To Draft Age DUers: If drafted, will you go, or will you resist?

[mopaul]

I say, FUCK THE DRAFT. I say go to prison rather than fight in this obscenity they call a war, they don't have enough prisons to hold you all.

Two of my sons are of draft age, 33 and 21, and if they get drafted, I am storming into the streets with all the other parents who will finally take a stand and stop these fucking maniacs.

FUCK THE DRAFT AND FUCK GEORGE BUSH.

[EFerrari]

1. I'll be right there with you. One of my sons and so many of my

students are in the crosshairs. Ain't gonna happen.

[Stop_the_War]

2. I will RESIST!

[Betsy Ross]

3. Write to the Canadian Prime Minister

to cut the refuge crap and offer sanctuary to draft resistors of an illegal war.

When the time comes, rent a bus and drive young people across the border.

[mopaul]

5. we need a better option than running to Canada...like massive resistance

massive protests, massive boycotts, and massive prescence at the white house

[Feathered Fish]

8. And if that doesn't work

This Canadian will support all asylum seekers.

[Betsy Ross]

13. Remember the 60's

We protested the war. We protested the draft.

But like the US in Iraq: You need an exit strategy,

[H2O Man]

24. Very true .....

I agree 100%.

I also believe that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. People should be preparing to file as C.O.s. I have been putting information on my blog about preparing for a draft.

[H2O Man]

27. "Unfinished Symphony"

is playing on the Sundance channel noe (8-9 pm est). Every young person draft age should be watching it. Every parent of draft-aged youth should be watching it. It's a reminder of what the Vietnam war was, and wasn't. It's also a clear warning of what is coming our way.

[Just Me]

29. I'll trust my own inner resources,...and trust yours, as well.

I never had an "easy" life to begin with,...scrapping my way through every inch of the way,...waiting tables to an advance degree in being a "word and thought warrior" and non-violent conflict advocate.

I am not built of the stuff you advocate. I am just NOT that kind of warrior.

I admire those who do hold a strength different from me,...but, I will never pretend to possess something I simply do not have.

If I am able to take myself and my only "draftee to be" out of this environment, I will. After all, as a single mother of one child, I have the ethical and moral right to protect us from any and all threats. I have the option of doing so by removing us both from this psychologically and possibly physical violence.

If you reject me due to your convictions,...that's okay, too. I've been throught the meat-grindin' enough times that I have no physical or emotional bones to be broken, by anyone.

[Dying Eagle]

4. Age: 23

I will resist. This is not the America I would fight for. OHHH-CANADA!!!

[Goldeneye]

6. Assuming girls are drafted I would resist.

[babylonsister]

11. When a draft happens, I'm sure it will

be equal opportunity for both sexes. I'm too old, I say gratefully.

[HockeyMom]

19. Daughters

My daughter in college (Education Major) has said she will move to Ireland and my 25 year old (who almost ENLISTED 6 years ago) has said she will scream she is GAY (is) to the highest hilltop.

[Spider Jerusalem]

7. I thought the cutoff was 26.

And I'm probably 4-F, but if it came to it, I wouldn't. (I'm 27.)

[dweller]

28. i've read 35yrs. now

and special skills (med & technology) could be up to early 40's..

it's in a bill i think, you'd have to check around or maybe someone would fill in the details.

dp

[kendall]

49. I read it was 80!!

Like, I read on this one website that it was up to 80! And that if you could speak English you were going for sure! The plan is to empty the entire country and then slip the microphones in our pillows while we are all out on duty.

The whole worry about a draft shows a serious understanding of what the milatary does nowadays, and pulls people away from spending energy fighting real problems. I think at this point anything you read about a draft is to get you fired up and not thinking about other things.

[TheWatcher]

58. It sounds like you have a serious misunderstanding of REALITY.

Shouldn't you be lapping up "Good News" Election Coverage on Fox right now?

Move along little soldier.

Might want to get used to the above phrase if you are under 35. You're likely to be hearing it in the next 18-24 months.

[seito]

9. What About the Back Door Draft?

If I get the recall, will I go, or will I resist???

[mopaul]

10. good question

whole other atrocity

[babylonsister]

14. Damn. So I take it you're eligible, Seito?

Damn...

[seito]

36. Yes, unfortunately

[GarySeven]

12. I hope that some of our DU brethren

will help create a network to help teens get out of the country if they are drafted. It's time for a little civil disobedience on large and small scales.

[Betsy Ross]

15. I have publicly stated that if the draft is reinstated,

all my protest, organizing, and action efforts will go to keeping young people out of the military.

[me b zola]

55. Time to truely be the Underground

And at the same time....

Take to the streets!!!

[Blue_State_Elitist]

16. Would they honestly send a squad car to come arrest you for draft dodging?

I wouldn't go fight, but I wouldn't march over to the police station either.

[Spacejet]

54. Actually

Since you'd be breaking a federal law the feds (FBI) would probably come for you.

Unless Bush has declared martial law, that is. In which case it would be MP's.

[GirlWithoutAPlanet]

17. RESIST

There is no way I'd go.

[Career Prole]

18. This may get me flamed, but.....

All weekend long I watched saccharine coverage of Iraqi expats around the country thanking the chimp for the election and saying they felt they were striking a blow for their country by voting.

Of the 10% who showed up there were certainly many who looked draft age to me. One boasted of his dual citizenship and crowed that both his countries were now free.

At the risk of drawing fire from the board, I have to say I couldn't help wondering why these guys weren't signing up in either our army or the Iraqi army...both are in dire need of help, and it seems more appropriate for Iraqis of fighting age to fight this fight than some carrot-top from I-o-way who just wanted college money.

If they fawn on shrub, cheer for this war (yet refuse to fight it), as far as I'm concerned they're just another form of freeper.
Go ahead now...call me a reprehensible bigot. :eyes:

[Nadienne]

38. If it's not freeperish, it's certainly hypocritical of them. (n/t)

[MADem]

56. Are you kidding?

These aren't typical, conscripted Iraqis. They're quite well-to-do. They had to pay the BRIBE to get OUT of Iraq--poor folks do not have that kind of cash.

Military work, you see, is something that POOR FOLKS do. If you have a friend in government, you get out of it, or go on a short little one-year summer camp sort of thing. There are ways, if you know the right people. It's considered beneath them. The Iraqi conscripts are generally the second, third, fourth, fifth son of a susbsistence rural father with not enough farmland to subdivide. Even the officer corps, though slightly tonier, isn't as good a job as being a "businessman."

Enlistees in arab armies (Turkish and southwest asian, eg, Iran, Pakistan) are largely disrespected, especially the lower ranks. They are astounded at the levels of responsibility that we give our junior personnel, and they are astounded, too, at the skill levels of our service personnel across the ranks. What we let an E-4 do would take an 0-2 at a minimum, with a helping E-6 or 7. Lots of checks and balances...not much initiative, not much trust at all.

[Rapcw]

20. it will be canada for me

why should I die for someone I didn't vote for while the people who voted for him are staying home?

[phusion]

21. Skills Draft

What if you were chosen for a "skills draft?"

I'm 23. I wouldn't support this/any war in any capacity...I would organize against a draft.

[dog_lovin_dem]

22. I told my 22 year old son

that they'd draft him over my dead body, and he replied, "Don't have to worry, Mom. I'd sit in prison before I fight for something I don't believe in or agree with."
He's just as disgusted with this administration as I am, if not more.

I'm ready to take to the streets at the first sign of reinstatement.

[mopaul]

23. it may be the only thing that gets people up off their asses against bush

NOTHING else has worked

[Nite Owl]

25. I have two draft age sons

and no way will they fight one of *'s wars. I will stay and fight but they are going to Canada.

[LeftyMom]

26. I'm not going.

I simply refuse to be a part of the evil enterprise. I will not take a non-combat support structure job and I won't do some sort of "alternate service" because that implies that the state has the right to make me fight and that permitting me to do something else is some sort of benevolence instead of a lesser oppression.

I'll go to jail first, my chances of escaping with my sanity intact and my hands unbloodied are much better. Maybe I could help out with an educational program or work in the library. Throwing young mothers in jail for refusing to fight would create opposition to the draft and the war.

[wellst0nev0ter]

30. Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six

But I'd still support a draft because we seriously need some reassessing of some opinions. Let the proto-neocons with their inflated sense of entitlement put their money where their overindulged little mouths are.

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[HughBeaumont]

32. There wouldn't be a jail large enough to hold those who would resist this

bullshit, including myself. You can't FORCE someone to die for oil interests, and make ZERO mistake about it, that's exactly what you're doing. Even though I'm 36 this year, you know they'll pull some stupidity like a tech skills draft or something, and those papers would be promptly and uncerimoniously burned.

I'd also have the pleasure of laughing long and loud at 2 of my Bushbot neighbors (one of whom has more Hitler/Goebbels stickers on his car than an average bar parking lot in any red county of your choosing) and seeing what their reactions would be if their two draft-age boys got called to fight brown people for Der Fuhrer.

[Borgnine]

33. Hell no.

I'm 21. I'll gladly go to prison than fire one single bullet for this corrupt regime.

[deadparrot]

34. I'm going to be 18 in two days...and HELL, NO.

The day he announces a draft, the day I'm leaving on a jet plane...somewhere. My dad offered to buy my plane ticket, and I plan to take advantage of his generous offer.

[DireStrike]

35. I'm resisting if I get called.

[kcass1954]

37. NO DRAFT!!!

My son is 18, and got to vote last year. There's no way he's going anywhere! It will be over my dead body. I've offered to shoot him in the foot, on an ongoing basis if necessary. He says he will not go. He's against all war, but refers to this one as "immoral and illegal".

Everytime I see pictures of the soldiers who have died, I end up in tears. They're boys, most of them young enough to be my son.

I'm trying to make arrangements to get out of work early enough Friday, so he and I can go to our 1st anti-war demonstration.

[Nadienne]

39. Resisting the draft and going to prison

would be an interesting way to make friends :) I think I would make it my goal, to get thrown in prison and hook up with others who were thrown in prison for the same reason..

[Aristus]

40. I wish I had a draft card,

so I could burn it!

I did my time. Served in my war. Got my medals. So f*ck off, Bush and Dickhead!

:nuke:

[lonestarnot]

41. Well if I have an ounce of strenght left in me I'll beat my kid's ass off

and throw it in the slammer myself before I'll let him go and I'm a veteran! Fuck bushitler and his kids! Fuck his horse! Fuck the repukes... Not fightin' in this sham ass war!

[welshTerrier2]

42. no kids and too old but ...

if they start dragging people off against their will i will be there to fight them ... you're damned straight i will be ...

i know some who are calling for a draft are well meaning but i just don't think they understand ... don't legalize their murderous conscription ... don't let them get their greedy paws on you, your spouse, your children, your family, your friends or your neighbors ...

wars are being fought to serve the pig corporations ... take a hint, Exxon (you remember Exxon, the sign of the double cross) Mobil reported record earnings today in the billions upon billions of dollars ... their greedy pig stockholders are very happy ...

the record profits were attributed to very high oil prices that were made high by instability in the Middle East ... think those bastards, who would gladly take your son or your daughter (or you), want to see the war in Iraq end anytime soon?????????

just say "NO" to the fucking draft ...

[KoKo]

43. My worry is that those DU'ers of draft age don't take this seriously,

enough. Having no experience with it, they think it will never happen.

It's those of us who know what it meant who are so alarmed.

Thanks for posting this MoPaul...I know you know.. I think we have to sound the alarm for those who think it will all "pass by."

[oasis]

44. "It can't happen here". How many people have awakened since those

words were first spoken? How many more will someday wake up to realize that this isn't their grandfather's America anymore?

[Finding Rawls]

47. I'm 22 years old

My father was a conscientious objector during the Vietnam War. Instead of being sent overseas he worked at a local school for troubled children. He's spoken to me of the draft board and how nerve wrecking it was going before the panel and stating his case. I feel that I understand the implications of a draft for me.

And I don't believe there will be a draft. It would be the end of the Republican Party.

[MADem]

57. I'm thinking back to the old --alarming-- days

...and I heard this EXACT same shit right before the lottery. Hell no, I won't go!!! They ain't getting ME. I'll be in the STREETS, maaaan...No way, dude!!

They ended up going. 58K didn't come back.

Everyone counted on a high draft number. The rest counted on good grades, parents who could afford tuition, and that good ole college deferment. When the desperate ones played the gay card, the recruiters would invite them to suck something, and tell them to get their fucking asses on the bus. They just weren't playing. It was serious cannon fodder time. And they would put out an arrest warrant, and use the local cops, to round kids up who failed to report. Some of the cops enjoyed the duty. After all, they were PIGS back in those days.

There are fewer "outs" built into the system this time. They've cut off the Canadian escape hatch, you'd have to live as a fugitive up there, too.

Of course, if they target the draft, it will be very specified, unless we get to WW3 troop requirements, because we are invading the world. They are in that case going to have to reactivate a few spare boot camps. Anyone who lives near any military facilites with good parade fields, keep your eyes open for some milcon projects that look suspiciously like open-bay barracks, a gear issue facility, a classroom facility and a mess hall. That's about all ya need.....especially if the facility already has a base gym, exchange, hospital and dental clinic...

[RockStar]

45. Mexico here I come. FUCK BUSH AND FAKE WAR

[theorist]

46. Resist. Assuming they can catch up with me.

I haven't updated my address info with Selective Services, so if my number comes up, they'll have to track me down. I'm a busy guy, so it's likely that they will have a hard time getting ahold of me. ;)

Even if they do find me and drag me down to the southern state I used to call home, I'll do everything within my rights to slow down the process. (It may be helpful to get some DU law experts to draft up a set of legal procedures for the draft age DUers.)

Needless to say, I will sit in a military prison for as long as necessary to protest this illegal war. It might be a blessing in disguise, though, all of these imprisoned and vilified kids writing the magnum opi for the rest of the world to read. Mine will be titled Take My Country. Please, Take My Country (a reference to the neo-con takeover, of course).

[NNguyenMD]

48. I will go...its not fair for the others who are forced to serve and feel

abandoned by those who should have spoke for them. The best position to be in when protesting a war if when you have already or are currently serving in one. At least there I can be with them, besides they'll probably need all the healthcare professionals that they can get (the soldiers not the Pentagon).

Just to follow up on that, I meant to say that its not fair for someone like me to not go. I've been spoiled with a good education and a good life living with financial comfort in the United States. I don't feel right not going if called in a draft. Those kids who will end out serving won't be the upper middle class guys like me with money and a degree, it'll be the poor kids who had no one to speak up for them when they were forced to go. If I get call, it'll most likely be because I have an expertise that those soldiers in the field will need, thats the best way I think that I'll be able to serve them.

Why not join now you say? Since there are already poor kids who are already being forced to stay? Maybe because I'm human like anyone else and really don't want to die in a war zone, but if I was called up to do so I'd go. I'm not a war mongerer either.

[American Tragedy]

50. Well, as my father resisted 35 years ago, so too shall I. I'm not afraid.

I strongly doubt there will be a draft, but if there is, I will not go.

In fact, I hope to God that they try it. It would be the end of them.

[knight_of_the_star]

51. I will burn my draft card in Bush's face

Before I go to fight in his wars!

[njdemocrat106]

52. No way

I hope the Bush administration is dumb enough just to suggest a draft. I think it would be the end of them, and hopefully America will see through Bush's wall of lies.

[Bugaboo]

53. I'm a healthcare professional...

I saw a NYT article that said they are planning a selective draft of drs./nurses/other health care professionals and the age span was something like 25-45. If this actually happens, and they register women, I'll be in that high risk group.

If I were drafted for combat, the answer is easy. There's no way in hell I would go - I will not take another's life. But this is harder for me as a nurse. My job - my commitment - is to save lives, and if I do it here or do it there, is there really a difference? I'm not sure I could turn my back on the injured and dying in Iraq because I don't believe in this war. On the other hand, do I want to risk my life, PTSD, exposure to god knows what, and so on? Do I want to be part of something that I am so opposed to? Do I really want to put myself in a situation that greatly increases the chance of my untimely death and do I want to put my wife and family in that position as well?

For me this is tough question and it scares the shit out of me.

[strategery blunder]

59. I'll try for a medical deferment.

Barring that, I might serve noncombatant. I have yet to decide. Mom isn't too worried, because she thinks I'm too independent-minded and would flunk out of boot camp.:) If only...

However, if they arm me, I will commit modern-day sepukku, preferably in full view of other soldiers, and I will make that VERY CLEAR to the draft board.

