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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:21 PM Original message |
America is led by a CONVICT! |
George W Bush is a convicted felon.
He is the first con to take the office of President of the United States. The crook got nabbed for drunk driving. And Bush lied about it for years -- as a grown man and an officer of the Texas Air National Guard -- he LIED. The magic of belief doesn't change reality: America is led by a DRUNK DRIVER! And it shows… You know what happens when drunks drive -- the innocent pay. Here's how the other half lives and dies, thanks to the drunk: Hey, Bush! She had ZERO to do with 9-11. You, Bush, OTOH, HAD A LOT TO DO WITH 9-11! |
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mr_hat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. DUI is a felony? |
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Nitrogenica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. That document is genuine. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 12:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Once a crook, always a crook. |
At least that's what Bush's Justice Department says about those they've classed as untermenschen in prison.
In regards to crooks and sinners like Bush, however, they're typically given the chance to "Be Born Again." Along with dropping the sins, the lucky born are able to drop public mention of arrest records. I understand Bush had at least two more. One for stealing a wreath at Christmas time. BTW: That's a hell of a gif ya got going there, jhuth! Excellent work! |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. In Maine there's both -- felony and misdemeanor. |
You bring up a good point. Maybe Bush got convicted of the lesser OUI. On the other hand, the cop that stopped him probably felt some heat from the bosses when it came time to filling out the final report. Who knows what he swore to in front of the judge.
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Not back then |
Drunk driving was still a misdemeanor. You had to hurt somebody to get nailed with a felony.
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 02:32 AM Response to Reply #9 |
34. Then I guess that would make Laura Bush a felon. |
Oh wait, that was jus a lil'ol ackseedent.
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:14 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Bush is still a crook. War criminal, at least. A traitor, most likely. |
For example, about 9-11:
BUSH KNEW Did you know he was warned about Osama bin Laden months before 9-11? Before the CIA briefed him at Crawford during his first month-long vacation in August 2001, he had been “forced” to sleep offshore during the G-8 summit in Genoa. The reason: bin Laden threatened to crash the party with a jet plane. This shows, at BEST, Bush's incompetence enabled 9-11. That makes him criminally derelict in his duty as commander-in-chief, an impeachable offense. What’s more likely, based on the results of his leadership in the three years since, Bush just decided to let 9-11 happen as a reason for building up the world’s first sole-superpower police state. There is no doubt the former counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke, National Security Advisor Sandy Berger and President Clinton personally warned the incoming administration of the dangers posed by bin Laden and Al Quaeda. Later that summer, DCI George Tenet's hair was afire with all the warnings he was getting. How come he didn't get the info about the flight schools from CIA? Perhaps he'duh warned the airlines or even the flying public? It's most LIKELY Bush's incompetence was the result of willfull ignorance. That requires no stretch of the imagination. Consider the following evidence, from JUNE-JULY 2001: Plot to assassinate Bush - reports Bin Laden: Believed to have a network of guerrillas July 9, 2001 Posted: 9:23 AM EDT (1323 GMT) MOSCOW, Russia -- Osama bin Laden has threatened to assassinate U.S. President George W. Bush at a G8 meeting in Italy, the head of Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service has said, according to reports. The Associated Press said Yevgeny Murov was quoted by Itar-Tass news agency as saying: "Bin Laden is threatening the American president, but we know what international terrorism is today and therefore all the bodyguard units concerned are preparing for this. "We view the threats as totally serious, but hope that with joint efforts we can solve all the problems." The Group of Eight summit is meeting between July 20-22 in Genoa, Italy. Leaders from Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia and the United States are expected to attend the summit. Murov -- Russian President Vladimir Putin's chief bodyguard -- did not elaborate on the threats. He said agents from Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service have travelled to Genoa to coordinate with their counterparts from the other nations taking part in the summit to investigate the threats. CONTINUED... http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/06/20/russia.binladen/ Missiles to protect summit leaders Special report: globalisation Rory Carroll in Rome Wednesday July 11, 2001 The Guardian Italy has installed a missile defence system at Genoa's airport to deter airborne attacks during next week's G8 summit, fuelling hysteria about looming violence. A land-based battery of rockets with a range of nine miles and an altitude of 5,000 feet has been positioned in the latest security measure against perceived threats from terrorists and protesters. Unidentified planes, helicopters and balloons risk being shot down should they drift too close to the heads of state from the group of seven leading industrialised nations and Russia. Colonel Alberto Battaglini, of the ministry of defence, said the precaution was not exces sive. "The measure, which was planned by the previous government, may seem open to criticism, but in reality it is merely to act as a deterrent against any aerial incursion during the summit. "They are little missiles ... which only have a deterrent function to discourage any aerial-led attack and they do not present any danger to the residents of the city," he said. CONTINUED... http://www.guardian.co.uk/globalisation/story/0,7369,519925,00.html Then there's John Ashcan who stopped flying commercial in July 2001. Ashcroft Flying High WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001 CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart reports on Aschcroft's travel arrangements. "There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines." -- FBI spokesman (CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart. In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term. "There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it. A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat. CONTINUED... http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml And then what did BUSH DO POST-9-11? HE BROKE INTERNATIONAL LAW TO INVADE A NATION WITH WHICH WE WERE AT PEACE TO STEAL THE OIL. SO DON'T PICK ON THE FUCKING TROOPS. PLACE THE BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS -- THE CRIMINAL CABAL RUNNING AND RUINING THE COUNTRY AND PLANET. BTW: A hearty welcome to DU, dopamine45! Hope to have fun times as we work toward seeing a US marshall frog march Bush to jail, where crooks belong. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:24 AM Response to Reply #23 |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:39 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. That we know about. |
There's the cocaine arrest story, possibly the reason for the "Community Service" time he served with Project P.U.L.L. in the mid-70s:
THE BOOK THE BUSHES BANNED GEORGE W. BUSH…KEEPING IT IN THE FAMILY: ANOTHER COCAINE SNORTING LIAR IN THE WHITE HOUSE by David Icke I have been reading a copy of Fortunate Son, the book which exposes the truth about George W. Bush, the Governor of Texas, and the front runner to become President of the United States in the year 2000. This son of the drug-taking, drug-running, paedophile, serial killer, and former President, George Bush (see The Biggest Secret), used his family and Illuminati connections to have the book withdrawn by the publisher to prevent his hypocrisy and lies being exposed to his potential voters. Some 90,000 copies were withdrawn from sale by the publisher, Thomas Dunne Books, because it highlights information that George W. Bush was forced to perform community service in 1972 after being caught in possession of a controlled substance, cocaine. The author, J. H. Hatfield, has been vilified for writing the book and yet, as a researcher myself, I find his attention to detail and his acknowledgement of the nature and reliability of sources to be first class. There are 52 pages of small-type source notes. This guy did his homework. Hatfield details how sources told him that Bush was ordered to do community service with an operation called Project P.U.L.L., a program for poor African-American youths in Houston, Texas. This is not disputed by Bush and, indeed, he has spoken about it publicly as used his "caring" gesture to support his presidential campaign, ironically. CONTINUED... http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/fortsonprint.html BTW: A hearty welcome to DU, hackerpschrr! How do you pronounce your handle? |
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anarchy1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 03:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. Just another unfortunate, depressed individual, suiciding himself. |
Go to google and look up Hatfield in June or July of 2001. This was not a man that wanted to commit suicide.
Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner? By James Hatfield Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18: July 3, 2001—There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too. A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April. German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target—his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October. According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives. Why would Osama bi Laden want to kill, Dubya, his former business partner? I knew that bombshell would whip your heads around. So here's the straight scoop, folks. In June 1977, Dubya formed his own drilling company, Arbusto Energy ("arbusto" means "bush" in Spanish), in Midland, Texas. Like his father before him, Dubya founded his oil business with the financial backing of investors, including James R. Bath, a Houston businessman whom Dubya apparently first met when they were in the same Texas Air National Guard unit. (Interestingly, both Dubya and Bath were both suspended from flying in August and September 1972, respectively, for "failure to accomplish annual medical examination.") Tax documents and other financial records show that Bath, an aircraft broker with controversial ties to Saudi Arabia sheiks, had invested $50,000 in Arbusto, granting him a 5 percent interest in two limited partnerships controlled by Dubya. Time magazine described Bath in 1991 as "a deal broker whose alleged associations run from the CIA to a major shareholder and director of the Bank of Credit & Commerce." BCCI, as it was more commonly known, closed its doors in July 1991 amid charges of multibillion-dollar fraud and global news reports that the financial institution had been heavily involved in drug money laundering, arms brokering, covert intelligence work, bribery of government officials and—here's the kicker—aid to terrorists. Bath was never directly implicated in the BCCI scandal, but according to The Outlaw Bank, an award-winning 1993 book by Time correspondents, Jonathan Beaty and S.C. Gwynne, Bath originally "made his fortune by investing money for According to court documents, Bath swore that in 1977 he represented four prominent and wealthy Saudi Arabians as a trustee and used his name on their investments in the United States. In return, he received a 5 percent interest in their deals. Time reporters Beaty and Gwynne suggest in their book that the $50,000 Bath invested in Dubya's Arbusto Energy drilling company may have belonged to Bath's Saudi clients since the Houston businessman "had no substantial money of his own at the time." The FBI and the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network later investigated Bath after allegations were made by one of his American business partners that the Saudis were using Bath and their giant piggy bank to influence U.S. policy. (Dubya's father had been appointed by President Ford to head the CIA from 1976–77.) So, folks, the Middle Eastern oil money used to underwrite the first business venture of our future president of the United States, may have been derived at least in part from the family fortune of Saudi terrorist Osama bin Laden, who is now being accused of masterminding his assassination. From the what-it's-worth-department: I think Dubya's handlers have fed disinformation through the CIA and other backdoor channels to German and Italian intelligence agencies about a possible hit on Dubya by the fugitive terrorist to gain public sympathy and concern for a U.S. president who has taken a nose-dive in the opinion polls. The latest New York Times/CBS News poll showed Dubya's approval rating fell to 53 percent from 57 percent a few weeks ago, its lowest since he took office. Only 50 percent of those polled approved of his handling of the economy, while 47 percent approved of his foreign policy performances. Some 44 percent felt Dubya was not respected by foreign leaders, a mere 39 percent agreed with his policies on the environment, and a whopping 61 percent of Americans believed the new prez was not addressing the issues they care most about. Obviously, the pollsters didn't call Dubya's sugar daddies—the oil and gas companies. Because he damn sure is taking care of their interests. http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html Mods, please forgive, delete paragraphs if you must. This was not a suicidal person. |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:46 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Wow! Just 3 posts and already tombstoned. |
heehee!
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 02:03 AM Response to Reply #24 |
32. HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!! are you for real?? |
.... but.... but, he's never been convicted of a FELONY !!
Listen to yourself, and be ashamed. |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 02:44 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Isn't it ironic that all that time when Clinton was president, |
the freepers on cspan would call him a convicted felon even though the man was never arrested in his lifetime? Yet, they voted for and installed a dry drunk that was arrested several times in the white house who chose a vp that's been arrested also.
