I believe the resistance chose to melt away during the election

[Stevendsmith]

as they did during the US military conquest.

Something tells me they will be back with even greater ferocity.

The wingnuts may want to temper their gloating and their "1776" comparisons.

I believe this is going to be another "Mission Accomplished" moment.

I want peace for the Iraqis, but not at the cost of further empowering the Bush regime.

[warrior1]

1. chances are

our media isn't telling the whole story. Gag order on Iraq. No unhappy stories to mess with the bushites minds.

[bluestateguy]

2. Today was not exactly a quiet day

There were about 10 suicide bomb attacks, 35 people killed and 1 US soldier killed.

[LisaL]

5. And the British plane crashed, they still wouldn't say how many

died.

[zmdem]

3. How nice of you

"I want peace for the Iraqis, but not at the cost of further empowering the Bush regime".

For partisan gain in the USA you would sacrifice the Iraqi people ?

[LisaL]

4. Well, I don't think it's about what he wants or doesn't want, is it?

It's not like he has the power to make it what he wants it to be.

[zmdem]

10. It's what he said, sorry (n/t)

[salin]

6. That struck me as well.

Seperate the two... peace for the Iraqis (don't know that this is a real step towards that - very complicated and dangerous on the ground) from ongoing success or failure of the bush administration.

Btw I predict there will soon be a Mission Accomplished photo op moment for bush (or maybe it will be rolled into the SOTU speech), and that due to the mess that is the state of the insurgency on the ground... there will be a period where the violence spikes again and again bush will look bad. But let bushco's implosion be seperated from our wishes that at somepoint (sooner better than later) peace and stability can be found for the people of Iraq.

[Rockerdem]

31. This election was timed to get spin material for the SOTU speech

Rove and Bush never do anything that isn't highly scripted. They knew that after the euphoria over Nov 2 in the ranks began to fade, they needed another fairy tale to present to them. This was planned a long time ago, looking ahead to the calendar.

[ashmanonar]

8. i think he means that

we should try to make our country democratic before we ever try to "fix" anybody else's. it's not partisan gain, but to make this country truly free (i know, the word leaves a foul taste in my mouth now too, bc of bush) rather than corporate property.

[zmdem]

11. Fair enough, but

That's not we said re: Iraq

[aquart]

9. Nice twisting.

Empowering the Bush regime would NOT sacrifice the Iraqi people? Get your head out of the clouds. The Iraqis are dead meat no matter WHAT happens now. Negroponte was appointed for what reason? His specialty is death squads. Gonzales and Rumsfeld are both torture boys. There are three main groups in Iraq and a gazillion splinters fighting for power of their groups. Resist US domination? Fallujah.

Iraq was held together by an iron hand. We can loose Negroponte and go right back to Saddam-style, or we can step back and let the civil war happen. THOSE are the choices. Nothing else is going to happen in Iraq.

And everyone but BushCo knew it from Day One.

[zmdem]

14. You misread the OP

He specifically stated that it would be better for the Iraqis to suffer than for Bush to succeed there.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

25. So what? Whay defend Bush? He could give a shit about them

Is it your job to defend him here?

[zmdem]

26. Yes, it is my job

and I get paid the big bucks by Karl Rove Rove to do so. Why are you here ?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

27. Oh give me a break...if you are going to post pro Bush comments

be prepared to feel the love.

[Stevendsmith]

13. Partisan gain?

Sacrifice the Iraqi people?

This goes well beyond partisan interest. We are under the rule of the most destructive, corrupt government this country has ever know. The Bush administration is bent on and succeeding in destroying our environment, our social security, our standing in the world, etc. etc.

This is not a partisan thing. This is about saving the country.

As for "sacrificing the Iraqi people." That is absurd. They are not ours to sacrifice. We have no business in their country.

Here's my bottom line: What's good for Bush is BAD for the US. Jeez, have you not realized that yet?

[zmdem]

19. Which country ?

Plainly we do have business in Iraq. You seem to have no concern for the Iraqi people. Failure there is a good option because it weakens Bush ? How nice.

"Here's my bottom line: What's good for Bush is BAD for the US. Jeez, have you not realized that yet?"

No, I haven't. It's simplistic and uninformed.

[Stevendsmith]

23. Huh?

You seem to be operating under the assumption that Bush has good intentions for Iraq, that these elections are legitimate.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

And for the last time: I DON'T WANT TO SEE IRAQIS DIE. Jesus! That's why I am opposed to the grand lie that is this war.

Let me restate: THIS HOLLOW ELECTION WILL BE A PROPAGANDA VICTORY FOR THE WORST ADMINISTRATION EVER.

