Will the freeps please go home, we don't go to your church and

[cags]

yell "Homo's rule!"

Your polluting my safe place. Stop it.

[ramadoss]

1. uh

When you consider opposing opinions pollution yours don't mean a whole lot either. Embrace discussion, it helps understand the other side so you can either accept their position or debate them more effectively.

[mattclearing]

3. For the sake of argument, why not stick around?

I don't accept your premise that we don't consider your opinions, but I'll happily discuss it.

[ramadoss]

4. i was

responding to the original poster. I was not implying that you do not listen to my personal opinions.

[mattclearing]

7. And I am responding to you. I am curious as to your personal opinion.

That's all.

[ramadoss]

14. what?

My personal opinion on what?

[mattclearing]

17. Nevermind. n/t

[Madrone]

5. "Uh"

Great - another scholar from the GWBush school of public speaking.

Hint: This is the DEMOCRATICunderground.

Tip: Check the rules.

[ramadoss]

16. I did check the rules

I am not a Bush supporter. I keep being accused of that. I consider myself a moderate liberal.

I am here because I am a democrat.

I did check the rules and have not violated them although I keep being accused of that as well.

[UdoKier]

45. If you also consider Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller "moderates"

Then you are a right-winger and will NOT fit in here. It's clearly stated in the rules that this is a PROGRESSIVE, not "conservative democrat" board.

Howard Dean is a moderate, Russ Feingold and Dennis Kucinich are liberals.

[UdoKier]

48. Bill O'Reilly also claims not to be a Bush supporter.

He even calls himself an "independent."

Are you "fair and balanced" too?

[FreedomAngel82]

56. Seriously on Bill O'Reilly?

I find that hard to believe...

[UdoKier]

58. As a heart attack.

Of course, Al Franken caught him on his lie that he was an independent and showed proof that he was registered GOP. He claimed to have forgotten to change his affiliation.

He still claims to not take sides and be unbiased. He uses his opposition to the death penalty as proof of his "bipartisanship"

[Name removed]

59. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Lindacooks]

6. Hate is not an 'opposing opinion'

no matter how much the Repukes would like it to be so.

[cags]

11. Uh Did I ask for a debate, no. But if you want to debate freepers

feel free to ask them all to stay so you can play with them.

See how well that goes over.

[For PaisAn]

12. No thank you

It's too late for discussion. I'm tired of debating with Bushbots and I will not accept their position. Anyone who supports Bush is complicit in murder.

[Patchuli]

13. If you support Bush's "positions"

then no reasonable debate can be had. You can't argue with
senselessness.

Iraq: He can't fix it and he broke it

SS: It isn't broken but he'll break it if he can.

The boy who cried "crisis" just doesn't get it. People are
tired of being played by their fears.

Do you suppose you are going to change our minds? LOLOL!

[Name removed]

15. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[seabeyond]

18. they wouldnt be so ballsy to actual discuss

they play games of being a democrat, yet it is all about trickery adn dishonesty. getting into conversation with a freeper generally results in them calling names.

wouldnt it be lovely to be able to discuss both difference and things in common. but that isnt where the nation is today. and that is not the intent and goal of those that chose to come on the board. has to be a two way street

[ramadoss]

20. seriously

Come on. I have not called anyone names. Believe what you will about me but most of you have the wrong impression. BTW, I'm not a freeper, whatever the hell that is.

[For PaisAn]

22. OK

benefit of the doubt.

Welcome to DU.
:hi:

[ramadoss]

23. Thanks

That's the first welcome I've gotten. :)

[For PaisAn]

29. We're a great bunch of people here

just hate what Bush has done and sick and tired of being subject to him, his supporters, the "media", et al.

[Name removed]

27. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[ramadoss]

32. they is not me

I'm here for discussion, which I have been trying to do but get accusations thrown at me from every direction with every thing I post. I do post on other message boards but do not discuss what I do on the other boards. They are separate places, with separate people.

[seabeyond]

34. ramadoss i have been here for almost a year

i am more conservative than most and differ in opinion than a lot. yet.........for the most part i have had excellent discussions and i dont think i have ever been accused as a freeper. and i honestly discuss my point of view. you might want to reflect why you are being attacked every which way. to state that why not discuss with people whose sole purpose is to disrupt is uninformed at the very least.

i dont know you from adam, you want discussion on this board, go for it. i am sure you will get it, and with respect. but if you are here to promote bush, i really dont think there will be many that even want to hear from you. there are few places that people can disagree with bush now a days. many of us cannot even watch the news anymore it is such a bush love fest. this is a democratic site. hopefully you will respect that anyway

and welcome, wink

[Swamp Rat]

19. That's why I post here

Open discussions are not allowed at freerepublic. Only if you're a redneck commie coward can you become a member of freeperville. Plus, all they do is talk about sodomy and killing Americans.

[LynnTheDem]

25. Read the board rules. Freeps are not welcome here. Period.

Nothing to discuss.

[ramadoss]

28. Again

I have read the rules and have not violated them. I am not a freep, whatever that may be.

