David Brock accuses Jeff Gannon of plagiarism.

[Eric J in MN]

On "Al Franken Show" now, David Brock of Media Matters for America says Jeff Gannon of Talon News prints virtually the same paragraphs as in White House press releases without attribution.

[xultar]

1. It's not plagiarism if they want you to use it. n/t

edited cuz I can't spell.

[Eric J in MN]

2. Are there any other writers who quote White House press

releases almost verbatim without attribution?

[xultar]

9. Nope but I'm sure the WH wants him to do that or they wouldn't keep

giving him a press pass or the inside papers to copy.

Gannon is part of the team he ain't no journalist. I'm sure they don't care how he uses it. I wonder how much Gannon is being paid??

[Robbien]

16. Just because they want him to use it, doesn't take away from it being

plagiarism because this "jeff gannon" does not attribute it. "jeff gannon" uses it in his stories as if they were his words. "jeff gannon's" readers are not being made aware the words are not his words. It is plagiarism.

[xultar]

19. WE don't know if he is on the team. HE may have written it for them and

they said go ahead and run with it.

They are so tight up in there. They want everything so SCRIPTED that there is bound to be some of the same words used. I wouldn't doubt @ all that he is on the team paid. HE's writing shit and they are publishing it in both areas to make sure that everyone is on the same page and speaking the same language.

[Robbien]

21. It is plagiarism. Have you taken a look at Brock's documentation?

He lists the WH press releases and then does a side by side comparison of how "jeff gannon" uses the exact same words as his own at the Talon News site in stories dated after the WH release without quotes and without an attrition.

Even if the suggestion you proffer is true that "jeff gannon" may have written the statement for the WH, the statements were released under the WH name and put on the WH website as a WH release and if "jeff gannon" thereafter uses the words as his own, it is plagiarism.

[Eric J in MN]

28. You shouldn't assume someone wrote a White House press

release with no evidence.

[xultar]

33. You just don't get what I'm saying. They are all on the same effin team.

You're right. I don't have proof.

Don't be so literal....they want him to say the same thing they are saying and pretend it is news.

Isn't that what they paid armstrong and maggie for? :crazy:

[Viking12]

13. True. It's called Public Relations. nt

[gulliver]

14. Actually, I think it is still plagiarism.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=plagiarism

"n 1: a piece of writing that has been copied from someone else and is presented as being your own work 2: the act of plagiarizing; taking someone's words or ideas as if they were your own"

[NewYorkerfromMass]

23. unless he is the original author

and is just recycling his own material.

[gulliver]

36. I would not put it past this bunch. n/t

[President Jesus]

15. you are correct. It's not plagiarism. It IS bad journalism. (nt)

[paineinthearse]

32. It's not plagerism, it's printing a feed. n/t

See other threads (general & Massachusetts) about the Boston Globe picking this up.

[flakey_foont]

3. that would be

David Brock,,,..not David Brooks

[Stephanie]

4. David BROCK

David "Teeny Little Girly Hands" Brooks is a Bush propagandist himself.

[Eric J in MN]

8. Thanks. Updated (nt)

nt

[fairfaxvadem]

5. David Brock of Media Matters,

David Brooks is the pundit/right-wing apologist.

Just to be clear here. Sorry.

[oasis]

10. David Brock author of "Blinded by the Right" is indeed on our side.

[ArkDem]

11. For the time being, anyway.

[skypilot]

18. "For the time being..."

What? Do you think he'll flip again?

[ArkDem]

20. Ask Anita...

[SmokingJacket]

38. Did you read his book?

On the one hand it was delightful and incredibly satisfying to hear someone describing his liberal awakening. You always hope your conservative family and friends will do this!!

But the guy was NOT a teenager; he was a fully grown professional person who apparently had very little invested in the values he'd had for most of his life. If he can toss conservatism aside so easily, who's to say he won't be equally loose with liberalism?

Once you put the book down and think about it, it all seems too easy.

I'm glad he's come to his senses... but I wouldn't be surprised if he slips back on over to the dark side.

[skypilot]

40. Yes, I've read "Blinded by the Right"...

...and "The Republican Noise Machine". As I read "Blinded" I was glad he'd written the book and exposed the people he exposed but at the same time I was appalled and angered at him for the crap he did and continued to do long he'd become disillusioned with the party. And I'm still pissed at him for the role he played in helping to put Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court bench.

[ArkDem]

41. My thoughts .....EXACTLY

[stevedeshazer]

6. You must mean David Brock n/t

[NYCGirl]

7. That's David Brock of Media Matters...

David Brooks is, if I'm not mistaken, a conservative columnist for the NY Times.

Edited to add:

Here's Media Matters' site with more on so-called journalist Gannon:

http://mediamatters.org/

[KissMeKate]

12. I thought that was widespread thought the stenography corps.

eom

[Robbien]

17. But at least the WH press gaggle puts quotes around the words

and attributes them. "jeff gannon" does not, he uses the words as if they are his own.

[Lexingtonian]

22. cute ploy by Brock

This is serious enough an accusation that it will force the WH and Gannon and the press corps to respond in some way- and admit something of the game begin played in the process.

[phusion]

24. Talon News?

Is that even a reputable news source? That should be suspicious right away...How else would a small, partisan news agency get a "prestigious" WH press card?

[Robbien]

26. It is not a news agency, just a web site.

And a man took the pen name of "jeff gannon" to write right wing slanted articles for the site. Also under this pen name of "jeff gannon" he got press creditionals for the WH press gaggle. Also under this pen name "jeff gannon" has been down to the Texas pig farm to shoot the breeze with Bush.

[Eric J in MN]

29. How do you know it's not his real name? nt

nt

[DoYouEverWonder]

34. He claims that it is not his real name

n/t

[Robbien]

35. "jeff gannon" himself admitted it was a fake name

At dailykos they cite the reference in either thread IV thread IX or thread X,


the actual question and answer I copied down in my notes:

QUESTION: Is Jeff Gannon your real name or just your reporter's name?

GANNON: It's definitely my reporter's name, and beyond that, I don't see how relevant anything else is," he replied after a moment's hesitation.

[SmokingJacket]

39. great sig line, btw.

[theboss]

25. What the hell is Talon News?

I generally know these things, but I'm lost here.

[Eric J in MN]

30. A rightwing website, but

unlike most small groups with websites, Jeff Gannon gets to ask Bush questions at White House press conferences.

[KharmaTrain]

27. Where Are The Lawsuits???

How many more "journalists" and other hacks do we need to expose. Lately, they've been so arrogant they've all but outted themselves. Armstrong Williams sits with his 250k and who knows what else...he's yesterday's news. Maggie Gallagher still has her 24k and is the darling of the wingnut media...some Joan of Arc. These people know they've got cover and have no remorse about their activities.

If the shoe were on the other foot, there'd be a Klayman or some other lawyer/activist pressing a civil suit to see what more we can learn. These people need to be put in front of a jury and questioned about their actions...under oath. Without any power in Congress and a totally inept DNC, someone needs to really put some legs on this puppy.

[THUNDER HANDS]

31. I'd say 50% of all news is straight off a press release

Maybe as much as 75%

I'm not kidding.

[blondeatlast]

37. It's not plagiarism if he writes the PRs for the WH.

Think about it. Brock lays out the scenario, leaves us to read between the lines.

He's very good at that.

[paineinthearse]

42. Boston Globe coverage

See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=158x2936