Did Kerry make a fool of himself on Meet the Press?

[wadestock]

That's what IMUS said. That's what Chris "Pant-load" Matthews said.

Yaddy Yaddy...he was out of touch, "tone deaf" in the comments he made while rejecting the nomination of Dr. Rice.

This is how I saw it...he cut to the quick....held up to the camera a news article "Central Banks shun US assets"

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2005/US-Assets-Shunned24jan2004.htm
is one of many sources on the story.

Out of touch?
Who's out of touch?
Answer - The American people....
regarding the fact that Bush has sent this country into an irrecoverable debt slide that will mandate higher interest rates....resulting in each and every one of us paying up to 25% on our tax dollar just to pay yearly interest on the debt.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

1. Imus voted for Kerry and even when he was so-called

supporting him, he was putting him down. Tweety can go blow himself.

[independentchristian]

27. Don Imus is an idiot with an IQ equal to his age

Whatever that is, it's less than 80, maybe.

[Skypilot 18]

33. Don Imus is an idiot with an IQ equal to his age

Gee, he dosen't look that young. What you're saying is he's about 29 years old.??

Skypilot 18

[newyawker99]

55. Hi independentchristian!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Parche]

2. Kerry

I saw snipits of it, and he looked very Presidential.....something
smirk never looks

[leftofthedial]

3. who cares? he made such a fool of himself by losing the election

to the worst "president" in US history that what he does now is pretty much irrelevant

[Carolab]

4. Not to mention his and Edwards' promises to count every vote. n/t

[wadestock]

6. No one has ever unseated an incombent during a war

IT has happened 6 other times in US history. He came closer than anyone.

[DIKB]

8. WHAT WAR ?!?!?!

The "War on Terror" ???? It's pure BS, like the Cold War, only no nation, no concrete rivalry. The war in Iraq is over, it's just an occupation. THIS is what we need to stress. THERE IS NO WAR. Just Propaganda coming from the Republicans.

[wadestock]

10. Agree 100%....but the point is Bush invented the war....

in order to take out Saddam...then those scum bag businessmen on the sidelines decided to capitalize on the rest.

Because it's all worked for them....they'll continue the war indefinitely....it keeps the public off guard...and allows them to blindside the American public.

[EC]

37. No even Saddam was irrelevant, the object of his affection was the oil

putting the U.S. permanently stationed in the West to get all their oil and break their economies...of course he's breaking our economy in the process...but what does he care, him and his buddies will be kings of the world once they have all the fuel in their control, that's why there are so many "private soldiers" namely Cache and Blackwater over there, they'll take over when they move our men over to another country...then it will all be privately held by them...the only way to foil their plans is to start real work on alternate energy and get it operational, and quick...

I repeat, this has nothing to do about making the U.S. better or getting the oil for the U.S. - it's about getting it all for THEM...private ownership...

[HeatherG.]

15. It Doesn't Matter If We Think It's BS

To a large chunk of voters it is very real. They saw 9/11 as a turning point. They saw it as the world changing. What it really was is a major lapse in security. A similar thing could have happened decades ago. Terrorism is nothing new. But, it was new in their world.

[Osamasux]

32. You know, the one that 1,500 soldiers have died in so far.

Just because that * and his lying SOB buddies started it for no good reason does not mean people are not dying every day.

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[MissB]

59. You missed that "open" part of the definition

Which would require a declaration of war.

Bzzzt.

[Hippo_Tron]

46. Johnson would've been had he run, Lincoln came closer than Bush

Lincoln almost lost to McClellan. Had the Union not taken Atlanta before the election, he would've been toast.

[NAO]

20. Kerry got more votes than any previous candidate, lost by narrowest margin

of any candidate in the 20th century.

Kerry got more votes than Ronald Reagan; more votes than FDR, more votes than Nixon in his 1972 landslide.

You say that Bush is the worst president in history - I agree - but Bush has stronger support than any president in history - after all he (allegedly) got more votes than Kerry.

Kerry faced the most negative campaign in history, as documented by the mainstream press.

In addition, Bush is riding the wave of a conservative upsurge, as evidence by the number of Republicans elected to Congress.

There has been a massive propaganda campaign going on for 40 years (ever since Barry Goldwater's defeat in 1964) that has basically brainwashed half of the American people so completely that they voted for the worst president in history.