[cags]

33. Then why are you complaining that I asked the freeps to leave?

[ramadoss]

35. because

They have every right to come here for open debate. To tell them to leave because you do not agree with them is silly and childish.

[AZCat]

36. They do not have every right to come here for open debate

Contrary to what it might appear, this is not a public space. It is a privately owned forum with rules restricting who can and who can't post.

For a refresher, here is a snippet from the Forum Rules:

WHO IS WELCOME ON DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND, AND WHO IS NOT

We welcome Democrats of all stripes, along with other progressives who will work with us to achieve our shared goals.

This is a "big tent" message board. We welcome a wide range of progressive opinion. You will likely encounter many points of view here that you disagree with.

We ban conservative disruptors who are opposed to the broad goals of this website. If you think overall that George W. Bush is doing a swell job, or if you wish to see Republicans win, or if you are generally supportive of conservative ideals, please do not register to post, as you will likely be banned.

If you have been banned from Democratic Underground, you are not permitted to log on again using a different username. Previously banned members will be immediately banned, regardless of behavior.

People who repeatedly and willfully break the rules, or who generally engage in rude, antisocial behavior, will be banned. It doesn't matter if you are a progressive or a long-term member of this board.
</snip>


We come here to get away from the people in our lives that insist on shoving their politics/ideology in our faces. We may disagree amongst ourselves, but we do not wish to engage freepers in debate. That can be done at other forums - this is our oasis.

If you have a problem with that, take it up with Skinner.

[ramadoss]

38. So wait

What kind of debate does that leave if you have nobody of dissenting opinion to debate against? Just a bunch of I agree's and right on's? That's kind of all I have seen so far. Maybe that's why my differing opinions even though not against democrats all have gotten so much attention.

[Bouncy Ball]

41. ACtually those on the left make up quite a wide spectrum

so we do have quite a bit of debate.

But we do NOT welcome those who support bush or the conservatives or the republican party.

Look at the name of the site: DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND.

[seabeyond]

42. how long have you been here

there are a lot of differing views. bet you and i can get into many of them. i have differing views a lot. democrats as a whole have way more differing views than republicans as a whole. kinda what is the challenge for democrats. we dont have talking points that we chant like a bunch of robots or cult like figures. this is a wide tent, with a lot of differing views.

how much time have you spent here

[UdoKier]

49. Yes, there are many different worldviews but some things are OFF the table

Like privatizing Social Security. I don't think anyone here finds that at all acceptable.

[seabeyond]

52. nope utter stupidness the first breath of it i heard

totally and utterly stupid

people that have never saved a dime, people who have no knowledge of stocks and investiment, a rocky market at best. oh lordy. i dont get this one at all

[AZCat]

43. Discussion boards are not exclusively used for debating

Perhaps you don't understand the purpose of this particular board, and would find a more appropriate atmosphere somewhere else.

You are welcome to look around and peek into various threads (I suggest going outside of General Discussion) but if you are looking to argue, this is probably not the place to be.

[seabeyond]

37. were have you seen any republican honestly standing up and saying

they would like to have a discussion. where are you seeing any republican with any kind of integrity or manners or ethics saying they would like to have a discussion. what are you not understanding. they are not here to expand and grow and interact and become better people. they are merely here to piss people off. they do not have the right. and it is not silly if people dont want others to come on with the intent merely to piss them off

what are you not getting

[ramadoss]

40. I have had

Some incredibly positive discussions with republicans. Most are over the top, sometimes crazy but a few, and you do have to seek them out, are capable of very intelligent debate. Not all republicans are looking for trouble or incapable of spewing anything but insults.

[seabeyond]

44. isnt there something to be said that you have to struggle so hard

to find one that doesnt resort to they same non thinking reply or an email that is written by one and sent out to thousands over and over. no creative and independent thought. i am sitting in the panhandle of texas. i am surrounded by conservatives. all my family is conservative. i love them. we talk about a lot of things. but talk about this administration, or bush, and even from the brightest, they cannot have conversation validating this administration. they simply dont have a leg to stand on. so they have to shut you up. they dont want to hear a truth, because they may have to reaccess their commitment to their party, or bush anyway. they fight it. i am surrounded by it. i am not simply being a bitch, i am living it

[cags]

60. Ok, Let me get this straight,

You don't know who a freeper is, so you have no idea what thier opinions might be. So you are defending opinions and people that you have no clue about.

For all you know they could lock children up in cages, feed them only bugs, and teach them fifty words in fifty different languages

Why on earth would you defend people and opinions that you have no idea what they are.

And for the record, My post said freeps not republicans, there is a difference.

If an honest republican came here and honestly said I am a republican and would like to have an honest, intelligent debate, I'm quite sure that would happen here.

Freeps are specific people from another specific board, who only come here to annoy, bother and generally disrupt this board, then post thier mischief on thier own board to joke about it.

Do you still think they should be welcome here?

[Midlodemocrat]

61. Actually, ramadoss

Freeps are those who post at Freerepublic.com, a very conservative website. Additionally, there are NOT welcome here and will be banned pretty much immediately.

