absolutely THE SICKEST go*%amn thing I have EVER SEEN

[Maru Kitteh]

http://www.deliciousdogs.com/index.php

These sick sadistic ASSHOLES are advocating the kidnapping or otherwise obtainment of dogs to kill and eat.

THIS IS WHY you must ALWAYS take care to never leave your companion animals unattended.

THIS IS WHY you must ALWAYS thoroughly check out any family if you adopt out any companion animals. You never know what kind of degraded filth you may be handing that puppy or kitty over to.

I'm so glad I don't eat ANY animals.

[cheezus]

1. DU has a specific group for vegans

hit the du groups link on the left side of latest...

[Maru Kitteh]

4. I don't consider this to be a vegan topic

I just happen to be one. There are over 90 million pet owners in the United States. Thought more people might be interested to know their neighbor might like fido for something other than his sparkling personality.

[paineinthearse]

21. I agree, this is a general topic, not vegan.

I see the vegan forum as one to promote the "foodstyle" choice and ideas. This is a humanitarian issue.

[K-W]

2. Got any statistics to prove this is a threat we need to worry about?

Your post reeks a little of fear mongering.

[leveymg]

13. Right up there with "El Mercurio" Articles on Cannibalism Written During

the Track II stage of the destabilization of Chile. During the period leading up to the September 11, 1973 coup, the largest newspaper chain carried loads of articles in a similar grotesque vein (NPI), such as animal slaughter photos juxtaposed with pictures of Salvador Allende and his officials.

Got lots of people real aggititated. Now, I'm not saying Henry Kissinger and Dick Helms are behind this one, but ....

[Maru Kitteh]

20. So people kidnapping and eating dogs is no big deal because it's

(you believe) too statistically remote?

One of these people has the following sig:
"the art of diplomacy is saying good doggie until you can reach for a stone"

These people are stealing dogs and bashing their heads in with rocks but your position is that there is something wrong with me........... umm O.K. :eyes:

[GiovanniC]

30. Um... The Doggie/Rock Thing Is a METAPHOR

Not an endorsement of animal cruelty.

By the way, there is such a thing as a joke. For example, I might call cats "the other white meat", but that doesn't mean that I ACTUALLY EAT CATS. I mean, I don't even LIKE Chinese food.

[smbolisnch]

33. Well shit, I've lost my sense of humor. /sarcasm

We have no proof that this is a hoax, and even if it is, I DO NOT find it the least bit amusing.

If someone made a hoax site endorsing hitting children over their heads with rocks and serving them up as a main course, would you find THAT funny too? :eyes:

[Maru Kitteh]

37. That's right smbolisnch, just freakin' hillarious isn't it?

Especially the retarded ones, you know?

What the hell is wrong with people?

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[GiovanniC]

41. It Must Be Really Tough Going Through Life With So Much Outrage

But I've got an idea... why don't you choose to fight battles that actually matter? So somebody makes a website claiming you can keep kittens in a bottle or talking about eating dogs. Let it go. It's not worth it... there are lots better things you can be doing with your life.

As for eating dogs (or cats or hamsters or horses or whatever...), it happens. I don't eat dogs (or cats or goats or lambs or rabbits or cows) but some people do.

The only kind of meat I actually eat is chicken, but that's only because they taste so darned good. Oh, and I also eat chicken eggs. I don't know if that counts as meat, and if so, if it counts as something separate from chicken. But in any event, I eat grown up chickens and I also eat chicken fetuses. Some people keep chickens as companion animals... even letting chickens live indoors with them. So I am eating animals that are the equivalent of dogs to them... want to venture a guess as to how much I care?

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49. I haven't seen any jokes.

I haven't seen a single scrap of convincing evidence that it is a joke. Not one. Secondly, unless it is your site, personally, you would have no cause to believe I was referring to you specifically. If you check my OP, I never said it shouldn't be allowed either so you are falsely attributing an intention upon me that I did not express. You on the other hand DID have the audacity to assume to tell me personally what to do with my life, generating an appropriate response.

[GiovanniC]

54. Hey, Whatever Makes You Feel Better

I'm not telling you that you CAN'T waste your life bitching and moaning about people either (A) joking about eating dogs; or (B) actually talking about eating dogs. If it makes you feel better, by all means, work yourself up into a frenzy. Get that blood pressure up. Give yourself an ulcer. I could not care less.

I AM telling you that the quote about diplomacy is saying "nice doggy" while looking for a rock is a metaphor about diplomacy, and not an endorsement of animal cruelty, and it IS a joke. And yes, you do lack any semblance of a sense of humor but that is pretty typical for people who are as easily "tweaked" as you are.

[Maru Kitteh]

57. And now you presume you know any fucking thing about me

Other than what I have posted here. I assure you, you do not. But hey, whatever makes YOU feel better, right?

[GiovanniC]

59. All I Need To Know About You

Is what you've posted here.

[Maru Kitteh]

62. Not to make the assumptions that you have

one post is not sufficient evidence to surmise a persons entire character and personality makeup, let alone their social life or interactions. After all, I could be wrong about you, you may not be a total asshole, even though this thread might lead me and/or others to make the ASSUMPTION that you are. Same way in either direction dear, thee or me.

[GiovanniC]

63. Nope, I AM a Total Asshole

And I would bet dollars to donuts that you really are exactly as I think you are based on your posts on this topic.

No sense of humor? Check.
Drama Queen and/or Over-Reactor? Check.
Illogical? Check.
Holier-Than-Thou? Check.

Now, maybe you aren't NORMALLY all of those things, but you sure are on this thread.

[Maru Kitteh]

69. You are right

about yourself, that is. You are wrong about me. Sorry if this blows exaggerated notions you apparently hold concerning your intellect and powers of observation. I wouldn't take it too hard if I were you. Assholes are notoriously poor at personality perception.

[GiovanniC]

72. Hey, At Least I'm Honest With Myself

You're in denial about your own personality flaws. That's okay, though... there are lots of us assholes out there to point them out for you.

[Maru Kitteh]

77. Again, whatever makes you feel good baby

You can continue to feel important, and I can continue to know that you are wrong.

[GiovanniC]

79. Right Back At You

You can continue to work yourself up, and I will eat an extra dog tonight in your honor.

[amazona]

68. well since jonathan swift did it first

I think a rerun of "A Modest Proposal" is probably never going to be as entertaining in its troll-istic possibilities as it was on first publication.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[K-W]

47. I judge the importance of problems by how much harm they cause.

If one exotic form of animal abuse were our largest problem, things would be pretty damn good.

[BlueEyedSon]

3. I'm sure this is a satire.

[Maru Kitteh]

5. I thought it was too........................ I really did

Check out the forums........... It's not farce. They're for real.

It's disgusting.

[candle_bright]

6. It's got to be satire

but that doesn't negate some of the OP's points about not leaving pets unattended and using vigilance when finding homes for animals.

[Maru Kitteh]

8. Not satire, check out the forums

They eat dogs. Cooking tips and everything. Capture and kill methods, which breeds taste better, what not to feed your "food" dog to avoid bad tastes.

[Dorian Gray]

28. Have you been to mainland China lately?

It's quite common there, as well. I've been to markets where they sell dead mongrel dogs. It's more common in the world than one would think.

[Maru Kitteh]

29. They're not talking aobut mainland China hon

They're talking about kidnapping and otherwise obtaining peoples pets and bashing their heads with rocks and eating them.

[KurtNYC]

7. I can think of ten things way sicker than that (unfortunatelty)

the Holocaust
the slaughter of Native Americans (60 million dead)
the Tuskigee experiment
Joseph Menegele
Abu Gharib
the tobacco industry
that 'God Hates Fags' guy showing up at funerals
and there are more

[Maru Kitteh]

9. OK, you got me there but this is still the sickest thing I've seen today

I thought I would blow chunks when I realized they were for real, and not satire.

[smbolisnch]

11. Does that mean it is not important?

:shrug:

[Goldmund]

15. And your point is?

[bowens43]

10. How is this different then eating cow or chicken.

I certainly don't condone stealing others dogs for food but morally , meat is meat.

[BlueEyedSon]

14. Pigs are smarter than dogs. Let's not even start on the monkey steaks...

[Lorien]

56. Then eating human children should be fine by you

meat is meat, right? There is moral grounds for not eating companion animals, just as eating human flesh is considered morally unacceptable. Eating predators is also extremely risky; AIDS and Ebola began when people ate monkeys and apes.

[vpigrad]

12. For some people...

it's their only way to be able to afford to eat meat. I don't agree with the practise, but for the four families I know that eat dog, I can't blame them that much. They incorrectly believe that their children need meat to be healthy, so they do what they incorrectly think is in the best interests of their children.

[Maru Kitteh]

22. They can afford some fucking beans can't they?

Educate them. It's SICK to eat other peoples pets.

For those of you who thought this was statistically irrelevant please note this is just ONE DUer who knows of FOUR FAMILIES that eat dog.

I say again, keep your companion animals close.

[K-W]

51. Excuse me

yes, stealing pets is wrong.

Eating dog is no less morally defensible than eating any other animals.

Dont try to force your morality on me.

[fishwax]

52. Where did the poster say they eat other people's pets?

[GiovanniC]

84. Don't You Know That If You Eat Dogs

That you will eat every dog you see? It's just like the other day, I went to Burger King and got a cheeseburger. I drove by this cow pasture and went on a fucking slaughtering spree. Oh, it was crazy. Once you get a taste for the meat, you are unable to control yourself.

I will also say that is the reason that I have a six-foot tall electrified razor wire fence around my garden... those vegetarians and vegans are fucking crazy. I keep a garden for companionship and because it's pretty... but man, they see my pet radishes and they go nuts. Steal and consume, steal and consume... that's all anyone ever does.

[SnowGoose]

16. I guess I just don't get the difference between dog and cow

or lamb or goat, or so many other animals that people eat.

They're all capable of suffering. The only difference I see is the way *we feel* about them.

For the record, I don't eat animals.

[Village Idiot]

17. Chihuahua -

the other white meat!

[semillama]

18. Friends of the family picked up a taste for guinea pig

while doing anthropological fieldwork in Guatemala.

Got back to the states, and the pet store owner asked them why they went through so many guinea pigs. He had pretty much the same reaction as the OP and banned them from his store.

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[Maru Kitteh]

23. Admins are going to delete that BUT I HAVE THE INFO

Thanks for that information, I know I and many others will be happy to put it to good use.

[Siyahamba]

24. It looks like a hoax site to me

Like Bonsai Kitten.

I really hope it's a hoax. :(

Edit: As mentioned above, if it is a hoax, the forum members are putting a lot of work into it to make it real.

[Maru Kitteh]

25. I'm sorry to tell you it's not a hoax

Look in at the forums, they eat dogs. One of them advocates approaching pets and stray and bashing their heads in with a rock.

[charlie]

26. It's a hoax

http://sg.dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Humour/Animals/Dogs/

I looked in the forums. Dog rinds, dog pizza with "pupperoni", how to carve a Thanksgiving dog... those are jokes. You're getting tweaked.

[Maru Kitteh]

32. Bull, you need to spend a little more time looking

other than the passing scan you did to convince yourself and/or appease your conscience. It's not a hoax. God, do I wish it were. I was hoping against all hope it was when I ran into it. Look again. They get a good deal of backlash/troll activity, and this is what you point to. They leave it up because they feel it exposes how "mean" some people can be when they discover their dog eating. What a bunch of psychotic assholes.

[DrWeird]

35. It's satire.

Sorry to say you're getting suckered.

"Nasty Sons of Bitches Pie" LOL.

[smbolisnch]

36. How do you know that? nt

[DrWeird]

38. Well, I've got a sense of humor...

and I'm familiar with satire....

www.landoverbaptist.org

[smbolisnch]

39. I'm sure you are.

:eyes:

[Maru Kitteh]

42. here are some really funny posts, you must love these

As the site admin, I must say that I am against censorship. However, I find these posts to be disturbing. You can hardly compare eating dogs to eating people. I would never eat a person.

I want people to be able to say what they want, but I don't want our (until recently) peaceful community littered with hateful messages.

Pease, let's all try to be respectful of our differences!
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An unnofficial revision of 'convent's lamb' from 'Arcos de la Frontera'

Ingredients:
2 dog legs (or any 4 pieces with a total of about 5 pounds
1 lb of lard
3 garlic heads (that is an spanish recipt)
7 onions
1 glass of wine (white)
1 glass of brandy
herbs(thyme, laurel, and 'romero'?), water, salt, peper

Dress meat with salt, pepper, thime and 'romero'. Let it sit for a couple of hours.

Melt lard in a crackpot and use to slightly fry the meat, and save it for later. Use the lard to dip fry the chopped onion, add whole garlics (peeled), and the herbs. Add necesary salt and pepper and the wines. Let it boil for about 15 minuted.

beat and blend the result. Strain and use to cook the meat for about 1 or 1 1/2 hours until the meat is tender.

Cooking slowly will give better results. Serve meat with its gravy along with homemade fryed potatoes.

becky-
As you can see, this recipe was first intended for lamb, so probably a giant , or even good sized medium poodle would do. Any dog delivering those 4 pieces of about 1 1/2 will probably do as well.

About selecting the appropiate meat for a recipe, I would do it just vice-versa. Once having the meat, I would fry a bit of it to notice taste and texture. Knowing that, I would select the most appropiate from the bunch of recipes here. So, a tender meat will do nice for BBQ or fried, while if harder, stewing is more advisable. If it tastes strong, you can prepare an stew with more herbs like this one, or even decide to let it sit in water/salt and a bit of vinegar for some hours... You'll know what to do.

I've had a look, and discovered this 'romero' is the kind of herb usually called rosemary. It is quite strong, but goes well with greasy meats like this one. Remember this recipe -like mantecados, etc - was prepared by people who had to work hard outside the whole chilly winter days, so they had no time for cholesterol or calorie problems..

becky
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Some time ago, befork finding your page, I recorded some links I thought could be interesting. I have not tried most of them, but some of them look pretty good. Upon finding this page, I retreived the URL to see if it was still available, or I had to recover them. Fortunatelly it's still there.

This webpage is 60% a joke about fancy edibles, but some of the them seem real enough. This dog stew one sounds quite good to me. Second one is claimed to be bosintang, but sound as far too simple, but it may prove good if you like boiled meat with soybean sauce (not for me..)

http://www.imbetterwithfood.com/asalad/zz9dogstew.shtml
http://www.imbetterwithfood.com/amain/zz9dog.shtml


This other link is just an old opinion (1999) from a korean who claims to in favour of dog eating, even stating he is not dog eater. Just to read it through.

http://www.ncmonline.com/commentary/1999-08-27/dog.html

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I cannot help but think that some of the more vitriolic posts found here are from people who don't quite understand the nature of those who post here in favor of eating dog. The fact that several of the posts which seem to inflame the righteous indignation of the AR crowd are no doubt outright lies probably posted by animal rights activists themselves is a problem in itself (see "FIRST TIME DOG HUNTER").
By misrepresenting apparent dog-meat eaters as perverted monsters (i.e. "Tina," who probably is in fact a pubescent boy - judging from the immaturity of his posts), these uneducated and intolerant persons push their anti-dog propaganda on the unsuspecting public who happen upon this site.
So let's clear up the matter - in plain, simple language:

1. People who eat dog don't go around killing other people's pets. I don't, and I'm sure noone else who legitimately expresses their honest opinion here does either.

2. I highly doubt that anyone has sex with dogs and then eats them.

3. Dog eaters are not, by virtue of their breaking one taboo, prone to break others (i.e. eating human flesh).

So, let's all take a deep breath and remember that there is more than one way of living. We're not all cookie-cutter replicas of each other, and if people halfway around the world or even your own neighbor eat foods that you don't, why let that bother you?

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Just found this site. For years, I've been (half-jokingly) arguing that the animals put down by the SPCA (or whatever organization) is just incinerating good meat.

I've also read a few posts here on "obtaining" dog meat. It would seem to me that they wouldn't be all that hard to butcher. Well ventilated area, good sharp knives, etc.

Honestly, I don't see a difference between them and other home-kept food animals. Chickens and rabbits are perfectly acceptable. Why not dogs? Personally, I've never had dog. I would imagine that a pet would taste kind of nasty, considering they've been eating dog food for so many years. If one were raising dogs for food, I'd imagine using good feed would be very important. Of course, with rabbits, the best time to slaughter is right before the buns have been weened. I'd imagine pups would be the same.

Those who would never eat a dog, please realize that they would have no trouble eating you if it came down to it. Many pets have been found in apartments munching away at a deceased owners dead body.

Anyway, an interesting site.
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Sadly these arguments are never really even looked or remotely pondered over, since angry anti-dogmeat people seem intent on being dumbasses more than saying 'Hey, I don't like that you eat dogmeat but I can handle it.'

The argument that 'maybe dogmeat is okay' is hardly legitamate to them either, since they so rabidly believe every single dog on the planet in all of eternal history was created nothing more for human companionship, so evil shame on those who would dare to munch on their little legs.

It just comes off to me as unnecessarily "compassionate" and maybe even a little selfish when people consider all of one kind of animal a pet and not a possible source of food, although that's really just one's personal opinion. I myself am very fond of pet chickens running around, even though I'll eat storebought chicken regardles of whether or not I'm keeping them.

I guess it'd just be nice if anti dogmeat people didn't come off as such morons.

[DrWeird]

46. Pretty funny stuff.

I like that part about substituting a medium to giant size poodle for the lamb recipe.

Here's something I just cut and pasted too-

Satire. noun.

1. Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity

[Maru Kitteh]

48. Here's another funny one - more funny stuff

I'm sorry you can't get your head around the fact that sick whacko's eat pet dogs in North America, even though a couple of Du'ers in this thread have stated that they personally KNOW people who do. If it is due to some kind of limitation or merely denial, I guess we'll never know.


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Beth,
Unfortunately this announcement was for last years BBQ, which was a delighful experience. We hope to get the pictures up on the site at some point, but have quite a few to go through before hand. As for this years BBQ, it is already in the planning stages, but will be by invitation only as the guest list is quite full. Thank you very much for your interest, and i will be sure and put you on the alternates list should a spot become available.

Also, we never publish the location of the BBQ for fear of retaliation by wacko animal rights terrorists. They tend to ruin a picnic faster than ants, if you know what I mean.

Thanks again for your interest.

Regards,

Don


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Thanks Alan,

I just placed an order for a few items....I just must have one of those aprons before the BBQ.

I wonder if we could get this gentleman to make us up a t-shirt for the BBQ? I will email him and see.

I am getting quite a few responses for this years BBQ, it looks like we will have even more than we did last year.

Regards,

Don
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2003 9:28 pm Post subject: Links to check out !!

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I am posting some links I think all of you should visit. These sites are information about eating dogs and cats.

http://www.animalsasia.org/beInformed/campaigns/caasia001.html
http://www.animalsasia.org/beInformed/campaigns/caasia_cat.html
http://www.koreananimals.org/moran_market.htm
http://www.animals-hope.org/KoreaLegalize.html

See the true nature of what you promote and why people can't and will never understand why you eat dogs or cats. It is a disgusting thing.

Dogs and cats are not breed to be a farm animal and then slaughtered. I understand the true nature of eating dogs or cats (according to articles I have read from reliable sources from Korea) is to increase your sex life and to promote better health (though the photos of dogs and cats kept in are dirty, diseased, crowded and in very poor conditions)

Don't see how eating a sick dog or cat is healthy...also we have a pill called Viagra in case you can't get it up.

Oh...and I'm so sorry if everybody is raining on your parade---grow up!!
Think about the dogs and cats that have to suffer just so you can enjoy their rare meat.

I don't understand why you eat dogs or cats if you don't beat them because that is the correct way (according to other dog eaters) to make the meat better. Then I remind myself that the administrator of this site says
"It makes me sick that people would torture any animal in this way - cats, dogs or any other animal. I hate animal cruelty and do not agree with what many people do to dogs. I do not think we should burn their fur off, I do not think we should beat them, I do not think we should torture them in ANY WAY."

Now I would like to know the offical stance dog eaters at this site take when it comes time to kill a dog to eat. Which is it folks?? Do you toture the dog first like it is suppose to be done? If not how do you consider yourself a 'true' dog eater?? If it is true then you do promote animal cruelty and that is why everyone hates you.

Spot

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Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Posts: 55

Posted: Thu May 01, 2003 11:59 pm Post subject: False logic...

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I see what you are trying to do, but I assure you that dog eaters are not as easily duped as many of our AR friends.

You are trying to conclude that dog eaters are not "true" dog eaters unless they beat the animals first. Therefore, we either don't eat dog meat or we do eat the meat but only after abusing the animal. You suggest that it can only be one or the other.

You can be assured that the dogs we use do not "suffer just so you can enjoy their rare meat." (Although, I have to admit that I do enjoy the meat.) We've all seen the pictures of the dog meat markets in some parts of the world and I think I can safely speak for the users of this site that we don't like to see that happen to the animals.

You try to draw the conclusion that all dog and cat meat comes from these sources and it's just not true. Many of us raise and prepare our own meat and the dogs are very healthy. Why would anyone want to eat meat from a sickly animal?

Another point you make is that "Dogs and cats are not breed to be a farm animal and then slaughtered." This is actually an excellent point (and one I already mentioned in another post). It is true that they are not usually bred as food animals and I want to know why not. This inevitably goes back to the pet debate - many argue that dogs and cats are pets, but cows, pigs and chickens are not. As I have pointed out many times, many people have pet cows, chickens and especially pigs.

We need to erase the boundaries. We need to stop being prejudice toward certain animals. How do you tell one animal that he is only good enough to be slaughtered and eaten while telling another that he is to be your best friend? This is hypocrisy at its worst!

I would love for you to explain this to me...

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Joined: 17 Apr 2003
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2003 1:53 pm Post subject: See Spot Run...Run Spot Run....

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Spot,

Try thinking for yourself, rather than continuing to be spoon fed by the AR extremists such as Peta, and a host of other outfits that prey on emotions, and do not base their arguments in fact. Animal is animal is animal, to discriminate between which should or should not be used a a food source is to step outside of logic, and exist in the world of emotional arguments.


Regards,

Don
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These AR people are so arrogant it drives me crazy. The argument is really very simple and yet they can't even make one coherent point.

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If you didn't read all of the Newsday.com article-

"There is, of course, no way to know if this market, or others like it elsewhere in the province, could have been the source of the severe acute respiratory syndrome virus.

"I think at this moment we don't know," the WHO's Dr. Henk Bekedam said in a news briefing in Beijing last night...the microbe is not normally found in animals that come in close contact with humans, such as pets and livestock."

And it is interesting how we treat those animals some deem worthy of being eaten...

http://www.freefarmanimals.org/gallery/batthens02.htm
http://www.freefarmanimals.org/gallery/pigs07.htm
http://www.factoryfarming.com/gallery/chicken1.htm
http://www.factoryfarming.com/gallery/pigs15.htm

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Joined: 17 Apr 2003
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 9:16 am Post subject: Get the f' outta here tree huggin freak...

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Hey freak....the rain forest called, and it said to leave it the !@#$ alone....why don't you go back to huggin trees and eating granola, and leave those of us who like to eat dogs alone. Get a life, the animals don't need, or want you fighting their fight.

Spanky
If you got it, you might as well spank it.

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Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 12:13 pm Post subject:

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Alan-

This post by one of your people that eats dogs brings the point that so many here have tried to tell you... simply that you categorize everyone that loves a pet as some kind of freak---then wonder why you and rest here that eat dogs gets a bashing.

This Spanky could use a little education on who is who.

Not sure why you can classify cows, pigs or chickens as pets but won't classify a dog or cat as a pet. This could use some clarrification. I live in about the most redneck area where I live....please don't come over here and try to eat any our dogs----you will get a redneck pissed off and he will likely kick your but all the way home.

I have seen a lot of good questions for this forum that either are not being responded to or just more sensless babble about how good dog meat is...I find the thought of eating dog meat gross. There is a reason why you are being bashed about eating dog:

1) It's common knowledge that eating dog was because poeple were starving during the Korean war---then dog eating became popular because old men wanted virilty (more of a sex life)

2) It's common knowledge that in order for #1 to work, the dog meat needs to be beaten to enhance flavor.

These I think are the most common reasons people despise dog eating.

Also, Don is pretty sick. I read his posts and want to gag. I don't understand how a human being can be so demented----he must be one those that view the world is for him and no one else and to take and take.

If you don't know this... I help at the local animal shelters trying to find homes for the abused and unwanted pets because 'people' didn't want the pet anymore. Then the dog eating group comes along and makes everything just harder. I know Don buys his dog meat from a butcher and doesn't have the guts to do it himself. When you look into an intelligent creatures eyes when you kill them, well it's a sad day when you don't have emotions about that. you've lost your humanity----that makes us different than animals.

I like and agree with one post...
'but most cultures have pretty much made up their minds on this matter already. If anything, I suspect the number of people who eat dog is probably about the same now as it was a century ago, if not less...'

I think this is right on the money. Looks like you people (in canada and elsewhere) can go ahead and stick it out...but I think you are the exception to the rule and the minority and you don't set any standards, rules and moral boundries like the rest of us. You do not contribute to the social development of any cultures where you evolve towards the goal of ending disease, suffering and violence.

- Concerned

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don



Joined: 17 Apr 2003
Posts: 74

Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 1:29 pm Post subject: Concerned....

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Concerned,

I know you adressed this post to Alan, but since you felt the need to invoke my name, I felt compelled to respond in turn.

First and foremost, Spanky does not best represent the majority of those who spend time on this site. I have have met Spanky in the real world, and while I can say he is a decent gentlemen, he is terribly rough around the edges. I believe it is more of a nurture rather than nature issue. Judging from the area you describe in your post, he could very well be a neighbor of yours.

Secondly, you refer to me as sick, and demented. I assure you, I am neither. I am however curious as to how you came to such a conclusion.

Thirdly, I do not at all feel the world is here simply for me to take and take from. Much to the contrary, I make it a point in my life to give back much more than I take in this world. I am fortunate to have been able to have acheived a level of financial comfort at an early point in my life. And in the last two decades or so have been able to spend a good portion of my time seeing this wonderful world we have been given to tend. I spend close to 1000 hours a year or more, donating my time and financial resources to worthy causes. (Even to a few select animal advocacy groups who are truly interested in doing what is best for the animals.) I also spent several years helping developing nations, and communities in the Peace Corps. (which by the way, is where I tasted dog for the very first time)

I give much, and take only that which I need and a little more in the way of luxuries. You see, I feel that life is to be enjoyed. There is no point in walking around with pent up frustrations, and worries over wondering whether the world at large respects me. I have earned all the respect I need for myself, I do not need the approval of others to validate who I am. I follow no crowds, think freely for myself, and make my own decisions based not on what others tell me, but by digesting and understanding the issues, and information available to me on the subject.

Lastly, I choose to buy my dog meat from a purveyor of meat, much the same way I buy all of my other meat. Not because I fear looking into the eyes of my food, and finding meaning in the windows of their soul. I boil live lobsters all the time, and have had the opportunity to hunt and kill many animals over the years in many different countries, and in many instances, cleaned and butchered those animals myself. I highly doubt that you walk out into the field to kill a cow or chicken when you get hungry for a burger, or a chicken wing. I buy my food processed as a matter of convenience it is as simple as that.

Oh and one more thing, the practice of eating dogs goes much further back than the Korean War...please try and educate yourself prior to making such ludicrous comments. Start with the news pages on this site, an article I recently submitted tells of how Native Americans on this continent had regularly used dogs as a food source even when other sources were available.

Regards,

Don
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Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
--Groucho Marx

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Spanky



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Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Concerned....

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don wrote:

First and foremost, Spanky does not best represent the majority of those who spend time on this site. I have have met Spanky in the real world, and while I can say he is a decent gentlemen, he is terribly rough around the edges. I believe it is more of a nurture rather than nature issue. Judging from the area you describe in your post, he could very well be a neighbor of yours.



Don i dont know what you are trying to say here, but i'm a little pissed off. I you mean i am a redneck, then hell yeah I am, Rebel flag flying from the porch and everything. It sounds like you dont think i'm good enough for you. I may not drive fancy cars, and live a big house like you do, but i was good enough to share a beer with you at the BBQ last summer. We both eat dogs, your arent any better than i am just cause you have money. You can !@#$ off with the rest of these damn tree hugging freaks and all the other !@#$.

Kis my redneck ass.

Spanky

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don



Joined: 17 Apr 2003
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 3:34 pm Post subject: My sincere apologies...

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Spanky,
I am sorry if my unfortunate choice of words offended you, that was not my intent. I do count you among my friends, and would not hesitate to invite you into my home. I was simply trying to point out that you have your own sense of self, and make no apologies to anyone about it. By "Rough around the edges" I simply meant that you are a rugged and occasionaly coarse in your manners, not that you are not a good person. I again apologize for any offense, and hope this has not damaged our relationship in any way. Looking forward to seeing you at this year's BBQ.

Regards,

Don
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alan



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Posts: 55

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Dear Concerned -

First, welcome back. I'm going to need some clarification here - while your post contained many words it did not contain much information. When has anyone on this site ever called a pet-loving person a freak? I believe it has been amply pointed out that many of those who eat dog meat also own pet dogs. They treat their animals with the same respect and love that any other pet owner would. Since we have never called any pet owner a freak, you'll need to find a better explanation for me as to why people feel the need to "bash" those who eat dogs.

In a classic example of illogical reasoning, you attempted to twist my previous question and make it look like I'm the one not answering your questions. You say that you are "not sure why you can classify cows, pigs or chickens as pets but won't classify a dog or cat as a pet." I have never said that a dog or a cat is not a pet - I will readily agree that far more people have pet cats or dogs than pigs or chickens. What I want to know - I believe this was the original question - is why you will call a cat or a dog a pet but refuse to acknowledge cows, chickens or pigs as pets. Those who condemn others for eating dog meat are the hypocrites. How do you say one animal is valid as a food source but not others? I say that all animals are viable food sources and all animals are viable pets - if that's what you want.