The combination of the fruition of the conservative propaganda campaign, the fear from 9/11, the unprecedented negative smear campaign, and the hoards of 'true believer' evangelical Christians made Bush virtually unbeatable. But Kerry came VERY close, and managed to get more votes than any presidential candidate in history, other than Bush in 04.

[SammyWinstonJack]

60. How come half of us can't be brainwashed?

How come half of us aren't given to the propaganda of fear? Aside from those who voted for bush** for purely greed reasons, what is the difference between us and those who are so easily manipulated by leaders with an evil agenda?

[KerryReallyWon]

21. Kerry did not lose......he won BIG TIME!

[leftofthedial]

38. define "won"

who lives in the white house?

[Skip Intro]

5. Its easy to sit behind a microphone and be fat and stupid

evidently.


Kerry is a Senator. He probably just won the last election. And he's been there - in war as a soldier, and meeting face to face the players in the current (bush) conflict.

wtf does tweety or timmy know , other than delusional self-promotion?

[ginnyinWI]

7. "consider the source"

that's something my mom always said. Those media jokers are only trying to make themselves look "smart" by piling on Kerry. I couldn't stand Imus and his wisecracks during the campaign. Tweedy is only out for Tweedy: He'd change his tune for whatever way would get him more ratings.

[wadestock]

13. The problem with Matthews....

is that he has been embraced by the media as a core democrat...that has "seen the light" of various new RW ideologies. They may realize that he can cause more damage for the democratic party than almost anyone else because of his apparent unbias appeal.

Tonite on his show he continued various semi-intellectual theories which he's been pushing lately regarding how there "really isn't any true democrats left" in the party.....like what he affectionately remembers with Tip et al.

I think this is worth taking note because the RW attack machine is not taking any breaks....it's going full steam to destroy everything in its path towards a victory in 2008.

[wadestock]

9. This is somewhat of a rehash of....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=102606#102608
and I've studied other posts on regarding opinions on this program.

This is what irks me.
I am stunned by what I've heard at work...and that the media can so conveniently throw Kerry under the bus....as if this is some proof that the Democratic Party was inherently out of touch with America.

Bullshit.
We could have had the best person for the most defining time in history....to bring to bear lessons learned from Nam to bring effective closure to this mess.

It is the American public which is out of touch....not John Kerry.

[leftofthedial]

11. I agree Murkans are out of touch

but Kerry failed to represent peace and posed no clear ideological alternative to the status quo

[wadestock]

12. Kerry may have failed on a number of counts....

I believe he should have displayed infinitely more outrage against the Swift Boat lies, etc....but the point is this....

They evidently want him to be another "Clinton" failure.

This is how they work us over.

Character assassination made a science.

I reject vehemently the notion that Kerry is now a bigtime loser...to the extent that he had no "finger on the pulse" of what was necessary for America....and that this somehow becomes an ICON for the Democratic Party.

[The Backlash Cometh]

14. Have we determined yet if Imus or Tweety has taken pundit payola?

[wadestock]

30. Sure...due to the political guests and connects....

it has to be.
The show has become almost unlistenable since IMUS has tried to become a Matthews like political figure in the media.

The "best sellers promotion" motif which did OK during the 90s turned ugly....someone had to get to him....

[bambo53]

16. Kerry didn't "make a fool of himself"

on Meet The Press, he just acted and spoke like the meaningless robot all Dem's seem to become once the DNC or whoever gets a hold of em. Just like Al Gore, they drone on & on about nothing and parse their words so carefully that they cannot be criticized because they really haven't taken any stand on anything.

We really need a new dance. A new Elvis.

[wadestock]

25. You may have hit on the "heartbeat of America"

But isn't it a shame that the REAL threat we face now is bankruptcy?

Didn't Kerry hit the nail on the head by pulling that article out from his suitjacket?

It says to me that he would have seriously did everything he could to roll back the tax cuts and save this country from economic disaster.

What "dance" is going to make that happen?

[peacetalksforall]

17. Imus (MSNBC) and Tweety (MSNBC) work for GE - so they were

both pushing the GE propaganda - other MSNBC shills were probably doing the same thing. Mortagages, you know. The question is = what other perks do they get?

Imus, by the way, told a women who called into the program, but had the wrong number, that the person she was calling for WAS DEAD. This AM.

[SmokingJacket]

26. Imus has no soul.

He's an actual walking, talking corpse.

I have no idea how they make it look like his lips are really moving, but there you are.

That "prank" this morning is a real clue: he's either a vampire or a sociopath. We should mount an email campaign: NO SOCIOPATHS ON NETWORK TELEVISION!!