This board is for democrats and progressives, period. There is such a wide spectrum of debate within the democratic party, that you will find a range of opinions to debate here, from religion to the death penalty to the war in Iraq to abortion.

Welcome to DU! You will like it here, this is a great site with fantastic people.

[leftynyc]

63. Ain't nothing conservative about that website

They support the chimp who wants to expand government and spend us into the poor house. They want government in the most personal parts of our lives. They call the chimp a conservative because he throws them the red meat of what they view as social conservatism. Anyone who calls themself a conservative over there after supporting * is full of shit. They're robots, nothing more.

[LynnTheDem]

39. Didn't say you were one; that would be against board rules.

The board rules say rightwingnuts are not welcome here. If they want "discussions" (laf) they'll need to go elsewhere.

[jdots]

31. you forgot the D before the uh

bye bye now.

[UdoKier]

47. There is NOTHING BUT opposing views in the mainstream media...

...and on unmoderated boards. That's WHY DU exists, so we can talk to like-minded people without putting up with nonsense from trolls and right-wingers.

Believe me, a LOT of us spend our fair share of time on the right-wing dominated boards. We've heard all the talking points.

Don't think that because you watched John Stossel on 20/20 or saw Biden say something stupid on "The Factor" that you've picked up on something we're unaware of.

[ramadoss]

51. ok

Believe me, a LOT of us spend our fair share of time on the right-wing dominated boards. We've heard all the talking points.

So, what's the big deal with them coming here?

I don't think I have ever watched any of those political talk shows you mentioned.

[seabeyond]

53. are you purposely being obtuse

because their sole intent, only purpose is to create chaos, hostility and anger. to ridicule. to put down. to be annoying irritate

[ultraist]

54. Read the rules

Yes, ramadoss, we are aware that there are a lot of you as you stated, "a LOT of us spend our fair share of time on the right-wing dominated boards."

[Bridget Burke]

62. And thanks for repeating the right wing talking points here.

All of us can go slumming any time we like. But we have certain standard at DU.

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. Noticed quite a few bullshit threads tonight

They crawl out from under the rocks whenever chimp emboldens them with one of his shitty "motherhood" speeches. Noticed a bullshitter in post #1.

[Pam-Moby]

9. The commander in grief seems to draw them out.

Repugs need to go back and put their heads in the sand. The State of the delusion speech is all over.

[MADem]

50. Yeah, WTF is UP with that?????

I can't help but notice that whenever the Chimp comes on TV flinging shit, they all come over here. Of course, I am always a day late and a dollar short, and I don't get to see the horseshit, all I see is DELETED MESSAGE after DELETED MESSAGE....and that famous tombstone.

It just shows you what small-minded, mean-spirited, cruel, insecure little pricks they are. This is a Democratic, progressive board, comprised of those of us who support these sorts of agendas, and they HAVE their own board, they have the fucking House, Senate, Executive and Judicial branches, yet they STILL ARE NOT SATISFIED until they can wipe their flabby asses on our starched linens.

That is a really sick, childish mentality. You almost have to feel sorry for anyone with that sort of pathology. How miserable they must be, that they can only derive joy from fucking with people! How empty their lives must be! How afraid they must be, that their entire belief system is built on lies, cheating, and viciousness! I'm just astounded at their...assholiness!!!

[Cleita]

8. Yeah, I don't go into their neighborhoods and spray paint

their fences, so I don't want them to come into my cyber neighborhood with their graffiti either.

[Pam-Moby]

10. LOL-n/t

[LilBitRad]

21. It's made me paranoid

I've been lurking for several months, but was somewhat reluctant to sign up and post because if I were to make a comment someone might take offense to me or a thought I let escape without knowing the history of everyone here.

The first reaction I've seen from many on the board is to label someone a troll if they didn't like what they said.

If they wern't here it would be less likely to happen.

I like being an observer rather than a real active poster, but sometimes I really do want to add something to the discussion, or just to rant to get stuff off my chest.

[For PaisAn]

24. Hi LilBitRad

Welcome to DU
:hi:

[cags]

26. Take it from me, people here are open to discussion

even if your opinions are different. I have one opinion very different from most here, and have generally only had intelligent, respectful debate.

Now if your just gonna say, Bush did a good job, Bush is my best friend, I love Bush, then your probably in the wrong place.

Oh and Welcome to DU

[mattclearing]

30. We have a very low tolerance for Bush complements.

That's all. As long as you don't say nice things about Republicans or Republican ideas, or recite ridiculous RW/corporate media talking points about Republicans, no one will mind you a bit.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

Or at least thanks for speaking up.

[ultraist]

55. I was never accused of being a freep

In fact, several people welcomed me when I was very new. I have not been here that long but I have yet to be accused of being a troll or a freep and I have said things that some posters didn't like.

So what if someone doesn't like what you say, not everyone is going to agree with you 100%.

[ClayZ]

57. Welcome

From another newbie!

ClayZ

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. - Benjamin Franklin

[ncrainbowgrrl]

64. Hi LilBitRad!!

Welcome to posting at DU! :-)

[Liberal In Texas]

46. No kidding! I agree, go home to freeperville..... n/t