat. The Bush administration says it's sorry (sort of), cashiers the commander of the sub, but otherwise does nothing. Lesson: Money (from big campaign contributors) talks; hapless Japanese walk. Or drown.

China brings down a U.S. spy plane. After much huffing and puffing, the Bush administration ends the episode with an abject written apology, and has to enlist the Russians to bring back the downed plane in pieces after the Chinese have had a chance to dismantle it and examine it thoroughly. Lesson: Stand tough, and the Bushistas will cave. They also don't care too much about captured military personnel, since the only thing they did for them was to make sure they had Bibles.

Lil George takes August off. He's only been on the job for six months, and off he goes for an entire month, not to mention all the weekends at Camp David and off to the family compound in Maine. By September 11, Lil George has been on leave about 43% of the time, three days out of every seven. Lesson: The squatter in the Oval Office, despite all the machinations to steal the job, doesn't really want it and isn't interested in actually doing anything. The Republicans just wanted to deny the White House to the Democrats.

Although Ashcroft quits flying commercially at the end of July, citing intelligence reports about potential danger, the administration takes no further steps to do anything about reports of terrorism. Lesson: We'll protect our own, if they're high enough up, but the safety and security of the great mass of Americans is not a priority.

After eight months of watching this boob try to run a country, Al Qaeda was assured that its risky plan had a good enough chance to succeed, and September 11 it initiated its deadly scheme. Events since that day, including the stifling of any investigation into the tragedy have proven them to be correct to a degree that should alarm any American of even moderate awareness. This clearly excludes imax's email correspondents.
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nannygoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 11:11 AM
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14. More sources of info...
Republicans Watered Down 1996 Clinton Anti-Terrorism Bill, Thanks to Lott & Hatch
http://www.angelfire.com/rant/sstewert/News/clintonbill.html

Clinton: GOP Listening To 'Gun Lobby Over Law Enforcement'
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/news/9608/10/clinton.radio/index.shtml

Letters to the editor (check out the last one on the page)
"GOP stymied anti-terrorism efforts"
http://www.tcpalm.com/tcp/pj_letters/article/0,1651,TCP_1126_2203114,00.html

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