[agincourt]

18. When a good political party,

runs against a bad religion, it's out of it's league. Kerry had to earn everything, shrub could give a speech in arm farts and conservatives would still love him. The republican party is just a white peoples religion now. They question nothing.

[KerryReallyWon]

19. Kerry was a president.....I love him now more than ever!!!

He is my president

[independentchristian]

22. Notice how they won't touch what he said about Social Security?

They only want to focus on what he said about the elections in Iraq. He should have said that "Al Sistani is responsible for the elections in Iraq. He made the Bush administration have them."

Either that or told Tim Russert as soon as the show began that "I'm not going to discuss anything pertaining to Iraq, because I know that the media will just drag me through the mud about it," and then refuse to answer any questions about Iraq, and see what Russert could come up with for about 20 minutes before the first commercial break because Russert was just setting him up for the bad press that followed.

[Rex]

23. Kerry fooled me once

shame on me.

[wadestock]

29. If you really believe that....you bring nothing to the party

You fall into the fray that the RW has built to enjoy character assassination.

This is not about an INDIVIDUAL.....it's about our country.

Does he love our country?
Did he fight for our country?

I don't care what you may think about mistakes he's made....or some cheap belief that he let us down.

He is what he is....he gave it a good shot. He was annihilated by the Republican attack machine and you have the nerve to take a cheap shot at him?

Personally, I think Clark articulates the best, most heartfelt message in terms of being proud to be a democrat...but I won't take anything away from Kerry.

Ironically, had he been elected, I truly believe he would have figured a way to make sure this wasn't another Vietnam.

[Rex]

31. Yes he slipped away into the shadows when Bush "won".

Bonesmen true. Believe whatever you want - and I'm NOT part of the Dems anymore. John showed me that he cares nothing about true democracy. Hope the 40 million he saved buys him bittersweet cocktails for the rest of this life.

[HeatherG.]

36. Scull and Bones

A fraternity is just a fraternity. Kerry has wanted to be president since he was a teenager. Campaigning is not fun. He wouldn't torture himself for nothing. He intended to win.

[Rex]

39. If he intended to win then why didn't he contest the election?

nt

[EC]

42. I think it was because he totally underestimated the amount of

fraud and tricks there would be, so now they've got documentation and can work to avoid it next time. The timing of so many of their bag of tricks kinda blew the wind out of the sails, but next time they can make sure there are enough ballets, machines, have independent verifiers, more poll watchers, and now with evidence we can even get the world poll watchers in on it...we can make sure when someone registers - it's on the poll list and not in the garbage and on, and on, they know all the dirty tricks and so do we, we now know what to look for...having the lawyers at the polls last time wasn't enough - they didn't know enough of what they were looking for...



Remember, wasn't it 5 days after the State of the Union address that the commission was formed to investigate Watergate? Maybe Kurcinach just started our revenge....start asking everyone you meet Where's that 9 billion? Just because we know Bremmer took it with him...we can still make a stink about it...get more people angry about it, just keep asking....



WE'VE GOT TO STOP BEING SUCH DEFEATIST

[HeatherG.]

45. Because

Because he didn't believe it would have done any good. Kerry would have made himself look like a desperate, power hungry politician to alot of voters. He needs those same voters if he runs for president again. He didn't want to become a laughing stock, and ruin any chance he had of trying again.

[Hippo_Tron]

47. Because he couldn't have reversed the results

There weren't enough questionable ballots, disenfranchised voters, etc. that could find to change the election results. Kenneth Blackwell probably did some very dirty things that simply couldn't be proven. If Kerry thought there were he wouldn't have conceded the election, he wouldn't have let his hard work go to waste. He knew this was a battle he could not win. He'd rather bring more legitimacy to the cause of fixing voting problems by conceding and not making it look like he's just doing all of this to overturn the election.

[HeatherG.]

24. No

They probably don't really believe he made a fool of himself either. They just enjoy putting him down. I watched it. I thought he did okay. It wasn't a glowing interview, but I saw some improvement in the way Kerry spoke about his position on abortion. It sounded markedly better than when he was debating Bush.

[wadestock]

28. Kerry reminds me in a way like my father

He's thoughtful....he's 87 now....and you have to listen carefully to get the full impact of the wisdom.

It appears to me America is not in tune with wisdom anymore.
We're not listening to our elders....the ones that need to be listened to.