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meow2u3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 12:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. He may not have been CONVICTED of any felonies.... |
...but he has committed numerous felonies for which he hasn't even been arrested, much less convicted.
It's a known fact that criminals who get away with their crimes have deep contempt for criminals who do not. |
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Conservativesux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 02:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
35. In many cases, yes. |
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Redleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. I dislike Bush as much as most here- but that's an arrest record, |
not a conviction. I do believe Bush is a fucking criminal- a war criminal for waging war in Iraq.
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lectrobyte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. and even if convicted, DUI is not a felony. nt |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. I dislike Bush more than anyone, anywhere. |
Here's what www.thesmokinggun.com has on the crook:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushdmv1.html Looks like he lost his license for a year and half. That's more than the penalty for first offense misdemeanors, Seems there are some honest judges in Maine. |
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American liberal (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 12:07 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. According to a report on NPR |
Gonzales got him out of jury duty while the shrub was TX gov. so the DUI conviction would not have to be disclosed.
It is also on record that the shrub was a coke head. I do not believe he ever got busted for possession, however. And do you remember what a big stink the repukes made about Clinton's statement that he didn't inhale?! Oh, the hypocrisy! |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:10 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Bush didn't want to take a TANG physical. Neither did James R Bath. |
Bush and Bath were officers in the Texas Air National Guard together. Both refused to take their flight physicals and were grounded on the same day. Interesting how Bath later became the bin Mahfouz and bin Laden clans' U.S. business agent. That means he helped "reinvest" Saudi petrodollar-related wealth in U.S. companies and investments, like Arbusto Energy and George W. Bush.
Bush & Bin Laden - George W. Bush Had Ties to Billionaire bin Laden Brood The unexplained death of Salem, Osama bin Laden's oldest brother, in 1988, brought to an abrupt end a long and intriguing relationship between President Bush and the head of the bin Laden family fortune. By Roger Miller The world now associates the bin Laden name with Osama bin Laden, the prime suspect be hind the terror atrocities of Sept. 11. As President George W. Bush leads an intense international manhunt for Osama, few Americans realize that Osama's eldest brother, Salem, was one of Bush's first business partners. A photograph from 1971 has surfaced and been printed in English papers showing Osama, age 14, and his brother Salem, age 19, enjoying a summer holiday at the Astoria Hotel in Falun, Sweden. Christina Akerblad, the hotel owner, told the Daily Mail, "They were beautiful boys, so elegantly dressed. Everybody loved them." Osama embraced Islamic fundamentalism and is now the world's most wanted man. "Salem went on to become a business partner of the man who is leading the hunt for his brother," the Daily Mail's Peter Allen said. "In the 1970s, he and George W. Bush were founders of the Arbusto Energy oil company in Mr. Bush's home state of Texas." President Bush and the bin Laden family have been connected through dubious business deals since 1977, when Salem, the head of the bin Laden family business, one of the biggest construction companies in the world, invested in Bush's start-up oil company, Arbusto Energy, Inc. James R. Bath, a friend and neighbor, was used to funnel money from Osama bin Laden's brother, Salem bin Laden, to set up George W. Bush in the oil business, according to The Wall Street Journal and other reputable sources. CONTINUED... http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_07_01/Bush___Bin_Laden_-_George_W__B/bush___bin_laden_-_george_w__b.html |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. what is meant by "conviction" |
does this mean found guilty by a jury or what?
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 02:00 AM Response to Reply #16 |
31. The broadest sense indicates guilt of a crime. |
"If life were fair...All our daddies would head the secret police."
But for most whose records include: 1. Drunk Driving. 2. Stealing a Christmas wreath. 3. Tearing down a goal post-melee Careers and work opportunities would be most limited. Besides, three strikes and the guy should be out. Being connected: Priceless. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 02:26 AM Response to Reply #16 |
33. It means being found, or pleading, guilty |
by a jury or judge.
It means being convicted of - found guilty of - a crime. Yes. |
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Stirk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
4. That's what George should call his memoirs: |
Operating Under the Influence: My Life on the PNAC Leash
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I think a DWI is a misdomeaner |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Agree. Here's the PNAC Agenda, laid out by Perle to Khashoggi |
LUNCH WITH THE CHAIRMAN
Why was Richard Perle meeting with Adnan Khashoggi? by SEYMOUR M. HERSH The New Yorker Issue of 2003-03-17 Posted 2003-03-10 At the peak of his deal-making activities, in the nineteen-seventies, the Saudi-born businessman Adnan Khashoggi brokered billions of dollars in arms and aircraft sales for the Saudi royal family, earning hundreds of millions in commissions and fees. Though never convicted of wrongdoing, he was repeatedly involved in disputes with federal prosecutors and with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and in recent years he has been in litigation in Thailand and Los Angeles, among other places, concerning allegations of stock manipulation and fraud. During the Reagan Administration, Khashoggi was one of the middlemen between Oliver North, in the White House, and the mullahs in Iran in what became known as the Iran-Contra scandal. Khashoggi subsequently claimed that he lost ten million dollars that he had put up to obtain embargoed weapons for Iran which were to be bartered (with Presidential approval) for American hostages. The scandals of those times seemed to feed off each other: a congressional investigation revealed that Khashoggi had borrowed much of the money for the weapons from the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (B.C.C.I.), whose collapse, in 1991, defrauded thousands of depositors and led to years of inquiry and litigation. Khashoggi is still brokering. In January of this year, he arranged a private lunch, in France, to bring together Harb Saleh al-Zuhair, a Saudi industrialist whose family fortune includes extensive holdings in construction, electronics, and engineering companies throughout the Middle East, and Richard N. Perle, the chairman of the Defense Policy Board, who is one of the most outspoken and influential American advocates of war with Iraq. The Defense Policy Board is a Defense Department advisory group composed primarily of highly respected former government officials, retired military officers, and academics. Its members, who serve without pay, include former national-security advisers, Secretaries of Defense, and heads of the C.I.A. The board meets several times a year at the Pentagon to review and assess the country’s strategic defense policies. Perle is also a managing partner in a venture-capital company called Trireme Partners L.P., which was registered in November, 2001, in Delaware. Trireme’s main business, according to a two-page letter that one of its representatives sent to Khashoggi last November, is to invest in companies dealing in technology, goods, and services that are of value to homeland security and defense. The letter argued that the fear of terrorism would increase the demand for such products in Europe and in countries like Saudi Arabia and Singapore. The letter mentioned the firm’s government connections prominently: “Three of Trireme’s Management Group members currently advise the U.S. Secretary of Defense by serving on the U.S. Defense Policy Board, and one of Trireme’s principals, Richard Perle, is chairman of that Board.” The two other policy-board members associated with Trireme are Henry Kissinger, the former Secretary of State (who is, in fact, only a member of Trireme’s advisory group and is not involved in its management), and Gerald Hillman, an investor and a close business associate of Perle’s who handles matters in Trireme’s New York office. The letter said that forty-five million dollars had already been raised, including twenty million dollars from Boeing; the purpose, clearly, was to attract more investors, such as Khashoggi and Zuhair. CONTINUED... http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030317fa_fact Trireme Partnerships! That sounds pretty felonious to me. In fact, it's worse. It's treason. |
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XanaDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
6. Hi. |
Those pix are horrific.
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Sorry, XanaDUer. There should be a WARNING: GRAPHIC HORROR |
Truly sorry about the photographs, XanaDUer. It's just that I don't call Bush a monster because identifying him as such means he is not responsible for his actions. He is, allegedly, a man. And as such is capable of knowing right from wrong, good from evil. My intent is to hold him responsible. Perhaps a court of law will be interested in the result of his actions one day.
Here's a song for our times, written in 1968. It's a sizzling jazz number, first recorded at the Montreux Jazz Festival by Les McCann and Eddie Harris. IIt was written by Compared to What Love the lie and lie the love Hangin' on, with a push and shove Possession is the motivation that is hangin' up the (G-------) nation Looks like we always end up in a rut (everybody now!) Tryin' to make it real — compared to what? Slaughterhouse is killin' hogs Twisted children killin' frogs Poor dumb rednecks rollin' logs Tired old ladies kissin' dogs Hate the human, love that stinking mutt (I can't stand it!) Try to make it real — compared to what? The President, he's got his war Folks don't know just what it's for Nobody gives us rhyme or reason Have one doubt, they call it treason We're chicken-feathers, all without one gut (God damn it!) Tryin' to make it real — compared to what? (Sock it to me, now) Church on Sunday, sleep and nod Tryin' to duck the wrath of God Preacher's fillin' us with fright Tryin' to tell us what he thinks is right He really got to be some kind of nut (I can't use it!) Tryin' to make it real — compared to what? Where's that bee and where's that honey? Where's my God and where's my money Unreal values, crass distortion Unwed mothers need abortion Kind of brings to mind ol' young King Tut (He did it now) Tried to make it real — compared to what?! -- by Eugene McDaniels (c) as performed by Les McCann If you don't have it and you like jazz, it's a must-have. The record is called "Swiss Movement." It's got a couple of wonderful pictures. |
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XanaDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. That's ok |
I cannot stand the sugar-coated propaganda we see.
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Kazak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
12. He's driving this country like a drunk...he needs to be pulled over again. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 12:19 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. I couldn't agree more. The ownership of the media, OTOH... |
... see things differently. They could have opened their collective eyes to the crook and pegged him for what he is: a drunken pyscho. But, the media have to protect their owners -- not just the big corporations, but the super-wealthy turds who own the controlling interests of these corporations. These are "businessmen" at best and Saudi petrodollar-soaked corrupt officials most likely. They've given the little turd from Crawford a pass from Day One.
Here's a nice overview of what has happened to America's free press, the only business so important to the health and well-being of the nation the Founders included it in the Constitution -- the only business named in the nation's charter. Money, Media & the Mess in America By Robert Parry January 28, 2005 Sometime after 2009, when historians pick through the wreckage left behind by George W. Bush’s administration, they will have to come to grips with the role played by the professional conservative media infrastructure. Indeed, it will be hard to comprehend how Bush got two terms as President of the United States, ran up a massive debt, and misled the country into at least one disastrous war – without taking into account the extraordinary influence of the conservative media, from Fox News to Rush Limbaugh, from the Washington Times to the Weekly Standard. Recently, it’s been revealed, too, that the Bush administration paid conservative pundits Armstrong Williams and Maggie Gallagher while they promoted White House policies. Even fellow conservatives have criticized those payments, but the truth is that the ethical line separating conservative “journalism” from government propaganda has long since been wiped away. For years now, there’s been little meaningful distinction between the Republican Party and the conservative media machine. In 1982, for instance, South Korean theocrat Sun Myung Moon established the Washington Times as little more than a propaganda organ for the Reagan-Bush administration. In 1994, radio talk show host Limbaugh was made an honorary member of the new Republican House majority. CONTINUED... http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/012805.html |
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paineinthearse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
14. Ted Cohen, American hero. |
Apparently, DU’ers don’t think much of this.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=156x367 has been in the MAINE forum since 1/21 with zero replies. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=109x17754 has been in the MEDIA forum since 1/24 with 5 replies. They link to the story of the reporter, Ted Cohen, who broke the story and was fired as a result. He’s now driving a truck for a living. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 12:37 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Cohen is a good reporter and a real American. |
Can't be more professional than wanting to report the Truth. Figures the guy's bosses wouldn't back him when the push came to shove.
Gee. I remember commenting on another thread in GD. I remember several people made mention of a few other reporters who got in the Bush's way: BFEE "Suicides" Journalists Seems journalists who oppose the BFEE end up in a bad way. Gary Webb "shot himself in the head" twice Friday morning, according to the police and Mike Ruppert. http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/1... What Webb did to hurt the BFEE's feelings is he tied the CIA's Iran-Contra gang to the crack cocaine epidemic in America's major metropolitan areas. To the Bush gang, telling the truth made Webb an enemy. http://www.parascope.com/mx/articles/garywebb/garyWebbS... Here are a few others who actually had the guts to investigate the Bush Family Evil Empire: Daniel “Danny” Casolaro — Researched BCCI and the Inslaw/PROMIS Affair, found that George HW Bush had ties going around the world and back through Iran-Contra, Iraq-gate, the October Surprise, Watergate, Vietnam, the Bay of Pigs and Dallas. A “suicide.” http://www.cjr.org/archives.asp?url=/91/6/octopus.asp Abbie Hoffman — Yippie of the 60s turned into an investigative reporter in the 80s, researched and wrote about “October Surprise” allegations involving George HW Bush, Bill Casey and Robert Gates doing a deal with the Ayatollah Khomeini to delay the release of the hostages in 1980. The pretty good overview appeared in Playboy in 1992. A “suicide.” http://www.democracyunbound.com/playboy1088.html Steve Kangas — Researcher and writer who started “Liberal Resurgent” web site dedicated to naming names like Richard Mellon Scaife and telling the truth about what was happening to America. Wrote the seminal “The Origins of the Overclass” which detailed the role of the CIA in preserving the privileged positions of the nation’s wealthiest individuals and corporations. A “suicide.” http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html Jim Hatifield — Researcher and writer who penned “Fortunate Son,” an unauthorized biography of George W Bush that included allegations of cocaine use, planted by Karl Rove, who knew that Hatfield, an ex-con would be discredited. The last thing Hatfield wrote “Why Would Osama Want to Kill His Ex-Business Partner?” that detailed bin Laden threatening to crash a plane loaded with explosives into the G-8 summit in Genoa Italy in July 2001. Bush slept offshore aboard a US warship and the meeting was guarded by SAMs. A “suicide.” http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R... Mark Lombardi — Artist and researcher who developed “Global Networks” or “Social Network Diagrams” which illustrated and chronicled the relationships between many of our day’s shadiest characters, institutions and treasons. One of his works graphically charted Osama bin Laden, Sheik Salim bin Laden, James R Bath, Texas Gov George W Bush and HARKEN Energy. A “suicide.” http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2... There are many more examples of brave journalists who’ve investigated the Octopus and turned up “suicided.” SOURCE with ACTIVE LINKS and DISCUSSION: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2819427 BTW: That is an outstanding image of a genuine American Hero. Ted Cohen may have been forced to give up his profession, but not his integrity. Thank you, paineinthearse! |
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President Kerry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:35 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. how about that Salvador option first being tested on our |
own independent journalists before we do this thing in Iraq, huh?
I don't know how true this thing is. What is true is that these guys have been crawling our of their skin to suppress independent journalism. Evil bastards! |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:50 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. It's been going on since 22 November 1963. |
From just days after President Kennedy was ambushed, reporters who know too much have ended up dead. To me, that's signs of a conspiracy of the worst kind. That's why I really dislike traitors.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhunterB.htm To Bush, like his father, killing thousands of people is no big thing. Consider how many the Death squads in El Salvador and Guatemala, the Contras, and those in Operation CONDOR killed. So, it's easy to see how Bush Sr turned the Pentagon loose on retreating Iraqis during Desert Storm. Like his Poppy, W probably didn't blink when 3,000 Americans died on 9-11 or when he ordered an invasion of a country at peace with the United States. The CIA's Greatest Hits The CIA is also expert at distorting intelligence to justify its own goals, and this "disinformation" leads to dangerous illusions among our policymakers. But covert operations are its life's blood. The litany of illegal, murderous CIA activity is enough to chill the bones of anyone who cares about liberty and justice. As long as the CIA exists, our government can break any law it chooses in the name of national security. Anyone for whom democracy is more than just a word should be working to abolish the CIA. For some ideas on how to do that, send a SASE to Odonian Press at Box 32375, Tucson AZ 85751. By Mark Zepezauer The Gehlen Org Operation Gladio MK-ULTRA Operation CHAOS Crooked Banks Drug Trafficking The Mighty Wurlitzer -- the CIA's propaganda machine CONTINUED LINK CITY... http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA%20Hits/CIA_GreatestHits.html |
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JohnOneillsMemory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 03:54 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Hmm. This link worked last week. Not now. Had to copy Google cache. |
(Is the Bush-Hitler connection getting scrubbed from the internet? This website's lengthy explanation of the financial arrangements made between US and German financiers for the rise of Hitler was the most comprehensive one I found on the internet.
Until recently, that is. The link worked last week. Not tonight. 'No dice' says the server. BUT...I found the Google cache of it, originally from the University of Virginia's Institute for Advanced Technology in the Humanities or IATH. IATH's donors include IBM, AT&T and the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation, not the kind of donors who'd appreciate their support for Nazis exposed.(http://www.iath.virginia.edu/aboutSponsors.html) Since the link may have been very recently broken or info scrubbed, I post the whole page of the Google cache version here. It is worth reading top to bottom.-JOM) ------------------------------------------ This is G o o g l e's cache of http://lists.village.virginia.edu/listservs/spoons/woodco-greens.archive/woodco-greens.0006 as retrieved on Jan 8, 2005 14:59:49 GMT. G o o g l e's cache is the snapshot that we took of the page as we crawled the web. The page may have changed since that time. Click here for the current page without highlighting. 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From owner-woodco-greens@lists.village.virginia.edu Mon Jun 26 15:59:18 2000 Received: (from domo@localhost) by lists.village.virginia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.0) id PAA32919 for woodco-greens-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:59:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: lists.village.virginia.edu: domo set sender to owner-woodco-greens@localhost using -f Received: from mail.virginia.edu (mail.Virginia.EDU <128.143.2.9>) by lists.village.virginia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA25747 for <woodco-greens@lists.village.virginia.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:59:07 -0400 Received: from jefferson.village.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa27560; 26 Jun 2000 11:59 EDT Received: from mo.egroups.com (mo.egroups.com <207.138.41.166>) by jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA11378 for <woodco-greens@jefferson.village.virginia.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:59:00 -0400 (EDT) X-eGroups-Return: avocadolover@vjmail.com Received: from <10.1.10.63> by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2000 15:59:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:55:36 -0000 From: robert <avocadolover@vjmail.com> To: woodco-greens@jefferson.village.virginia.edu Subject: A Day At The Races A Night At The Rodeo Dogged Research Message-ID: <8j7udo+815l@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists.village.virginia.edu id LAA25492 Sender: owner-woodco-greens@lists.village.virginia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: woodco-greens@lists.village.virginia.edu <a href="http://www.animalpepl.org/97/6/obits.html">http://www.animalpepl.org/97/6/obits.html</a> dogged research turned up has turned up "Millie, 12, former "first dog" of the U.S. as companion to George and Barbara Bush, 1989-1993, died May 19 in Kennebunkport, Maine. Given to the Bush family by Will and Sarah Farish, of Houston, at age 1, Millie became famous after birthing four puppies in the White House in March 1989." Hmmm, we know who George & Barbara Bush are, we know who Millie was, What about the family Farish? K-EYE TV 42 - Bush Contributors 1 ...Interactive Marketplace Austin Career Center Bush Campaign Contributors - ...11/3/98 1000 Mr. and Mrs. William S. Farish Versailles KY 40383-0626... austinautoclassified.com/news/bushcontrib/bush1.html <a href="http://www.breederscup.com/eqb/bios/classic/lemondropkid.html">http://www.breederscup.com/eqb/bios/classic/lemondropkid.html</a> "William S. Farish,…Friend of former President George Bush ... Other business interests include oil exploration, real estate, and ranching ..." <a href="http://www.padrak.com/alt/BUSHBOOK_1.html#Nazi_Commerce">http://www.padrak.com/alt/BUSHBOOK_1.html#Nazi_Commerce</a> "Bush and Farish When George Bush was elected vice president in 1980, Texas mystery man William Stamps Farish III took over management of all of George Bush's personal wealth in a "blind trust." Known as one of the richest men in Texas, Will Farish keeps his business affairs under the most intense secrecy. Only the source of his immense wealth is known, not its employment. Note #3 Will Farish has long been Bush's closest friend and confidante…. President Bush can count on Farish not to betray the violent secrets surrounding the Bush family money. For Farish's own family fortune was made in the same Hitler project, in a nightmarish partnership with George Bush's father. On March 25, 1942, U.S. Assistant Attorney General Thurman Arnold announced that William Stamps Farish (grandfather of the President's money manager) had pleaded "no contest" to charges of criminal conspiracy with the Nazis. Farish was the principal manager of a worldwide cartel between Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey and the I.G. Farben concern. The merged enterprise had opened the Auschwitz slave labor camp on June 14, 1940, to produce artificial rubber and gasoline from coal. The Hitler government supplied political opponents and Jews as the slaves, who were worked to near death and then murdered. Arnold disclosed that Standard Oil of New Jersey (later known as Exxon), of which Farish was president and chief executive, had agreed to stop hiding from the United States patents for artificial rubber which the company had provided to the Nazis. Note #4 A Senate investigating committee under Senator (later U.S. President) Harry Truman of Missouri had called Arnold to testify at hearings on corporations' collaboration with the Nazis. The Senators expressed outrage at the cynical way Farish was continuing an alliance with the Hitler regime that had begun back in 1933, when Farish became chief of Jersey Standard. Didn't he know there was a war on? The Justice Department laid before the committee a letter, written to Standard president Farish by his vice president, shortly after the beginning of World War II (September 1, 1939) in Europe. The letter concerned a renewal of their earlier agreements with the Nazis: The Bush-Farish axis had begun back in 1929. In that year, the Harriman bank bought Dresser Industries, supplier of oil-pipeline couplers to Standard and other companies. Prescott Bush became a director and financial czar of Dresser, installing his Yale classmate Neil Mallon as chairman. Note #7 George Bush would later name one of his sons after the Dresser executive. William S. Farish was the main organizer of the Humble Oil