I HATE THAT IRAQIS ARE DYING.

I DON'T WANT BUSH TO BE FURTHER EMPOWERED TO INVADE OTHER COUNTRIES AND KILL MORE PEOPLE.

[zmdem]

24. Bush's intentions are unknown to me

I don't know the man.

A successful outcome in Iraq is desirable. Sorry if that "empowers" Bush. I'd rather see Bush empowered than Iraq fail.

[[e-mail]]

30. Reality Check:

"We are under the rule of the most destructive, corrupt government this country has ever know. The Bush administration is bent on and succeeding in destroying our environment, our social security, our standing in the world, etc. etc."

-- dude, everyone heard this argument before November, and guess what, we lost. Vox populi, vox deii.

[Ms. Clio]

38. Who are you calling "we?"

I think you took a wrong turn somewhere.

[meisje]

7. So you want more death?? Just as long as Bush fails, right?

[Hatalles]

17. No, I think he's simply making an observation...

The resistance chooses their fights for maximum effect -- they may be waiting for a US-backed Iraqi leader to come into power before targeting him.

[Stevendsmith]

18. Oh yes, please. More death.

Give me a F**king break.

The point of my post was to say--despite the gloating of the wingnuts--this nightmare is far from over.

If this adventure had anything to do with legitimate Iraqi democracy, I'd be behind it. But of course, we know it is nothing of the sort.

Oh, and I dream of Bush failure just about every waking moment, thank you very much.

[ima_sinnic]

21. I think he means he wants peace for the Iraqi people but on their

own terms, not by having to bow down to Bushit.

[theresistance]

12. There was a media myth that "insurgents" were

waging a campaign of "fear and intimidation" to "derail" the "democratic process" and "historic elections". Largely false, although there were some attacks. There were not many attacks as they wanted to avoid killing their own people - they are saving themselves to continue their war against the occupation forces.

[Ms. Clio]

35. Yes, that's exactly what I think, too n/t

[Bouncy Ball]

15. 1776 comparisons??????

Dear GOD, people are making 1776 comparisons??? I don't watch news on TV, tell me this isn't so.

I think I'm going to be sick. :puke:

And I agree....I don't see anything but things getting WORSE from here on out. And God knows the Iraqis and our troops don't need things to get worse than they already are.

[Kat45]

37. Oh! THAT must be where my mother got her comments from!

She was making happy comments about the Iraqi people voting and how wonderful it is. I commented negatively and mentioned the bombings of polling places, etc. and my mother commented that it must have been like that in the days of the Patriots in this country! I had a WTF reaction: why would she even think to make that comparison? I guess now I know why.

[DrWeird]

16. They probably voted.

I'd think Iraqis are at least as interested in the next Iraqi government as anybody else.

[Stirk]

20. Actually, it was just our media coverage that melted away.

Last I heard there were 9 suicide attacks and some 44 people killed during Iraq's election.

I think we're watching one of the Bush Administration's larger propaganda pushes, personally- much like the infamous toppling of a Hussein statue in Baghdad. The BBC mentioned that their Iraq offices had lots of very ecstatic Iraqi voters milling about outside it, but that wasn't the case outside the area.

[kendall]

22. If they did then they are idiots.

The resistance is partly an effort to win the hearts and minds of the populace.

If they say one day they are going to create rivers of blood from the voters, then the next do just about nothing, what are the people suposed to think? That they are spineless liars? Why would anyone follow them?

If they did indeeed just melt away then they might as well stay melted, because a lot of Iraqis are not going to treat them seriously after this point (even though obviously attacks will continue).

[newyawker99]

28. Hi kendall!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Ms. Clio]

36. Or maybe they didn't want to kill their own people

since that's not exactly the way to win hearts and minds.

Just ask the U.S.

100,000+ and counting.

[[e-mail]]

29. In other words...

"I want peace for the Iraqis, but not at the cost of further empowering the Bush regime."

-- in other words, you'd rather see Iraqis die than Bush get a political lift?

Well, that shows what your priorities are.

[thedailyshow]

32. I think the insurgency waited to know who won the vote

so that they would later assassinate members of the parties that won the vote.

[Disturbed]

33. U.S. Edicts Curb Power Of Iraq's Leadership

U.S. Edicts Curb Power Of Iraq's Leadership

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8665-2004Jun26.html

[WillieWoohah]

34. I want peace for the Iraqis unconditionally

I want peace for the Iraqis, but not at the cost of further empowering the Bush regime.

Seriously, why should stopping Bush take precedence?