America is becoming a sucker for cheap fixes...and guess what....

There aren't any.

[HeatherG.]

34. Yes

You are right, and America doesn't seem to be getting wiser with age. Kerry reminds me of my father also. He was very verbose and seemed to know everything about subjects he was interested in. History for instance. He would go on and on if you asked him a question. I inherited being sucky at math from him though. My father had alot of respect for Kerry and supported him in the primaries.

[Osamasux]

35. Kerry kicked ass.

I hope everyone who voted for Bush and was laid off between November and January watched it, then drank themselves to sleep, finally realizing how they screwed up.

I loved the way he dismissed any talk of a Bush mandate.
"If you take half the people at an Ohio State football game on Saturday afternoon and they were to have voted the other way, you and I would be having a discussion today about my State of the Union speech."

[Disturbed]

43. John Kerry is a good person.

He just doesn't have charisma. Some people believe that he actualy won the election. He may have but if so, not by a wide margin. If he possesed the charisma of Bill Clinton, who's policies I didn't like, I feel that he would have won by a wide margin. The Rethug Machine with most of the Corp. Media pushing for it was and is formidible. A simpler, charismatic force would have been the only match for the Bush Junta Steamroller.

[EC]

44. He has kindness in his eyes.....not an evil smirk...

that may not be charisma...but it tells me, he will never harm....he's only capable of doing good and having empathy.

[ArkDem]

50. Bush Junta Steamroller................

2 wins with an average percentage of less than 2 does not a steamroller make.

[EC]

40. Enough.......

Kerry did fine on Sunday...I was proud of him and he is setting forth with his own agenda, rather he can push it through or not, he and the other Democrats seem to be pushing agendas that by 2006 Americans are going to be caring about (even reds) and wondering why the Republicans are fighting the agendas the Democrats are trying to push through...That is the point with the ten points that Reid and Pelosi put forth and the children's insurance plan that Kerry is pushing...they know that they have no chance in hell of getting the Republican to even bring them to a vote, Hastart and DeLay will act like assholes and we have to make sure THEIR constituency sees this and knows what they are saying no too. They are taking the fight to the enemy, for us, and we have to back them...that is how the Republicans can push through such evil shit, with total backing, blind support...they only thing is WE know our side will be bringing forth to the table what will really HELP US...

Stop the kicking Kerry game and start supporting the agenda that is right and good....For the greater good....

[politicasista]

41. I like Kerry bashing

especially from Deaniacs and Clarkies, and anyone else who thinks their man could have done better. Let's keep slamming Kerry, it's fun.:mad: :grr:

[Rapcw]

48. well pat sajak hates him after he was on meet the press i think

i think pat sajak called Kerry a "jerk" lolz

[ebayfool]

53. pat sajak - there's an opinion I really worry about!

I do believe he has always been a repug, he wouldn't like Kerry if he saw him raising the dead w/one hand & doing the loaves & fishes thing w/the other.

[EnfantTerrible]

49. Anyone know where I can find the clip of Kerry on meet the press?

I missed the show on Sunday.

[LiberallyInclined]

51. i didn't see it- but Jon Stewart apparently thinks so...

judging by the first segment on today's daily show, that is.

[KissMeKate]

52. I appreciate that Kerry's getting back in the saddle.

I really do,- it takes balls.

But he needs a speech coach!

[robcon]

58. too late for a speech coach

He defeated Bush handily in the debates. But he needed to get to the point quicker in the speeches/campaign for president.

But his national stage is over. He's a fine senator, and he doesn't 'need' to do anything.

[wisteria]

54. Kerry's no fool!

I watched the MTP interview and thought he did an excellent job. Did he come off as a jerk? NO! Did he make a fool of himself? No! He answered the questions and expressed his opinions in a knowledgeable, friendly and concise manner. Why do some of you play into the hands of the Republicans? They want to see Kerry fade away because they realize he will be a thorn in Bush's side. They want to portray him as foolish and wrong because to agree with Kerry would make Bush look bad. You don't see them bashing their own. Look, I am sorry your guy didn't make it past the primaries,but John Kerry was overwhelmingly chosen to be our candidate for President. He almost made it. He would have made a great President. I hope at some point he runs again and wins. You may not agree with me and I sorry if you don't, but continually bashing our good Democratic party Representatives provides the Republicans with a good hardy laugh and makes our party appear foolish and childish.

[newyawker99]

57. Hi wisteria!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast: