only in virginia- the gun nuts abound!!!

[commander bunnypants]

A republican lawmaker has introduced a bill to make it legal for a concealed weapon owner to be able to carry a loaded gun on to school property..

per report. I only want the bill to make it legal that when I drop my daughter off at school I can have my gun in my pocket

:wtf: :wtf:

CB

[davepc]

1. so what?

does the same bill suddenly make it legal to shoot people?

[MercutioATC]

3. Are you saying that you don't have a problem with guns in schools?

?

[davepc]

10. only if they were discharged illegally

[MercutioATC]

11. I Guess we just have a difference of opinion.

Are there places, in your estimation, where guns should not be permitted? Bars? Airports?

[davepc]

14. I can't think of any place where a law abiding citizen should be disarmed

and I don't like laws that criminalize otherwise law abiding citizens based on their possessions, and not their actions.

[MercutioATC]

15. Fair enough.

We DO have a difference of opinion.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

16. Wow. All I have to say is... WOW.

Do you take a shower with your guns on too?

[davepc]

22. why would I want to get them wet?

They stay in a locked safe when I'm not at the range. I'd carry if the State of New Jersey would let me, but I don't have enough money or big enough of a political connection to get a permit.

Only the rich and wealthy get those in New Jersey.

[SammyWinstonJack]

45. I agree!

:wow: If I recall correctly, I think that bush** while Gov of Texas passed a law where guns are allowed in church. I don't own a gun and I don't go to church, but I seem to recall something about that. Why would anyone want to bring a gun to church? What would be the need for that?

[underpants]

23. What if they suddenly aren't law abiding anymore?

Just asking.

[davepc]

29. Well then they'd be criminals, wouldent they

[qwghlmian]

35. If they aren't law abiding anymore

then they wouldn't care if there is a law that prevents them from carrying those guns onto school property, would they?

[demnan]

2. This has to be a racist thing

There is no other reason why anyone would even think this is a good idea. It's so the whites can come onto the school grounds and "clean up" if the blacks forget their place. :puke:

[fat free goodness]

42. Racist???

Calling something “racist” in the absence of any evidence to that effect is an effective way to get people to discount any other arguments you may make against it.

[Undercover Owl]

46. maybe, maybe not....

but Demnan's comment is worth considering, if only because it adds to the many "fun" conspiracy theories that abound.
:evilgrin:

[reallygone]

52. Homophobe

Only a homophobe would call that "racist".

[ashmanonar]

4. wasn't there, you know, shootings at a bunch of places?

like, where a BUNCH OF PEOPLE WERE MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD?!

and now they want to have concealed weapons on school grounds.

what a bunch of fuckin lunatics.

[commander bunnypants]

5. also

if you go to a gun show you can buy a gun without a back ground check. A bill was also deafeted to tighten that loophole

CB

[Ian David]

6. And Bush signed a law in Texas to permit guns in churches

Still, as a matter of self-preservation, Democrats and Liberals need to learn to stop worrying and love the gun...

[commander bunnypants]

7. i got no problem with guns

i just believe in control

YEE-HAW. Bang Bang BAng

CB

[ashmanonar]

37. yea, that's kinda scary.

look at my post below to see why i hate guns. in all their forms.

[old freak]

33. I disagree.....

If there were one legally armed person at the schools to repel the attack then maybe a few more people would be alive.

[ashmanonar]

36. i suppose that's part of it.

but just allowing concealed weapons bothers the fuck out of me. i'm a martial artist, a black belt in shorei goju karate. i've spent 8 years training to earn the skills that i have. and a gun bought by someone who has no idea of the incredible power that's in your hands levels the playing field...

personally, i'd like to go back to knives/swords etc...much harder to kill someone with a sword than a gun, especially at 20 feet...

obviously that's not gonna happen, but it's a good dream, isn't it?

[ashmanonar]

39. and, of course

someone's not gonna try to mug you when you have a 3 foot broadsword hanging openly at your side...:D

[fat free goodness]

41. That's the whole idea.

It’s true that for the strong, skilled male, a level playing field is a comparative disadvantage. For my daughter (small and female) a level playing field is an improvement.

[ashmanonar]

44. just bc she's small and female doesn't mean she has to be vulnerable.

some of the toughest fighters i've ever seen have been small females. look into training in some form of martial art for her, or if she's old enough, suggest that she does so herself. my suggestion is a basic karate: it's got the best combination of close and far defenses, grappling and holds, and is great for self-esteem/physical shape.

[fat free goodness]

48. Already been there

She’s a double black belt (Shotokan Karate and Tai Kwan Do) and teaches martial arts. She’s also 4’11.75” (as she puts it "5 feet, to within a reasonable sampling error") and 100 pounds on a good day. Her motto is “Small, but fierce!” However, picture a mugger who is 6’2” - while skill and surprise can work wonders, size and mass are still factors.
She also shoots well.

[ashmanonar]

50. fair enough.

but i seriously doubt that a 6 foot 2 mugger will get the drop on a double black belt.

just my opinion. especially if she's keeping up in the field by teaching.

i feel sorry for the muggers. lol

[underpants]

8. Gilmore prosposed letting guns on school grounds during hunting season

Now mind you this is not meant to be against hunters or hunting (I fully support them) but the RW idiocy

When Gilmore was Governor he proposed letting kids take guns to school during certain hunting seasons. See many kids out in the country go hunting before they go to school so Gilmore thought that instead of them having to go home and put up the gun they could go straight to school as long as the gun (rifle) stayed in their car/truck.

See Gilmore didn't realize that ANYONE could then take a gun onto school premises. Even requiring a hunting license would make much of a difference as anyone can get one at K-Mart. Gilmore withdrew it but I think there was some talk of restricting it to rural counties (read:white-yes I know blacks hunt too but that isn't how that would have been received) but just dropped the whole thing.

Guns readily available teenagers. Great idea there dickhead.

[Ian David]

9. Ahh... but teens NEED guns in school because...

Having THIS...



Prevents THIS...



Because you just never know when Russian paratroopers will land on your playground and kill your teacher.

[underpants]

12. WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!!!

Very funny

[MercutioATC]

13. That's just incredibly funny.

:toast:

[MountainLaurel]

17. I remember that

Around that time, I was at a work luncheon and somehow ended up sitting next to a U.S. Attorney for some state in the Midwest. This was not long after the Kinkel and Pearl, MS, school shootings. Conversation turned to children and guns, and I mentioned Gilmore's support for this legislation. This guy, the head of law enforcement for his state, could not believe that ANYONE, let alone someone in that sort of position, would think this an acceptable idea.

[underpants]

18. Gilmore-you know his name was thrown around for Homeland Sec. chief

I saw it mentioned in several articles and on Fox News.

That was so stupid all the hunters I know thought it was the dumbest thing they had ever heard.

[MountainLaurel]

19. Indeed

Ironically, back before 9-11, I think Gilmore worked on an anti-terrorism commission with Paul Bremer, or they were working on separate reports. I edited an article by Bremer (BTW, he was a pain in the ass to work with) on his commission's report, which talked about this group called al Qaeda that was supposed to cause all these problems, and a man named Osama bin Laden. The article was printed in August 2001. Guess Condi missed that issue.

http://www.mipt.org/Gilmore-Commission.asp
http://www.homelandsecurity.org/bulletin/Primer_CommissionsandThinktanks.htm
http://www.nap.edu/openbook/0309084814/html/336.html

[cattleman22]

31. The alternative is that now many student hunters simply skip school. n/t

[davepc]

32. its very hard to conceal carry a hunting rifle

[ctaylor]

34. back to the future

When I was in high-school last century (back in the 1980s), kids would frequently come to school with rifles or shotguns in their truck gun-racks during hunting season. Nobody thought anything of it at the time. We occasionally had students get into fights, but no one ever went out to the truck and got a gun over it and it never occurred to me that someone might.

No body thought anything strange about having a box-cutter in your pocket on an airplane flight, either.

Obviously people freak out about it now.

"Guns readily available teenagers. Great idea there dickhead." Has there been a time, since guns were invented, that they have NOT been available to teenagers? The idea that teenagers are somehow mental incompetents that have to be insulated from the world and not allowed to have any responsibility seems like a bad development to me.

[ashmanonar]

38. that's only in recent times.

in older cultures, people of 12 or 13 were considered adult already.

[theboss]

20. What's the crime rate among concealed weapons carriers?

To me, that's the issue. If people who carry concealed weapons commit gun crimes even close to the national average, this is a bad idea. Otherwise, I don't think it is.

I don't like guns and have never fired a gun. But I went to a school in a district that made hunting season a holiday since no one showed up anyway. I was used to gun racks in cars in the parking lot. Never worried me.

[davepc]

28. According to researcher John Lott (whos work is higly debated)

in an article orginally published in the Dallas Morning News in Febuary of 1998 and reproduced here: (http://www.i2i.org/article.aspx?ID=397) says:

During 1996 and 1997, the first two years that the concealed handgun law was in effect, 163,096 people were licensed. During that period, 263 license holders were arrested for felony offenses, and another 683 were arrested for misdemeanor offenses. By comparison, if permit holders had been arrested at the same rate as the average adult Texan, they would have had 731 arrests for violence crimes and 2,202 for property crimes. Thus, permit holders were about a third as likely to be arrested as non-permit holders and much less likely to commit serious crimes.

...

During 1996 and 1997, five permit holders were arrested for felonies involving the "deadly conduct/discharge of a firearm" and another two for the "deadly conduct/display of a firearm." Those charges were brought in connection with four deaths. If permit holders had been arrested for murder at the same rate as other adult Texans, 56 would have been arrested.

...

Overall, the experience in Texas is similar to that in other states. In Florida, almost 444,000 licenses were granted from 1987 through 1997. About half, 204,700, currently are licensed. Eighty-four people lost their licenses after using a firearm in the commission of a felony.

So far in Virginia, not a single Virginia permit holder has been involved in a violent crime. Similar results have been observed in Kentucky, Nevada, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and other states for which detailed records are available.


So thats just some data set from one small period in a few states, but if anyone has a reference to ANYTHING that shows permit holders are MORE likely to commit gun crime, I'd love to see it.

[Redneck Socialist]

21. OK

I'm not sure what the big deal is.

Got link?

[Rapcw]

24. LOL

My dad said that when he was down in Oklahoma for a business event or something, he noticed that everyone was very happy, or acted in such a manner while they were out of their homes. Perplexed, he asked a local waitress and she said because everyone was packing heat and people didn't know who was and who wasn't, so they all got along with each other. I can't verify the authenticity of this story but I think it's pretty funny.

[reallygone]

53. An armed society is a polite society!

[havocmom]

25. As a gun owner and one who has carried at certain times/places,

my questions are these: If he feels a need to have a gun in his pocket when he drops his daughter off at school, WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON AT THE SCHOOL? Why would he leave his kid there if he feels that threatened?

Any place one would feel the need to be carrying is NOT where one should leave one's offspring!

Now, if he just likes to carry and doesn't want to be bothered with disarming to run errands, phooey on him! He needs to be aware and appropriate to his surroundings. Too lazy to check your gun into a safe place before going onto school property = not responsible gun ownership! And that is a BAD thing.

[commander bunnypants]

26. dont piss off havoc mom

:hi:

CB

[havocmom]

30. Take a lot to piss off da momma! But I doubt I would shoot in anger.

But the one time I was ready to use a gun, I was not pissed, just reacting to a very dangerous situation. Was scared afterwards at just how cold and focused I was at that time. My 'coach' talked my through the aftermath, all the panic I had after the crisis was over. Glad for his wisdom and teaching.

:hi: CB. Glad to hear you got your prime rib last weekend!

[shrike]

27. Responsible gun ownership ...

My husband has guns and we have a friend who carries.

I don't agree with our friend on a lot of issues, but we both agree 100 percent on gun ownership. He says too many people want the right to carry a gun (i.e., lethal weapon) but aren't interested in the responsibilities that come with it.

[VaYallaDawg]

40. That's not the nuttiest.

This session of the General Assembly is also introducing a bill to permit carrying concealed weapons in the State Capitol.

Return of the Wild Wild West, right here in Richmond VA!

[salin]

49. Question

would they need a concealed weapon carrying permit to carry in the capitol - or would this be like blanket coverage for everyone? If the latter - guess that the capitol could save money taking down any security screeners that one sees in so many govt buildings these days - what would be the point?

Might make floor debates that can get pretty heated a little more interesting... (though I shouldn't joke about this, as I remember a relatively recent story in NYC where a political disagreement led to the murder of an elected official).

[Borgnine]

43. Oh, this state I reside in.

How we got Mark Warner, a moderate Democrat but Democrat nonetheless, in as governor still baffles me, especially when chuckleheads try and push through bills like this.

[Blue Wally]

47. Warner got in

because he didn't scare the people like Henry Howell used to do.

[cattleman22]

51. Warner got in because he reached out to rural areas

Warner rejected much of the gun control hysteria and actively campaigned in rural southwest VA. In contrast, Kerry avoided areas like that. Look who won and look who lost.

[ernstbass]

54. I live in this state

and they were discussing this on the radio yesterday. the congressman in favor of this kept saying, "It gives a grandparent the right to drop off their grandchild and not have to put away their concealed weapon." I never dreamed there were so many grandparents who packed a firearm! But ya'll are right about one thing - Warner won by winning over these gun nuts.