I believe that all questions raised by the "anti-dog-meat" crowd have been answered repeatedly and intelligently. You have chosen to ignore the answer because it goes against what you want to believe. Don't accuse me of not answering your questions just because I don't say what you want to hear.

Again, you resort to guerilla debate tactics as you continue on with your post. You start your points of with "It's common knowledge..." even though it is, in fact, not common knowledge. Not only is it not common knowledge, but it is a lie. You describe what might have been the case for a small group of people in a small part of the world. In fact, I find it offensive that you've turned a reasonable debate into a podium to spread your racist views. As Don pointed out, you denied a long history of dog-meat consumption because it goes against what you want to believe. Next, you attempt to demonize those who consume dog meat as an attempt to turn others against us. It has been stated (so many times that I'm really getting sick of saying it) that we do not beat dogs. I think it is safe to say that no one on this page eats dog meat for any of the mythical reasons that PETA has been shouting about for so long. Do you beat your chicken and torture it before eating it? Do you beat your pig before eating bacon from it? Then why do you think I would beat a dog before eating it's meat?

If the reasons you pointed out are the reasons "people despise dog eating," then by your own logical admission if these statements are false then there there is no longer any reason for people to despise us. The statements you made are, indeed, very false.

Don defends himself well enough that I won't comment on your Don-bashing.

Finally, I will comment on your hypocrisy once again. You accuse the people on this site of "categoriz everyone that loves a pet as some kind of freak". Let me restate that - you accuse us of categorizing. No one on this site has ever categorized pet-lovers as freaks; however, your final paragraph reads as follows:Quote:
You do not contribute to the social development of any cultures where you evolve towards the goal of ending disease, suffering and violence.

Does that sound like a categorization? It sure does to me. I donate large amounts of money to charities year-round. I participate in community service projects. I participate in other volunteer emergency services, as well. It is commendable that you help at your local animal shelter, but what else do you do? Do you donate time or money to groups devoted to fighting disease? Do you do anything in the community? If so, then good for you. If not, then don't be so quick to cast stones.

If you can answer me the one original question, I'll be more than happy. In case you forgot the question, or in case you didn't want to be bothered with reading my reply all the way through (I apologize for the length), it was this: Why you will call a cat or a dog a pet but refuse to acknowledge cows, chickens or pigs as pets? I simply believe that all animals can be food or pets - how do you make the distinction and who gave you the right to do so?

-alan


Satire? Please.............

[GiovanniC]

53. Yes, People Eat Dogs

And people eat cats. And I am still waiting for a real good reason to be outraged about it.

Eating steak doesn't outrage me (or a huge majority of people).
Eating pork chops doesn't outrage me (or a huge majority of people).
Eating fish & chips doesn't outrage me (or a huge majority of people).
Eating frog legs, lobster, barbequed chicken or rabbit doesn't outrage me (or a huge majority of people).

Why is it such a big deal if people buy a dog and eat it? I'm not talking about sneaking into your backyard and snatching Sparky out of his doghouse. I'm talking about if I want to go buy a dog, and eat it, what the hell difference does it make compared to eating chicken or pork? Or do you go on the Ladies Home Journal website and wring your hands at the ham recipes there, too?

[Maru Kitteh]

60. You enjoy eating your dog, at least we know what you are

As for me I'm going to go give mine a hug.

Keep your companion animals close people, you never know if somebody like this may live close to you.

[GiovanniC]

61. I Don't Have a Dog

Nor do I eat them.

However, I do eat chicken and that doesn't mean that people who own chickens must "keep them away from me" because I am some sort of ravenous monster with chicken blood dripping from my lips at all times and will kill and eat your chickens if I happen to see them out running around.

Jesus effing Christ.

I am STILL waiting for a reason to be SOOOOO upset that people eat dogs.

[DrWeird]

73. Oh, I get it. Very clever.

You're "outrage" is actually satire of satire.

Nobody could post "'outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside it's too dark to read. -Groucho Marx" and actually believe the whole thing wasn't satire.

You got me. Pretty sneaky, sis.

[GiovanniC]

76. Now I'M Fucking Outraged!

How DARE someone get inside of a dog to see how easy it would be to read a book!?

And when they say INSIDE a dog, did they cut it open? Was the dog anesthetized? Was it dead before they cut it open to read a book inside of it? How did they kill it? Or do they mean that they were inside of the dog in the "Rick Santorum" sense of that phrase!? I am not sure which is worse!

OUTRAGE!

[slutticus]

81. The thing that makes landover great are the idiots..

...who believe the site is real. The hate mailbag is awesome.

I shake my head in awe of these people....

[GiovanniC]

85. I Agree... Both Religious and Anti-Religious

They are all a hoot to read. They are pretty obvious, too, but some people only see what they want to see.

[charlie]

40. Pfft

Appease my conscience, har! Highhorse much?

It's a joke. Dog-eating with Better Homes and Garden flair. And they're getting their kicks making your hair stand straight up.

[Maru Kitteh]

34. And no I don't know why it would be listed under humor

self protection would be my guess. If you read the regular members, they are serious.

