REPEAL THE TAXCUT !!!!

[kentuck]

That is the stone that will kill several birds. It will save Social Security. It will help pay for the war in Iraq. It will decrease our deficit. It will improve our economy. And it will piss off Bush and the Repubs to no end. REPEAL THE TAXCUT ! And save Social Security! That should be our battlecry!

[Desertrose]

1. lets get the battlecry going then....

I agree... and we can't let them trash SS.

We do need to go on the offensive - for a big fat change. Why do we alwasy let the repubs back us into a corner...I agree...time to take the defensive...if its not too late already!

[Pallas180]

2. Seantor Jay Rockefeller said on tv if 1/3 of taxcut was stopped social sec

would be saved through 2075.


yep. it's going bankrupt next week if you're a republican.

Once Social Security is gone and the market tanks....people will be working for slave wages, $5 a week as they did in the 20's and 30's and that's eactly where the oil barons want this country to go back to.

[Pallas180]

3. i forgot to add this

(borrowed from another poster)

[Rockerdem]

4. Campaign to repeal the tax cut but DONT link it to Social Security

Thats a tactical error that feed into the "we must do something, its an emergency" ad campaign.

Instead, push for higher taxes to fund European type benefits that will improve the middle class lifestyle. People around the world have elected candidates that promised that.

[UdoKier]

5. All your comments are fine, with one exception.

Social Security does not need saving, and there is NO accurate way to project what will really be going on in 13 or 35 years. Don't buy into the "crisis" scam, please. The crisis is in our hollowed-out economy and our massive federal and personal debt levels.

[kentuck]

7. There is a crisis but....

it is not with Social Security. It is with the huge deficits and its looming impact on our economy - most of it brought about by Bush's taxcut. So that is another bird we can kill with that stone.

[kentuck]

6. This is my advice to the Democratic leadership.....

Call a news conference for later this week. Present it as an alternative plan to save Social Security. Get the media all together. And let them have it with both barrels. Our plan to save Social Security is to "repeal Bush's taxcut" and if that is not enough, then our second step is to increase the cap on the wages that are taxed. Most economists say that 50% of the taxcut would save Social Security into the next century. There is no rational reason to sacrifice Social Security simply so the millionaire friends of the Republican Party can have a taxbreak. That is our plan to fix Social Security and we will put it up against anything George Bush or the Repubs may offer.

[Rockerdem]

8. No No No No No

That just amplifies the GOP lie, and ratifies their bogus PR push. Dont link taxes to SS when its not needed.

[kentuck]

9. Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes

Look a little deeper..

[UdoKier]

10. I have to agree with you there.

Calling a shell game anything other than what it is is enabling the con artist.

[kentuck]

11. We don't have to call it a "crisis"....

It is a small problem for the future, but why not put the Repubs on the defensive? Why not repeal the taxcuts for the wealthy? Why not decrease our deficits. Why not pay for the war rather than putting it on the credit card. There is a crisis but it is with the huge spending and the huge deficits - not with Social Security.

[UdoKier]

12. We have been saying exactly that...

... minus the spurious link to Social Security since Dumbya took office. What makes you think that throwing SS in the mix would help. You think the "liberal" media would get on board?

Not likely.

[kentuck]

13. Because Social Security is already in the mix....

Simply ignoring it will not make it go away. Your silence will only make people beleive Bush has a legitimate case to make. So if they believe there is a "problem" with SS, then we can offer a simple plan to fix it. But it is more than that. It is a political counter attack also. it is going on the offensive.

[UdoKier]

14. You don't really think this is about SAVING Social Security, do you?

You seem pretty naive about this. This is what they've wanted since the New Deal took hold. To utterly DESTROY it.

Revoke the tax cuts and they will STILL try to use their majority to privatize SS, AND they will have even more money to squander on military pork and unnecessary foreign military adventures.

[kentuck]

15. Of course not!

yes they plan on destroying SS. And unless we go on the offensive, they will succeed. They want their taxcuts made permanent. That means they will cut off all means to pay for Social Security at its present rate when the "IOU's" come due. There will have to be major cuts or changes because they do not plan on honoring the IOU's, in my opinion.

The deficits and the huge borrowing and spending are a "crisis". That is the "problem" we must solve. If they want to use SS as a straw man, then we can be equally as clever and use it as a "trojan horse" to defeat them at their own game. That is not admitting that SS is in a "crisis". In fact, we should point that out at every opportunity. That doesn't mean we shouldn't repeal the tax cut. The SS argument is a means to destroy their sacred tax cut for their wealthy friends. SS is our friend and ally.

[hfojvt]

16. well, you beat me to it

I posted much the same thing as point #2 in my thread on SS.
I still use the 80/20 rule. I think a general repeal is a political non-starter because too many voters will be ticked off about a tax increase. However, if you repeal it for the top 20%, you get 80% of the money back because those people got the vast majority of the tax cut dollars. It also means that 80% of the population gets to keep their paltry little tax cuts.

[kentuck]

17. I like your sigline....

Very appropriate to the times....