[Sirveri]

60. I joined the Navy to avoid a draft to Iraq proper.

[underseasurveyor]

61. May I speak for both my sons?! OK ;-)

We have discussed this many times and to my surprise and much to my dismay (at first but not now) both of them said they would just go ahead and go. ----> :wow: <---- me:-( WHAT! After everything you know about the bush crime family?

So mama had to set them boys oh so very straight on that:mad: and I did.


It's good when your grown sons are still more afraid of their dear sweet mommy, who loves and adores them BTW (bats eyes), than any one else on earth :evilgrin:

So needless to say they'll be drafted
:mad:over my dead fuckin body:grr:

[mopaul]

63. my oldest son wanted to go to the gulf war under bush one

and i had a little 'talk' with him, one hour later, he'd come to his senses. like most fine young men, he has a patriotic streak and wanted to go an fight saddam. and like you, OMDB....(over my dead body)

[underseasurveyor]

65. It's not that they want to enlist or go to war

Both boys have no desire to ever enlist in the military. They are very aware and know how evil the bush family evil empire is and they KNOW how much I abhor-loathe-hate-despise-etc. bush and everything he stands for and they do too, that's what flabbergasted me when they said so nonchalantly as if it were no big deal if they were drafted they'd just go.

So I told them I'd tie em up, duct tape em, throw them in the trunk of my car and I will take them some where, ANY where, but there was no way in hell bush was going to have my children for fodder. Reminding them by showing them pictures of what war really looks like brought the reality back. I can spare the rope and the duct tape treatment now :-)

I can be fiercer than a rabid mother bear when it comes to my cubs and to get to them, they gotta get through me, first. And papa bear too. :grr:

Much like yourself :thumbsup:

[Kamikaze]

62. I'm 21, prime draft age...

...and you can bet that if they call on me to die for their shit I'll tell them where they can stick their guns and their bombs.

For some, fleeing the country is the best option, but I feel your resistance is much better felt when you take the prison time. Now they have to waste taxpayer money to feed you three meals a day.

[evolvenow]

64. Say"HELL NO" to Murder, and then move to Canada, it is a beautiful country

[indepat]

66. Five, soon six, of my six grandchildren are/will be of draft age

[tralfaz]

67. The last time I checked

there was not draft, so why are we going crazy over something that hasn't happened?

[wadestock]

68. My 13 year old will not go.....period

I can't even begin to imagine the level of stupidity that would possess any family to risk sacrificing their son for such misguided efforts to end terrorism.

For any family which is even remotely confused about this.....realize 911 was orchestrated by a few dozen people. Those type of people are already here in the US. You might want to also check out MS 13 gangs which are helping to bring them over the Mexican border.

The problem is here in the US....not over there.
We are as vulnerable as ever to another 911 attack.
Efforts to "fight them over there so they won't fight us over here"....are utterly misguided....and in fact will lead to further threats here at home.

[sakabatou]

69. Screw the draft

they probably don't want me anyway... health condition.

[BillySherm]

70. The draft probably won't be re-instated, but if it does

I've tried to enlist twice-once in the Navy and once again in the army. If they do reinstate the draft, which is unlikely given the large number of enlisted troops that haven't been deployed yet, I doubt they'd take me anyway. My parents weren't real pleased when they found out that I had, but they supported my decision. My cousin's a marine sergeant and even he hasn't been called up yet.

[DemGirl7]

71. Because I heard that Girls will be drafted also...I will resist!!! n/t

[SmokingJacket]

72. I'd rather live in my car on the outskirts of Kamloops or

Medicine Hat than let my boys be killed or kill innocent civilians. My children used for Bush cannon fodder??? Um, nope.

I'd do anything -- anything short of murder -- to avoid that.

[Digit]

73. I told my daughter this would happen

Even though she has not admitted it, I believe she drank some Koolaid her boyfriend gave her and voted for *.
I know she would not do well in the military and she is my only child.
At this point, I want to scream, but I will wait to see what she does when she realizes what is coming down.

[tralfaz]

75. the military

has enough people. They would rather have people who want to be there than to press for a draft. A draft would be a no win situation. The civilians would never allow it ans the military doesn't want it. Everybody calm down.

[Zech Marquis]

74. I'm sure they have my slot ready

being good at foreign languages and all, no use in running :-(

[mark414]

76. yeah i'd go to prison

i'm 20...and i'd rather be anyone's bitch but george's