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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 07:11 PM
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Where does Deism fit into the Intelligent Design discussion?
The idea that there is a Creator, or God, or whatever you want to call Him, is inherent in Deist belief. And some Deists believe that God has intervened in human affairs, which leads one to conclude that He may have had a part in our creation. So where does this belief fit into the argument of Intelligent Design?
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 07:13 PM
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1. Deism = Intelligent Design
However, Deists reject the notion of a capricious, meddlesome deity who would kill 300,000 with a Tsunami, while helping Joe Bob find his car keys.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 07:26 PM
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3. Hmmm, guess that means I am NOT a "deist" because,....
,...I assume that I do not know the absolute truth (since only "God" would possess it). Hence, I focus on what is seen with our senses and what we have the capacity to create with our own will without expectation of Divine will except perhaps to the extent that works through the will granted to us.

For example, as opposed to accepting that God created everything in 6 and rested on the 7th in terms of days,...I've argued that God's days could represent millions or billions of human years.

Moreover, I accept the revelations of scientific studies concerning issues surrounding the passing of time i.e. the geological formation of the earth, aspects of evolution, evidence of global warming and atmospheric challenges, and so forth. I also embrace science as a means of expressing/structuring our creativity within the confines of a material existence.

I know,...pretty deep. But, I don't think "Deism = "intelligent design".
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 07:14 PM
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2. It doesn't.
Most Deists believe that God put everything in place (the essential elements for life, not designed life) and lets the chips fall where they may.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 07:27 PM
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4. Deists I have spoken to
think that there was a creator who created earth, man etc, then when done with that, simply took off washing his hands and leaving everything to those which he created to make a big mess out of it all.

To me, this makes a tad more logical sense than any of the current theologies concerning a god as creator, or intelligent designer, which is basically flawed in its proposition, as inevitably those who embrace that theory, believe it the Christian god,a male, complete with beard, and golden hair,who was conceived by a virgin, who is the intelligent designer.

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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 07:35 PM
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5. None of it makes any sense to me
A floating ghost created all this, then backed off to watch it rot? What's he got, ADHD?

A floating ghosts choosing whether to send a tsunami to kill hundreds of thousands OR helping anyone find anything? Puleeze.

Six day might mean six billion years? How conveeeeenient.

I've yet to ever hear anyone offer an explanation as to where the creator was when he was creating everything. Is there a creator's greenroom? Did he create anything else, or just us? In which case, maybe he wasn't so hot after all...couldn't even come up with a second act?

Sorry. I'm not buying any of it. Live moral and right because it is moral and right, not out of fear of a floating ghost thumping you on the head and sending you to a pit of fire.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 08:23 PM
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6. Me neither, but the deist approach seems to be the one
closest to any sort of logic, as bizarre as it is. It, at least, successfully avoids the "evil" question.
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