Co. of Texas, which Farish merged into the Standard Oil Company of New Jersey. Farish built up the Humble-Standard empire of pipelines and refineries in Texas. Note #8 In 1933, as what Hitler called his "New Order" appeared, John D. Rockefeller, Jr. appointed William S. Farish the chairman of Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey (in 1937 he was made president and chief executive). Farish moved his offices to Rockefeller Center, New York, where he spent a good deal of time with Hermann Schmitz, chairman of I.G. Farben; his company paid a publicity man, Ivy Lee, to write pro-I.G. Farben and pro-Nazi propaganda and get it into the U.S. press. Now that he was outside of Texas, Farish found himself in the shipping business-like the Bush family. He hired Nazi German crews for Standard Oil tankers. And he hired "Emil Helfferich," chairman of the Walker/Bush/Harriman Hamburg-Amerika Line, as chairman also of the Standard Oil Company subsidiary in Germany. Karl Lindemann, board member of Hamburg-Amerika, also became a top Farish-Standard executive in Germany. Note #1 Note #4 This interlock between their Nazi German operations put Farish together with Prescott Bush in a small, select group of men operating from abroad through Hitler's "revolution," and calculating that they would never be punished. In 1939, Farish's daughter Martha married Averell Harriman's nephew, Edward Harriman Gerry, and Farish in-laws became Prescott Bush's partners at 59 Broadway. Note #1 Note #5 Both Emil Helfferich and Karl Lindemann were authorized to write checks to Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Nazi SS, on a special Standard Oil account. This account was managed by the German-British-American banker, Kurt von Schroeder. According to U.S. intelligence documents reviewed by author Anthony Sutton, Helfferich continued his payments to the SS into 1944, when the SS was supervising the mass murder at the Standard-I.G. Farben Auschwitz and other death camps. Helfferich told Allied interrogators after the war that these were not his personal contributions-they were corporate Standard Oil funds. Note #1 Note #6 After pleading "no contest" to charges of criminal conspiracy with the Nazis, William Stamps Farish was fined $5,000. (Similar fines were levied against Standard Oil -- $5,000 each for the parent company and for several subsidiaries.) This of course did not interfere with the millions of dollars that Farish had acquired in conjunction with Hitler's New Order, as a large stockholder, chairman, and president of Standard Oil. All the government sought was the use of patents which his company had given to the Nazis-the Auschwitz patents-but had withheld from the U.S. military and industry. But a war was on, and if young men were to be asked to die fighting Hitler .. something more was needed. Farish was hauled before the Senate committee investigating the national defense program. The committee chairman, Senator Harry Truman, told newsmen before Farish testified: "I think this approaches treason." Note #1 Note #7 Farish began breaking apart at these hearings. He shouted his "indignation" at the senators, and claimed he was not "disloyal." After the March-April hearings ended, more dirt came gushing out of the Justice Department and the Congress on Farish and Standard Oil. Farish had deceived the U.S. Navy to prevent the Navy from acquiring certain patents, while supplying them to the Nazi war machine; meanwhile, he was supplying gasoline and tetraethyl lead to Germany's submarines and air force. Communications between Standard and I.G. Farben from the outbreak of World War II were released to the Senate, showing that Farish's organization had arranged to deceive the U.S. government into passing over Nazi-owned assets: They would nominally buy I.G.'s share in certain patents because "in the event of war between ourselves and Germany ... it would certainly be very undesirable to have this 20 percent Standard-I.G. pass to an alien property custodian of the U.S. who might sell it to an unfriendly interest." Note #1 Note #8 John D. Rockefeller, Jr. (father of David, Nelson, and John D. Rockefeller III), the controlling owner of Standard Oil, told the Roosevelt administration that he knew nothing of the day-to-day affairs of his company, that all these matters were handled by Farish and other executives. Note #1 Note #9 In August, Farish was brought back for more testimony. He was now frequently accused of lying. Farish was crushed under the intense, public grilling; he became morose, ashen. While Prescott Bush escaped publicity when the government seized his Nazi banking organization in October, Farish had been nailed. He collapsed and died of a heart attack on November 29, 1942. The Farish family was devastated by the exposure. Son William Stamps Farish, Jr., a lieutenant in the Army Air Force, was humiliated by the public knowledge that his father was fueling the enemy's aircraft; he died in a training accident in Texas six months later. Note #2 Note #0 With this double death, the fortune comprising much of Standard Oil's profits from Texas and Nazi Germany was now to be settled upon the little four-year-old grandson, William ("Will") Stamps Farish III. Will Farish grew up a recluse, the most secretive multimillionaire in Texas, with investments of "that money" in a multitude of foreign countries, and a host of exotic contacts overlapping the intelligence and financial worlds-The Bush-Farish axis started George Bush's career. After his 1948 graduation from Yale (and the Skull and Bones secret society), George Bush flew down to Texas on a corporate jet and was employed by his father's Dresser Industries. In a couple of years he got help from his uncle, George Walker, Jr., and Farish's banker friends, to set him up in the oil property speculation business. Soon thereafter, George Bush founded the Zapata Oil Company, which put oil drilling rigs into certain locations of great strategic interest…. Twenty-five-year-old Will Farish was personal aide to Zapata chairman George Bush in Bush's unsuccessful 1964 campaign for Senate. Farish used "that Auschwitz money" to back George Bush financially, investing in Zapata. When Bush was elected to Congress in 1966, Farish joined the Zapata board. Note #2 Note #1 When George Bush became U.S. vice president in 1980, the Farish and Bush family fortunes were again completely, secretly commingled. As we shall see, the old projects were now being revived on a breathtaking scale." See also: <a href="http://mercury.spaceports.com/~persewen/bush_video.htm">http://mercury.spaceports.com/~persewen/bush_video.htm</a> <a href="http://www.keeneland.com/library/milestones.html">http://www.keeneland.com/library/milestones.html</a> "1997 Former President George Bush attended the races as the guest of W.S. Farish" <a href="http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/papers/1991/91122702.html">http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/papers/1991/91122702.html</a> "Remarks to the Bee County Community, Beeville, Texas" Note: The President (George Herbert Walker Bush) spoke at 5:54 p.m. in the Bee County Rodeo Arena. December 27, 1991 "And, of course, a special guest that my friend, Will Farish, is entertaining for the weekend and who is entertaining us" From owner-woodco-greens@lists.village.virginia.edu Mon Jun 26 19:47:04 2000 Received: (from domo@localhost) by lists.village.virginia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.0) id TAA23627 for woodco-greens-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:47:03 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: lists.village.virginia.edu: domo set sender to owner-woodco-greens@localhost using -f Received: from mail.virginia.edu (mail.Virginia.EDU <128.143.2.9>) by lists.village.virginia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA32838 for <woodco-greens@lists.village.virginia.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:46:57 -0400 Received: from jefferson.village.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa07570; 26 Jun 2000 15:46 EDT Received: from b05.egroups.com (b05.egroups.com <207.138.41.189>) by jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA24153 for <woodco-greens@jefferson.village.virginia.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:46:37 -0400 (EDT) X-eGroups-Return: avocadolover@vjmail.com Received: from <10.1.10.112> by b05.egroups.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2000 19:46:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:46:21 -0000 From: robert <avocadolover@vjmail.com> To: woodco-greens@jefferson.village.virginia.edu Subject: Bush Part One Message-ID: <8j8bue+erqq@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Sender: owner-woodco-greens@lists.village.virginia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: woodco-greens@lists.village.virginia.edu <a href="http://www.padrak.com/alt/BUSHBOOK_1.html#CHAPTER_2">http://www.padrak.com/alt/BUSHBOOK_1.html#CHAPTER_2</a> EXCERPTED FROM MATERIAL FOUND AT URL ABOVE "CHAPTER 2 "THE HITLER PROJECT Bush Property Seized-Trading with the Enemy In October 1942, ten months after entering World War II, America was preparing its first assault against Nazi military forces. Prescott Bush was managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman. His 18-year-old son George, the future U.S. President, had just begun training to become a naval pilot. On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City which were being conducted by Prescott Bush. Under the "Trading with the Enemy Act", the government took over the "Union Banking Corporation," in which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares, all of which were owned by Prescott Bush, E. Roland "Bunny" Harriman, three Nazi executives, and two other associates of Bush. Note #1 The order seizing the bank "vest Banking Corporation, a New York corporation," and named the holders of its shares as: See #b|"E. Roland Harriman -- 3991 shares." Harriman was chairman and director of Union Banking Corp. (UBC); this is "Bunny" Harriman, described by Prescott Bush as a place holder who didn't get much into banking affairs; Prescott managed his personal investments. See #b|"Cornelis Lievense -- 4 shares." Lievense was president and director of UBC, and a New York resident banking functionary for the Nazis. See #b|"Harold D. Pennington -- 1 share." Pennington was treasurer and director of UBC, and an office manager employed by Bush at Brown Brothers Harriman. See #b|"Ray Morris -- 1 share." Morris was director of UBC, and a partner of Bush and the Harrimans. See #b|"Prescott S. Bush -- 1 share." Bush was director of UBC, which was co-founded and sponsored by his father-in-law George Walker; he was senior managing partner for E. Roland Harriman and Averell Harriman. See #b|"H.J. Kouwenhoven -- 1 share" Kouwenhoven was director of UBC; he organized UBC as the emissary of Fritz Thyssen in negotiations with George Walker and Averell Harriman; he was also managing director of UBC's Netherlands affiliate under Nazi occupation; industrial executive in Nazi Germany, and also director and chief foreign financial executive of the German Steel Trust. See #b|"Johann G. Groeninger -- 1 share." Groeninger was director of UBC and of its Netherlands affiliate; he was an industrial executive in Nazi Germany. The order also specified: "all of which shares are held for the benefit of ... members of the Thyssen family, nationals ... of a designated enemy country...." By October 26, 1942, U.S. troops were underway for North Africa. On October 28, the government issued orders seizing two Nazi front organizations run by the Bush-Harriman bank: the "Holland-American Trading Corporation" and the "Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation." Note #2 U.S. forces landed under fire near Algiers on November 8, 1942; heavy combat raged throughout November. Nazi interests in the "Silesian-American Corporation," long managed by Prescott Bush and his father-in-law George Herbert Walker, were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act on November 17, 1942. In this action, the government announced that it was seiz ing only the Nazi interests, leaving the Nazis' U.S. partners to carry on the business. Note #3 These and other actions taken by the U.S. government in wartime were, tragically, too little and too late. President Bush's family had already played a central role in financing and arming Adolf Hitler for his takeover of Germany; in financing and managing the buildup of Nazi war industries for the conquest of Europe and war aga inst the U.S.A.; and in the development of Nazi genocide theories and racial propaganda, with their well-known results. The facts presented here must be known, and their implications reflected upon, for a proper understanding of President George Herbert Walker Bush and of the danger to mankind that he represents. The President's family fortune was largely a result of the Hitler project. The powerful Anglo-American family associations, which later boosted him into the Central Intelligence Agency and up to the White House, were his father's partners in the Hitler project. President Franklin Roosevelt's Alien Property Custodian, Leo T. Crowley, signed Vesting Order Number 248 seizing the property of Prescott Bush under the Trading with Enemy Act. The order, published in obscure government record books and kept out of the news, Note #4 explained nothing about the Nazis involved; only that the Union Banking Corporation was run for the "Thyssen family" of "Germany and/or Hungary"-"nationals ... of a designated enemy country." By deciding that Prescott Bush and the other directors of the Union Banking Corp. were legally "front men for the Nazis", the government avoided the more important historical issue: In what way "were Hitler's Nazis themselves hired, armed, and instructed by" the New York and London clique of which Prescott Bush was an executive manager? Let us examine the Harriman-Bush Hitler project from the 1920s until it was partially broken up, to seek an answer for that question. 2. Origin and Extent of the Project Fritz Thyssen and his business partners are universally recognized as the most important German financiers of Adolf Hitler's takeover of Germany. At the time of the order seizing the Thyssen family's Union Banking Corp., Mr. Fritz Thyssen had already published his famous book, "I Paid Hitler", Note #5 admitting that he had financed Adolf Hitler and the Nazi movement since October 1923. Thyssen's role as the leading early backer of Hitler's grab for power in Germany had been noted by U.S. diplomats in Berlin in 1932. Note #6 The order seizing the Bush-Thyssen bank was curiously quiet and modest about the identity of the perpetrators who had been nailed. But two weeks before the official order, government investigators had reported secretly that "W. Averell Harriman was in Europe sometime prior to 1924 and at that time became acquainted with Fritz Thyssen, the German industrialist." Harriman and Thyssen agreed to set up a bank for Thyssen in New York. " serve as directors...." Thyssen agent "H.J. Kouwenhoven ... came to the United States ... prior to 1924 for conferences with the Harriman Company in this connection...." Note #7 When exactly was "Harriman in Europe sometime prior to 1924"? In fact, he was in Berlin in 1922 to set up the Berlin branch of W.A. Harriman & Co. under George Walker's presidency. The Union Banking Corporation was established formally in 1924, as a unit in the Manhattan offices of W.A. Harriman & Co., interlocking with the Thyssen-owned "Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart" (BHS) in the Netherlands. The investigators concluded that "the Union Banking Corporation has since its inception handled funds chiefly supplied to it through the Dutch bank by the Thyssen interests for American investment." Thus by personal agreement between Averell Harriman and Fritz Thyssen in 1922, W.A. Harriman & Co. (alias Union Banking Corporation) would be transferring funds back and forth between New York and the "Thyssen interests" in Germany. By putting up about $400,000, the Harriman organization would be joint owner and manager of Thyssen's banking operations outside of Germany. "How important was the Nazi enterprise for which President Bush's father was the New York banker?" The 1942 U.S. government investigative report said that Bush's Nazi-front bank was an interlocking concern with the Vereinigte Stahlwerke (United Steel Works Corporation or "German Steel Trust") led by Fritz Thyssen and his two brothers. After the war, congressional investigators probed the Thyssen interests, Union Banking Corp. and related Nazi units. The investigation showed that the Vereinigte Stahlwerke had produced the following approximate proportions of total German national output: "50.8% of Nazi Germany's pig iron; 41.4% of Nazi Germany's universal plate; 36.0% of Nazi Germany's heavy plate; 38.5% of Nazi Germany's galvanized sheet; 45.5% of Nazi Germany's pipes and tubes; 22.1% of Nazi Germany's wire; 35.0% of Nazi Germany's explosives." Note #8 This accounts for many, many Nazi submarines, bombs, rifles, gas chambers, etc. Prescott Bush became vice president of W.A. Harriman & Co. in 1926. That same year, a friend of Harriman and Bush set up a giant new organization for their client Fritz Thyssen, prime sponsor of politician Adolf Hitler. The new "German Steel Trust," Germany's largest industrial corporation, was organized in 1926 by Wall Street banker Clarence Dillon. Dillon was the old comrade of Prescott Bush's father Sam Bush from the "Merchants of Death" bureau in World War I. In return for putting up $70 million to create his organization, majority owner Thyssen gave the Dillon Read company two or more representatives on the board of the new Steel Trust. Note #9 Thus there is a division of labor: Thyssen's own confidential accounts, for political and related purposes, were run through the Walker-Bush organization; the Steel Trust did its corporate banking through Dillon Read. - * * * - The Walker-Bush firm's banking activities were not just politically neutral money-making ventures which happened to coincide with the aims of German Nazis. All of the firm's European business in those days was organized around anti-democratic political forces. In 1927, criticism of their support for totalitarianism drew this retort from Bert Walker, written from Kennebunkport to Averell Harriman: "It seems to me that the suggestion in connection with Lord Bearsted's views that we withdraw from Russia smacks somewhat of the impertinent.... I think that we have drawn our line and should hew to it." Note #1 Note #0 Averell Harriman met with Italy's fascist dictator, Benito Mussolini. A representative of the firm subsequently telegraphed good news back to his chief executive Bert Walker: "... During these last days ... Mussolini ... has examined and approved our c of 1929-31 shook America, Germany, and Britain, weakening all governments. It also made the hard-pressed Prescott Bush even more willing to do whatever was necessary to retain his new place in the world. It was in this crisis that certain Anglo-Americans determined on the installation of a Hitler regime in Germany. W.A. Harriman & Co., well-positioned for this enterprise and rich in assets from their German and Russian business, merged with the British-American investment house, Brown Brothers, on January 1, 1931. Bert Walker retired to his own G.H. Walker & Co. This left the Harriman brothers, Prescott Bush, and Thatcher M. Brown as the senior partners of the new Brown Brothers Harriman firm. (The London, England branch of the Brown family firm continued operating under its historic name-Brown, Shipley.) Robert A. Lovett also came over as a partner from Brown Brothers. His father, E.H. Harriman's lawyer and railroad chief, had been on the War Industries Board with Prescott's father. Though he remained a partner in Brown Brothers Harriman, the junior Lovett soon replaced his father as chief exexcutive of Union Pacific Railroad. Brown Brothers had a racial tradition that fitted it well for the Hitler project. American patriots had cursed its name back in Civil War days. Brown Brothers, with offices in the U.S.A. and in Engla nd, had carried on their ships fully 75 percent of the slave cotton from the American South over to British mill owners; through their usurious credit they controlled and manipulated the slave-owners. Now, in 1931, the virtual dictator of world finance, Bank of England Governor Montagu Collet Norman, was a former Brown Brothers partner, whose grandfather had been boss of Brown Brothers during the U.S. Civil War. Montagu Norman was known as the most avid of Hitler's supporters within British ruling circles, and Norman's intimacy with this firm was essential to his management of the Hitler project. In 1931, while Prescott Bush ran the New York office of Brown Brothers Harriman, Prescott's partner was Montagu Norman's intimate friend Thatcher Brown. The Bank of England chief always stayed at the home of Prescott's partner on his hush-hush trips to New York. Prescott Bush concentrated on the firm's German actitivites, and Thatcher Brown saw to their business in old England, under the guidance of his mentor Montagu Norman. Note #1 Note #2 3. Hitler's Ladder to Power Adolf Hitler became Chancellor of Germany January 30, 1933, and absolute dictator in March 1933, after two years of expensive and violent lobbying and electioneering. Two affiliates of the Bush-Harriman organization played great parts in this criminal undertaking: Thyssen's German Steel Trust; and the Hamburg-Amerika Line and several of its executives. Note #1 Note #3 Let us look more closely at the Bush family's German partners. "Fritz Thyssen" told Allied interrogators after the war about some of his financial support for the Nazi Party: "In 1930 or 1931 ... I told would arrange a credit for him with a Dutch bank in Rotterdam, the Bank fussaur Handel und Schiff the Harriman-Bush affiliate]. I arranged the credit ... he would pay it back in three years.... I chose a Dutch bank because I did not want to be mixed up with German banks in my position, and because I thought it was better to do business wi th a Dutch bank, and I thought I would have the Nazis a little more in my hands.... "The credit was about 250-300,000 has been repaid in part to the Dutch bank, but I think some money is still owing on it...." Note #1 Note #4 The overall total of Thyssen's political donations and loans to the Nazis was well over a million dollars, including funds he raised from others- in a period of terrible money-shortage in Germany. "Friedrich Flick" was the major co-owner of the German Steel Trust with Fritz Thyssen, Thyssen's longtime collaborator and sometime competitor. In preparation for the war crimes tribunal at Nuremberg, the U.S. government said that Flick was "one of leading financiers and industrialists who from 1932 contributed large sums to the Nazi Party ... member of 'Circle of Friends' of Himmler who contributed large sums to the SS." Note #1 Note #5 Flick, like Thyssen, financed the Nazis to maintain their private armies called Schutzstaffel (S.S. or Black Shirts) and Sturmabteilung (S.A., storm troops or Brown Shirts). The Flick-Harriman partnership was directly supervised by Prescott Bush, President Bush's father, and by George Walker, President Bush's grandfather. The Harriman-Walker Union Banking Corp. arrangements for the German Steel Trust had made them bankers for Flick and his vast operations in Germany by no later than 1926. The "Harriman Fifteen Corporation" (George Walker, president, Prescott Bush and Averell Harriman, sole directors) held a substantial stake in the Silesian Holding Co. at the time of the merger with Brown Brothers, January 1, 1931. This holding correlated to Averell Harriman's chairmanship of the "Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation," the American group owning one-third of a complex of steelmaking, coal-mining and zinc-mining activities in Germany and Poland, in which Friedrich Flick owned two-thirds. Note #1 Note #6 The Nuremberg prosecutor characterized Flick as follows: "Proprietor and head of a large group of industrial enterprises (coal and iron mines, steel producing and fabricating plants) ... 'Wehrwirtschaftsfuehrer,' 1938 ...." Note #1 Note #7 For this buildup of the Hitler war machine with coal, steel, and arms production, using slave laborers, the Nazi Flick was condemned to seven years in prison at the Nuremberg trials; he served three years. With friends in New York and London, however, Flick lived into the 1970s and died a billionaire. On March 19, 1934, Prescott Bush-then director of the German Steel Trust's Union Banking Corporation-initiated an alert to the absent Averell Harriman about a problem which had developed in the Flick partnership. Note #1 Note #8 Bush sent Harriman a clipping from the "New York Times" of that day, which reported that the Polish government was fighting back against American and German stockholders who controlled "Poland's largest industrial unit, the Upper Silesian Coal and Steel Company...." The "Times" article continued: "The company has long been accused of mismanagement, excessive borrowing, fictitious bookkeeping and gambling in securities. Warrants were issued in December for several directors accused of tax evasions. They were German citizens and they fled. They were replaced by Poles. Herr Flick, regarding this as an attempt to make the company's board entirely Polish, retaliated by restricting credits until the new Polish directors were unable to pay the workmen regularly." The "Times" noted that the company's mines and mills "employ 25,000 men and account for 45 percent of Poland's total steel output and 12 percent of her coal production. Two-thirds of the company's stock is owned by Friedrich Flick, a leading German steel industrialist, and the remainder is owned by interests in the United States." In view of the fact that a great deal of Polish output was being exported to Hitler's Germany under depression conditions, the Polish government thought that Bush, Harriman, and their Nazi partners should at least pay full taxes on their Polish holdings. The U.S. and Nazi owners responded with a lockout. The letter to Harriman in Washington reported a cable from their European representative: "Have undertaken new steps London Berlin ... please establish friendly relations with Polish Ambassador Harriman Fifteen Corporation memo from George Walker announced an agreement had been made "in Berlin" to sell an 8,000 block of their shares in Consolidated Silesian Steel. Note #1 Note #9 But the dispute with Poland did not deter the Bush family from continuing its partnership with Flick. Nazi tanks and bombs "settled" this dispute in September, 1939 with the invasion of Poland, beginning World War II. The Nazi army had been equipped by Flick, Harriman, Walker, and Bush, with materials essentially stolen from Poland. There were probably few people at the time who could appreciate the irony, that when the Soviets also attacked and invaded Poland from the East, their vehicles were fueled by oil pumped from Baku wells revived by the Harriman/Walker/Bush enterprise. Three years later, nearly a year after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of the Nazis' share in the Silesian-American Corporation under the Trading with the Enemy Act. En emy nationals were said to own 49 percent of the common stock and 41.67 percent of the preferred stock of the company. The order characterized the company as a "business enterprise within the United States, owned by Zurich, Switzerland, and held for the benefit of Bergwerksgesellschaft George von Giesche's Erben, a German corporation...." Note #2 Note #0 Bert Walker was still the senior director of the company, which he had founded back in 1926 simultaneously with the creation of the German Steel Trust. Ray Morris, Prescott's partner from Union Banking Corp. andBrown Brothers Harriman, was also a dir ector. The investigative report prior to the government crackdown explained the "NATURE OF BUSINESS: The subject corporation is an American holding company for German and Polish subsidiaries, which own large and valuable coal and zinc mines in Silesia, Poland and Germany. Since September 1939, these properties have been in the possession of and have been operated by the German government and have undoubtedly been of considerable assistance to that country in its war effort." Note #2 Note #1 The report noted that the American stockholders hoped to regain control of the European properties after the war. 4. Control of Nazi Commerce Bert Walker had arranged the credits Harriman needed to take control of the Hamburg-Amerika Line back in 1920. Walker had organized the "American Ship and Commerce Corp." as a unit of the W.A. Harriman & Co., with contractual power over Hamburg-Amerika's affairs. As the Hitler project went into high gear, Harriman-Bush shares in American Ship and Commerce Corp. were held by the Harriman Fifteen Corp., run by Prescott Bush and Bert Walker. Note #2 Note #2 It was a convenient stroll for the well-tanned, athletic, handsome Prescott Bush. From the Brown Brothers Harriman skyscraper at 59 Wall Street- where he was senior managing partner, confidential investments manager and advisor to Averell and his brother "Bunny"-he walked across to the Harriman Fifteen Corporation at One Wall Street, otherwise known as G.H. Walker & Co.-and around the corner to his subsidiary offices at 39 Broadway, former home of the old W.A. Harriman & Co., and still the offices for American Ship and Commerce, and of the Union Banking Corporation. In many ways, Bush's Hamburg-Amerika Line was the pivot for the entire Hitler project. Averell Harriman and Bert Walker had gained control over the steamship company in 1920 in negotiations with its post-World War I chief execu tive, "Wilhelm Cuno", and with the line's bankers, M.M. Warburg. Cuno was thereafter completely dependent on the Anglo-Americans, and became a member of the Anglo-German Friendship Society. In the 1930-32 drive for a Hitler dictatorship, Wilhelm Cuno contributed important sums to the Nazi Party. Note #2 Note #3 "Albert Voegler" was chief executive of the Thyssen-Flick German Steel Trust for which Bush's Union Banking Corp. was the New York office. He was a director of the Bush-affiliate BHS Bank in Rotterdam, and a director of the Harriman-Bush Hamburg-Amerika Line. Voegler joined Thyssen and Flick in their heavy 1930-33 Nazi contributions, and helped organize the final Nazi leap into national power. Note #2 Note #4 The "Schroeder" family of bankers was a linchpin for the Nazi activities of Harriman and Prescott Bush, closely tied to their lawyers Allen and John Foster Dulles. Baron Kurt von Schroeder was co-director of the massive Thyssen-Huette foundry along with Johann Groeninger, Prescott Bush's New York bank partner. Kurt von Schroeder was treasurer of the support organization for the Nazi Party's private armies, to which Friedrich Flick contributed. Kurt von Schroeder and Montagu Norman's proteaageaa Hjalmar Schacht together made the final arrangments for Hitler to enter the governme nt. Note #2 Note #5 Baron Rudolph von Schroeder was vice president and director of the Hamburg-Amerika Line. Long an intimate contact of Averell Harriman's in Germany, Baron Rudolph sent his grandson Baron Johann Rudolph for a tour of Prescott Bush's Brown Brothers Harriman offices in New York City in December 1932 -- on the eve of their Hitler-triumph. Note #2 Note #6 Certain actions taken directly by the Harriman-Bush shipping line in 1932 must be ranked among the gravest acts of treason in this century. The U.S. Embassy in Berlin reported back to Washington that the "costly election campaigns" and "the cost of maintaining a private army of 300,000 to 400,000 men" had raised questions as to the Nazis' financial backers. The constitutional government of the German republic moved to defend national freedom by ordering the Nazi Party private armies disbanded. The U.S. Embassy reported that the "Hamburg-Amerika Line was purchasing and distributing propaganda attacks a gainst the German government, for attempting this last-minute crackdown on Hitler's forces." Note #2 Note #7 Thousands of German opponents of Hitlerism were shot or intimidated by privately armed Nazi Brown Shirts. In this connection, we note that the original "Merchant of Death," Samuel Pryor, was a founding director of both the Union Banking Corp. and the American Ship and Commerce Corp. Since Mr. Pryor was executive committee chairman of Remington Arms and a central figure in the world's private arms traffic, his use to the Hitler project was enhanced as the Bush family's partner in Nazi Party banking and trans-Atlantic shipping. The U.S. Senate arms-traffic investigators probed Remington after it was joined in a cartel agreement on explosives to the Nazi firm I.G. Farben. Looking at the period leading up to Hitler's seizure of power, the senators found that "German political associations, like the Nazi and others, are nearly all armed with American ... guns.... Arms of all kinds coming from America are transshipped in the Scheldt to river barges before the vessels arrive in Antwerp. They then can be carried through Holland without police inspection or interference. The Hitlerists and Communists are presumed to get arms in this manner. The principal arms coming from America are Thompson submachine guns and revolvers. The number is great." Note #2 Note #8 The beginning of the Hitler regime brought some bizarre changes to the Hamburg-Amerika Line-and more betrayals. Prescott Bush's American Ship and Commerce Corp. notified Max Warburg of Hamburg, Germany, on March 7, 1933, that Warburg was to be the corporation's official, designated representative on the board of Hamburg-Amerika. Note #2 Note #9 Max Warburg replied on March 27, 1933, assuring his American sponsors that the Hitler government was good for Germany: "For the last few years business was considerably better than we had anticipated, but a reaction is making itself felt for some months. We are actually suffering also under the very active propaganda against Germany, caused by some unpleasant circumstances. These occurrences were the natural consequence of the very excited election campaign, but were extraordinarily exaggerated in the foreign press. The Government is firmly resolved to maintain public peace and order in Germany, and I feel perfectly convinced in this respect that there is no cause for any alarm whatsoever." Note #3 Note #0" "On March 29, 1933, two days after Max's letter to Harriman, Max's son Erich sent a cable to his cousin Frederick M. Warburg, a director of the Harriman railroad system. He asked Frederick to "use all your influence" to stop all anti-Nazi activity in America, including "atrocity news and unfriendly propaganda in foreign press, mass meetings, etc." Frederick cabled back to Erich: "No responsible groups here individuals."********** * * " The executive board of the "Hamburg Amerika Line" "(Hapag)" met jointly with the North German Lloyd company board in Hamburg on September 5, 1933. Under official Nazi supervision, the two firms were merged. Prescott Bush's American Ship and Commerce Corp. installed Christian J. Beck, a longtime Harriman executive, as manager of freight and operations in North America for the new joint Nazi shipping lines "(Hapag-Lloyd)") on November 4, 1933. According to testimony of officials of the companies before Congress in 1934, a supervisor from the "Nazi Labor Front" rode with every ship of the Harriman-Bush line; employees of the New York offices were directly organized into the Nazi Labor Front organization; Hamburg-Amerika provided free passage to individuals going abroad for Nazi propaganda purposes; and the line subsidized pro-Nazi newspapers in the U.S.A., as it had done in Germany against the constitutional German government. Note #3 Note #2 In mid-1936, Prescott Bush's American Ship and Commerce Corp. cabled M.M. Warburg, asking Warburg to represent the company's heavy share interest at the forthcoming Hamburg-Amerika stockholders meeting. The Warburg office replied with the information that "we represented you" at the stockholders meeting and "exercised on your behalf your voting power for Rm 3,509,600 Hapag stock deposited with us." From owner-woodco-greens@lists.village.virginia.edu Tue Jun 27 14:05:29 2000 Received: (from domo@localhost) by lists.village.virginia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.0) id OAA36286 for woodco-greens-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:05:27 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: lists.village.virginia.edu: domo set sender to owner-woodco-greens@localhost using -f Received: from mail.virginia.edu (mail.Virginia.EDU <128.143.2.9>) by lists.village.virginia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA28090 for <woodco-greens@lists.village.virginia.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:05:20 -0400 Received: from jefferson.village.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa07569; 27 Jun 2000 10:05 EDT Received: from hn.egroups.com (hn.egroups.com <208.50.144.84>) by jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA13453 for <woodco-greens@jefferson.village.virginia.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:05:09 -0400 (EDT) X-eGroups-Return: avocadolover@vjmail.com Received: from <10.1.10.115> by hn.egroups.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2000 14:05:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:05:00 -0000 From: robert <avocadolover@vjmail.com> To: woodco-greens@jefferson.village.virginia.edu Subject: Part 2 Bush (Conclusion) Message-ID: <8jacae+tm4v@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists.village.virginia.edu id KAA18363 Sender: owner-woodco-greens@lists.village.virginia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: woodco-greens@lists.village.virginia.edu EXCERPTED FROM MATERIAL FOUND AT <a href="http://www.padrak.com/alt/BUSHBOOK_1.html#CHAPTER_2"> transmitted a letter received from Emil Helfferich, German chief executive of both Hapag-Lloyd and of the Standard Oil subsidiary in Nazi Germany: "It is the intention to continue the relations with Mr. Harriman on the same basis as heretofore...." In a colorful gesture, Hapag's Nazi chairman Helfferich sent the line's president across the Atlantic on a Zeppelin to confer with their New York string-pullers. After the meeting with the Zeppelin passenger, the Harriman-Bush office replied: "I am glad to learn that Mr. Hellferich stated that relations between the Hamburg American Line and ourselves will be continued on the same basis as heretofore." Note #3 Note #3 Two months before moving against Bush's Union Banking Corp., the U.S. government ordered the seizure of all property of the Hamburg-Amerika Line and North German Lloyd, under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The investigators noted in the pre-seizure report that Christian J. Beck was still acting as an attorney representing the Nazi firm. Note #3 Note #4 In May 1933, just after the Hitler regime was consolidated, an agreement was reached in Berlin for the coordination of all Nazi commerce with the U.S.A. The "Harriman International Co.," led by Averell Harriman's first cousin Oliver, was to head a syndicate of 150 firms and individuals, to conduct "all exports from Hitler's Germany to the United States". Note #3 Note #5 This pact had been negotiated in Berlin between Hitler's economics minister, Hjalmar Schacht, and John Foster Dulles, international attorney for dozens of Nazi enterprises, with the counsel of Max Warburg and Kurt von Schroeder. John Foster Dulles would later be U.S. Secretary of State, and the great power in the Republican Party of the 1950s. Foster's friendship and that of his brother Allen (head of the Central Intelligence Agency), greatly aided Prescott Bush to become the Republican U.S. senator from Connecticut. And it was to be of inestimable value to George Bush, in his ascent to the heights of "covert action government," that both of these Dulles brothers were the lawyers for the Bush family's far-flung enterprise. Throughout the 1930s, John Foster Dulles arranged debt restructuring for German firms under a series of decrees issued by Adolf Hitler. In these deals, Dulles struck a balance between the interest owed to selected, larger investors, and the needs of the growing Nazi warmaking apparatus for producing tanks, poison gas, etc. Dulles wrote to Prescott Bush in 1937 concerning one such arrangement. The German-Atlantic Cable Company, owning Nazi Germany's only telegraph channel to the United States, had made debt and management agreements with the Walker-Harriman bank during the 1920s. A new decree would now void those agreements, which had originally been reached with non-Nazi corporate officials. Dulles asked Bush, who managed these affairs for Averell Harriman, to get Averell's signature on a letter to Nazi officials, agreeing to the changes. Dulles wrote: "Sept. 22, 1937 "Mr. Prescott S. Bush "59 Wall Street, New York, N.Y. "Dear Press, "I have looked over the letter of the German-American Company to Averell Harriman.... It would appear that the only rights in the matter are those which inure in the bankers and that no legal embarrassment would result, so far as the bondholders are concerned, by your acquiescence in the modification of the bankers' agreement. "Sincerely yours, "John Foster Dulles" Dulles enclosed a proposed draft reply, Bush got Harriman's signature, and the changes went through. Note #3 Note #6 In conjunction with these arrangements, the German Atlantic Cable Company attempted to stop payment on its debts to smaller American bondholders. The money was to be used instead for arming the Nazi state, under a decree of the Hitler government. Despite the busy efforts of Bush and Dulles, a New York court decided that this particular Hitler "law" was invalid in the United States; small bondholders, not parties to deals between the bankers and the Nazis, were entitled to get paid. Note #3 Note #7 In this and a few other of the attempted swindles, the intended victims came out with their money. But the Nazi financial and political reorganization went ahead to its tragic climax. For his part in the Hitler revolution, Prescott Bush was paid a fortune. This is the legacy he left to his son, President George Bush. Notes - Chapter 2 1. Office of Alien Property Custodian, Vesting Order Number 248. Signed by Leo T. Crowley, Alien Property Custodian, executed October 20, 1942; F.R. Doc. 42-11568; Filed, November 6, 1942. 7 Fed. Reg. 9097 (November 7, 1942). The "New York City Directory of Directors", 1930s-40s, list Prescott Bush as a director of Union Banking Corp. from 1934 through 1943. 2. Alien Property Custodian Vesting Order No. 259: Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation; Vesting Order Number 261: Holland-American Trading Corp. 3. Alien Property Custodian Vesting Order No. 370: Silesian-American Corp. 4. "New York Times," December 16, 1944, ran a five-paragraph page 25 article on actions of the New York State Banking Department. Only the last sentence refers to the Nazi bank, as follows: "The Union Banking Corporation, 39 Broadway, New York, has received authority to change its principal place of business to 120 Broadway." The "Times" omitted the fact that the Union Banking Corporation had been seized by the government for trading with the enemy, and the fact that 120 Broadway was the address of the government's Alien Property Custodian. 5. Fritz Thyssen, "I Paid Hitler", 1941, reprinted in (Port Washington, N.Y.: Kennikat Press, 1972), p. 133. Thyssen says his contributions began with 100,000 marks given in October 1923, for Hitler's attempted "putsch" against the constitutional government. 6. Confidential memorandum from U.S. Embassy, Berlin, to the U.S. Secretary of State, April 20, 1932, on microfilm in "Confidential Reports of U.S. State Dept., 1930s, Germany," at major U.S. libraries. 7. October 5, 1942, Memorandum to the Executive Committee of the Office of Alien Property Custodian, stamped CONFIDENTIAL, from the Division of Investigation and Research, Homer Jones, Chief. Now declassified in United States National Archives, Suitland, Maryland annex. Note Record Group 131, Alien Property Custodian, investigative reports, in file box relating to Vesting Order Number 248. 8. "Elimination of German Resources for War": Hearings Before a Subcommittee of the Com mittee on Military Affairs, United States Senate, Seventy-Ninth Congress; Part 5, Testimony of 1945. Page 507: Table of Vereinigte Stahlwerke output, figures are percent of German total as of 1938; Thyssen organization including Union Banking Corporation pp. 727-731. 9. Robert Sobel, "The Life and Times of Dillon Read" (New York: Dutton-Penguin, 1991), pp. 92-111. The Dillon Read firm cooperated in the development of Sobel's book. 10. George Walker to Averell Harriman, August 11, 1927, in W. Averell Harriman papers, Library of Congress (hereafter "WAH papers"). 11. "Iaccarino" to G. H. Walker, RCA Radiogram Sept. 12, 1927. 12. Andrew Boyle, "Montagu Norman" (London: Cassell, 1967). Sir Henry Clay, "Lord Norman" (London, MacMillan & Co., 1957), pp. 18, 57, 70-71. John A. Kouwenhouven, "Partners in Banking ... Brown Brothers Harriman" (Garden City: Doubleday & Co., 1969). 13. Coordination of much of the Hitler project took place at a single New York address. The Union Banking Corporation had been set up by George Walker at 39 Broadway. Management of the Hamburg-Amerika Line, carried out through Harriman's American Ship and Commerce Corp., was also set up by George Walker at 39 Broadway. 14. Interrogation of Fritz Thyssen, EF/Me/1 of Sept. 4, 1945 in U.S. Control Council records, photostat on page 167 in Anthony Sutton, "An Introduction to The Order" (Billings, Mt.: Liberty House Press, 1986). 15. "Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression, Supplement B", by the Office of United States Chief of Counsel for Prosecution of Axis Criminality, U. S. Government Printing Office, (Washington, D.C., 1948), pp. 1597, 1686. 16. "Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation - Meeting of Board of Directors," October 31, 1930 (WAH papers), shows Averell Harriman as Chairman of the Board. Prescott Bush to W.A. Harriman, Memorandum December 19, 1930 on their Harriman Fifteen Corp. Annual Report of United Konigs and Laura Steel and Iron Works for the year 1930 (WAH papers) lists "Dr. Friedrich Flick ... Berlin" and "William Averell Harriman ... New York" on the Board of Directors. "Harriman Fifteen Coporation Securities Position February 28, 1931," WAH papers. This report shows Harriman Fifteen Corporation holding 32,576 shares in Silesian Holding Co. V.T.C. worth (in scarce depression dollars) $1,628,800, just over half the value of the Harriman Fifteen Corporation's total holdings. The "New York City Directory of Directors" volumes for the 1930s (available at the Library of Congress) show Prescott Sheldon Bush and W. Averell Harriman as the directors of Harriman Fifteen Corp. "Appointments," (three typed pages) marked "Noted May 18 1931 W.A.H.," (among the papers from Prescott Bush's New York Office of Brown Brothers Harriman, WAH papers), lists a meeting between Averell Harriman and Friedrich Flick in Berlin at 4:00 P.M., Wednesday April 22, 1931. This was followed immediately by a meeting with Wilhelm Cuno, chief executive of the Hamburg-Amerika Line. The "Report To the Stockholders of the Harriman Fifteen Corporation," October 19, 1933 (WAH papers) names G.H. Walker as president of the corporation. It shows the Harriman Fifteen Corp.'s address as 1 Wall Street · the location of G.H. Walker and Co. 17. "Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression, Supplement B", "op. cit.," p. 1686. 18. Jim Flaherty (a BBH manager, Prescott Bush's employee), March 19, 1934 to W.A. Harriman. "Dear Averell: "In Roland's absence Pres you know that we received the following cable from stockholders January 7, 1935, under the name of George Walker, President. 20. Order No. 370: Silesian-American Corp. Executed November 17, 1942. Signed by Leo T. Crowley, Alien Prop. Custodian. F.R. Doc. 42-14183; Filed, December 31, 1942; 8 Fed. Reg. 33 (Jan. 1, 1943). The order confiscated the Nazis' holdings of 98,000 shares of common and 50,000 shares of preferred stock in Silesian-American. The Nazi parent company in Breslau, Germany wrote to Averell Harriman at 59 Wall St. on Aug. 5, 1940, with "an invitation to take part in the regular meeting of the members of the Bergwerksgesellsc von Giesche's Erben...." WAH papers. 21. Sept. 25, 1942, Memorandum To the Executive Committee of the Office of Alien Property Custodian, stamped CONFIDENTIAL, from the Division of Investigation and Research, Homer Jones, Chief. Now declassified in United States National Archives, Suitland, Maryland annex. See Record Group 131, Alien Property Custodian, investigative reports, in file box relating to Vesting Order Number 370. 22. George Walker was a director of American Ship and Commerce from its organization through 1928. Consult "New York City Directory of Directors". "Harriman Fifteen Corporation Securities Position February 28, 1931," "op. cit." The report lists 46,861 shares in the American Ship & Commerce Corp. See "Message from Mr. Bullfin," August 30, 1934 (Harriman Fifteen section, WAH papers) for the joint supervision of Bush and Walker, respectively director and president of the corporation. 23. Cuno was later exposed by Walter Funk, Third Reich Press Chief and Under Secretary of Propaganda, in Funk's postwar jail cell at Nuremberg; but Cuno had died just as Hitler was taking power. William L. Shirer, L., "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1960), p. 144. "Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression, Supplement B", "op. cit.," p. 1688. 24. See "Elimination of German Resources for War," "op. cit.," pages 881-882 on Voegler. See Annual Report of the (Hamburg-Amerikanische-Packetfahrt-Aktien-Gesellschaft (Hapag or Hamburg-Amerika Line), March 1931, for the board of directors. A copy is in the New York Public Library Annex at 11th Avenue, Manhattan. 25. "Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression-Supplement B," "op. cit.," pp. 1178, 1453-1454, 1597, 1599. See "Elimination of German Resources for War," "op. cit.," pp. 870-72 on Schroeder; p. 730 on Groeninger. 26. Annual Report of Hamburg-Amerika, "op. cit." Baron Rudolph Schroeder, Sr. to Averell Harriman, November 14, 1932. K W In his letter, Baron Rudolph refers to the family's American affiliate, J. Henry Schroder Dulles was a director, and his brother John Foster Dulles was the principal attorney. Baron Bruno Schroder of the British branch was adviser to Bank of England Governor Montagu Norman, and Baron Bruno's partner Frank Cyril Tiarks was Norman's co-director of the Bank of England throughout Norman's career. Kurt von Schroeder was Hjalmar Schacht's delegate to the Bank for International Settlements in Geneva, where many of the financial arrangements for the Nazi regime were made by Montagu Norman, Schacht and the Schroeders for several years of the Hitler regime right up to the outbreak of World War II. 27. Confidential memorandum from U.S. Embassy, Berlin, "op. cit." 28. U.S. Senate "Nye Committee" hearings, Sept. 14, 1934, pp. 1197-1198, extracts from letters of Col. William N. Taylor, dated June 27, 1932 and January 9, 1933. 29. American Ship and Commerce Corporation to Dr. Max Warburg, March 7, 1933. Max Warburg had brokered the sale of Hamburg-Amerika to Harriman and Walker in 1920. Max's brothers controlled the Kuhn Loeb investment banking house in New York, the firm which had staked old E.H. Harriman to his 1890s buyout of the giant Union Pacific Railroad. Max Warburg had long worked with Lord Milner and others of the racialist British Round Table concerning joint projects in Africa and Eastern Europe. He was an advisor to Hjalmar Schacht for several decades and was a top executive of Hitler's Reichsbank. The reader may consult David Farrer, "The Warburgs: The Story of A Family" (New York: Stein and Day, 1975). 30. Max Warburg, at M.M. Warburg and Co., Hamburg, to Averill Harriman, c/o Messrs. Brown Brothers Harriman & Co., 59 Wall Street, New York, N.Y., March 27, 1933. 31. This correspondence, and the joint statement of the Jewish organizations, are reproduced in Moshe R. Gottlieb, "American Anti-Nazi Resistance, 1933-41: An Historical Analysis" (New York: Ktav Publishing House, 1982). 32. "Investigation of Nazi Propaganda Activities and Investigation of Certain Other Propaganda Activities": Public Hearings before A Subcommittee of the Special Committee on Un-American Activities, United States House of Representatives, Seventy Third Congress, New York City, July 9-12, 1934 -- Hearings No. 73-NY-7 (Washington, D.C., U.S. Govt. Printing Office, 1934). See testimony of Capt. Frederick C. Mensing, John Schroeder, Paul von Lilienfeld-Toal, and summaries by Committee members. See "New York Times," July 16, 1933, p. 12, for organizing of Nazi Labor Front at North German Lloyd, leading to Hamburg-Amerika after merger. 33. American Ship and Commerce Corporation telegram to Rudolph Brinckmann at M.M. Warburg, June 12, 1936. Rudolph Brinckmann to Averell Harriman at 59 Wall St., June 20, 1936, with enclosed note transmitting Helferrich's letter. Reply to Dr. Rudolph Brinkmann c/o M.M. Warburg and Co, July 6, 1936, WAH papers. The file copy of this letter carries no signature, but is presumably from Averell Harriman. 34. Office of Alien Property Custodian, Vesting Order Number 126. Signed by Leo T. Crowley, Alien Property Custodian, executed August 28, 1942. F.R. Doc. 42-8774; Filed September 4, 1942, 10:55 A.M.; 7 F.R. 7061 (Number 176, Sept. 5, 1942.) July 18, 1942, Memorandum To the Executive Committee of the Office of Alien Property Custodian, stamped CONFIDENTIAL, from the Division of Investigation and Research, Homer Jones, Chief. Now declassified in United States National Archives, Suitland, Maryland annex. See Record Group 131, Alien Property Custodian, investigative reports, in file box relating to Vesting Order Number 126. 35. "New York Times," May 20, 1933. Leading up to this agreement is a telegram which somehow escaped the shredder. It is addressed to Nazi official Hjalmar Schacht at the Mayflower Hotel, Washington, dated May 11, 1933: "Much disappointed to have missed seeing you Tueday afternoon.... I hope to see you either in Washington or New York before you sail. with my regards W.A. Harriman" (WAH papers). 36. Dulles to Bush, letter and draft reply in WAH papers. 37. "New York Times," Jan. 19, 1938." END OF INFORMATION FOUND AT <a href="http://www.padrak.com/alt/BUSHBOOK_1.html#CHAPTER_2">http://www.padrak.com/alt/BUSHBOOK_1.html#CHAPTER_2</a> From owner-woodco-greens@lists.village.virginia.edu Tue Jun 27 18:12:53 2000 Received: (from domo@localhost) by lists.village.virginia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.0) id SAA38283 for woodco-greens-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:12:51 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: lists.village.virginia.edu: domo set sender to owner-woodco-greens@localhost using -f Received: from mail.virginia.ed |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 12:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. HinkcleyandBushlikethis: They probably use "window cleaner" spiders. |
It's not your imagination, JohnOneillsMemory. Information on the Bushes is disappearing.
Perhaps their web gurus have coopted Metacrawler. Their thing would crawl around and scrub away embarrassing revelations. I first noticed missing links and articles when it came to the Reagan-Bush-Hinckley connection: Neil Bush Had Dinner Plans With Hinckley Brother Before Shooting March 31, 1981 By: Staff Associated Press HOUSTON - The family of the man charged with trying to assassinate President Reagan is acquainted with the family of Vice President George Bush and had made large contributions to his political campaign, the Houston Post reported today. The newspaper said in a copyright story, Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley Jr., who allegedly shot Reagan, was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the vice president's sons. The newspaper said it was unable to reach Scott Hinckley, vice president of his father's Denver-based firm, Vanderbilt Energy Corp., for comment. Neil Bush lives in Denver, where he works for Standard Oil Co. of Indiana. In 1978, Neil served as campaign manager for his brother, George W. Bush, the vice president's oldest son, who made an unsuccessful bid for Congress. Neil lived in Lubbock throughout much of 1978, where John Hinckley lived from 1974 through 1980. On Monday, Neil Bush said he did not know if he had ever met 25-year-old John Hinckley. "I have no idea," he said. "I don't recognize any pictures of him. I just wish I could see a better picture of him. Sharon Bush, Neil's wife, said Scott Hinckley was coming to their house as a date of a girl friend of hers. CONTINUED... http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=6153&fcategory_desc=The BTW: Great job on the GOOGLE cache. Interesting how George Orwell was right about the day coming when the powers-that-still-be would work to rewrite history. Oh, well. Or, well. All we can do is cut, paste, link and spread around. Hope we can go faster than they can scrub, or it's lights-out. |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
27. I don't think he's a felon (although he should be). |
But he is the first pResident to have been arrested a few times. But republicans don't like to talk about that.
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:54 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. One of his arrests is for stealing a Christmas wreath. |
Gee. How low is that?
There may be another explanation: Is Bush Nuts? by William Thomas What drives a man to go against the wishes of his countryfolk and the entire world community - including the presidents of Russia, China, France and Germany? How can a professed Christian continue to defy church leaders worldwide - including the Bishops of Britain and the Pope? How does he rationalize breaking the commandments of his God, which clearly prohibit coveting another's property, theft of their oil, and mass murder of defenseless populations? How can he ignore his own generals when they complain, "We're advocating a policy that says we will invade another nation that is not currently attacking us or invading any of our allies." To those who deem it unseemly to count the brick's on one man's load, let us recall that this unelected President is one brick short of killing what the UN fears could be up to a half-million people in Iraq. This massacre could easily see Pakistan's government – and its 30 to 40 nukes – falling to an al Qaeda/Taliban majority. Bush's announced plans to attack North Korea and Iran have already prompted both countries to hit the nuclear gas pedal, virtually assuring a "nuclear event". And his $5 trillion blowout has taken the American economy to a $2 trillion deficit in two short years. As ignored global warming triggers Extreme Weather Events, frightened Nobel price-winning economists warn that GW's proposed $600 billion tax cut is "fiscal madness" - "a very serious economic error" that will collapse the country in exactly the same way the ex-Soviet Empire went bust buying and deploying so many arms in so many places. Ditto Imperial Rome. Are these the acts of a rational person? CONTINUED... http://www.willthomas.net/911/Bush/ |
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anarchy1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
39. Go look for Jackson Thoreau. Just google. |
"W" a felon, oh heavens no!
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Thanks. Heard of him and read his stuff. Do you know Mark Lombardi? |
This guy pegged the Bush Crime Family. Below is "George W Bush, Harken Energy, and Jackson Stephens ca. 1979-90."
Mark Lombardi: Social Networks Mark Lombardi (1951–2000) has been compared to Robert Smithson and Gordon Matta-Clark, in terms of the conceptual power of his work and its widespread influence. His drawings are visual narratives of the way money flows in our post-imperial, trans-national economy: from corporations to political organizations, from individuals to various ad hoc groups, most of them acting outside of national boundaries—and often outside the law. Using graphite and red pencil, and information culled from newspaper accounts, television, and other sources in the public domain, Lombardi developed a new type of history painting that maps the economic underpinnings of our global society. New York Times art critic Michael Kimmelman described these drawings as “delicate spider webs of scandal” that “can be seen as a metaphor for the elusiveness of truth that was Lombardi’s subject.” Lombardi's work attains almost prophetic significance in today's current political and economic climate. “At some point in my development,” he wrote, “I began to reject reductivist approaches in favor of one capable of evoking the complexity, venality, and occasional brutality of the times.” Charting patterns of exchange in the new global networks that have until now evaded visual description, the drawings' dryly lyrical lines are dashed, dotted, or continuous, signifying different kinds of clandestine financial connections. Each work has an almost musical quality, where density of (trans)action is indicated by clusters of lines and marks, visually punctuating the sheets of paper like carefully placed musical notations. SOURCE: http://www.ici-exhibitions.org/Exhibitions/MarkLombardi/MarkLombardi.htm Just as his career was starting to take off, Lombardi became a "suicide." |
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anarchy1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Thanks for posting, I can never remember his name. Awesome to say |
the least. Art at its very best.
Just another strange \ "suicide", courtesy of the BFEE. |
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anarchy1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I worry for Jackson and his family every day. |
n/t
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