[cags]

27. Something like this happened to my poor cat

When I was young I had a cat which we allowed outside, one day my cat and three of my neighbors cats disappeared. A week later the chinese restaurant down the street was closed down and the owners arrested for having 30 cat heads in thier garbage.

It was one of the most horrible things that ever happened to me. I was about 12 at the time.

Don't even ask me if I ever ate there. I don't want to talk about it.

:-(

[DrWeird]

31. Yeah, the same thing happened to my uncle's cousin's caseworker.

:eyes:

[gollygee]

50. That site isn't for real

Actually, it looks to me like a sarcastic site made by animal rights activists.

[lectrobyte]

55. Seems like you may be having

a sort of way-over-reaction to me. A spoof web site about eating free-range cute fun animals is "THE SICKEST go*%amn thing" ever?

I've visited parts of the world that ate dog, and it didn't particularly bother me, since I usually try to be non-judgemental about other cultures when I'm the guest. It also looked pretty appetizing, considering what other folks had to eat. No, I didn't eat any (at least that I knew about).

You probably don't want to google up those bonsai kittens, either.

[GiovanniC]

58. Yes, Just to Recap...

THE WORST THING EVER SEEN






NOT AS BAD AS DOGS BEING EATEN





ALSO NOT AS BAD AS DOGS BEING EATEN





Just so we're all clear.

[Lorien]

64. Lack of compassion at every level should be condemned

I don't know why there is SUCH HATE here at DU directed at those who have compassion for animals.

JUST TO RECAP: COMPASSION FOR ONE LIVING THING DOESN'T IMPLY LACK OF COMPASSION FOR ANOTHER!!!!!!!!

The human heart is capable of enough outrage to cover EVERY outrage. The human heart SHOULD have enough compassion for every living thing. If yours is very finite, then you need to ask yourself why your ability to feel empathy is so limited.

I APPLAUD every human being who fights for justice and compassion for all living things. compassion is among the MOST ADMIRABLE of traits. It is despised by Freepers, and should be fully embraced by all true liberals.

[GiovanniC]

67. What Part of "absolutely THE SICKEST go*%amn thing I have EVER SEEN"

escaped you?

[GiovanniC]

71. Answer A Few Questions, If You Will

(1) What purpose does outrage serve if not to promote action?

(2) While you claim we have the capacity for infinite outrage, is it also your stance that we each have the capacity for infinite action?

(3) If you do not believe that we each have the capacity for infinite action, does it not seem logical that one must prioritize their outrage-prompted actions?

[fishwax]

87. It's nothing compared to the hate directed at

people who don't recognize satire ... :)

[Maru Kitteh]

70. That's a bullshit response, see post #9, well before your little slideshow

Veganistan (80 posts) Thu Feb-03-05 05:47 PM
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9. OK, you got me there but this is still the sickest thing I've seen today


I thought I would blow chunks when I realized they were for real, and not satire.

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Compassion for one does not negate compassion for another. But then these are not concepts one would expect a self described asshole to fathom.

[GiovanniC]

74. So Are You a Drama Queen or a Liar?

Because I'm not making this quote up, am I?

"Absolutely THE SICKEST go*%amn thing I have EVER SEEN"

I don't think so, since it's the title of this fucking thread.

By the way, it IS satire, but like many of those who write into landoverbaptist.com, you are so wrapped up in your own ideologies that you refuse and simply cannot see it.

[ultraist]

82. Excellent points! Yes, eatting dogs in our culture causes conflicts

excerpt
http://www.uvm.edu/~geograph/beast.html
Norms of legitimate animal practice are neither consistent or universal. Instead, codes for harmful animal practices are heavily dependent on immediate context of an event. Here, the critical dimensions of context include the animal species, human actor(s), rationale for and methods of harm, and site of action involved in the practice . And because animal practices emerge over long periods of time as part of highly variable cultural landscapes, place is also implicated in constructing the human-animal divide. When distinct, place-based animal practices are suddenly inserted into new locales by immigrants, and are thus decontextualized, conflict erupts. Those newcomers who violate or transgress the many-layered cultural boundary between people and animals become branded as "savage," "primitive," or "uncivilized," and risk dehumanization, i.e. being symbolically allocated to the far side of the human-animal divide.
####
When the Hmong refugees were found to be eatting dogs in MN, people immediately jumped on the bandwagon to call them primitive and barbaric. Granted, eatting dogs in OUR culture is not acceptable, but they were simply practicing their culture.

We eat animals in our culture, careful with the harsh judgements.

[slutticus]

65. ROTF!!!

I love it when people think this shit is real.

"But but but...look at the forums...it's real!!!!"

LOL!!!! :bounce:

It's not really the satire that's all that funny...it's the people who flip out thinking it's for real.


If this site is about dog meat, why do you use pictures of pets instead of meat?

There are two reasons we show pet dogs on the page rather than pictures of dog meat. First, pictures of pets appeal more to a general audience than pictures of meat. We want to appeal to the widest audience possible. Second, due to strict laws prohibiting the sale of dog meat in many areas, pet dogs tend to be the easiest way to obtain dog meat.


I mean...please....

[JVS]

97. Funny

[amazona]

66. wish it was the sickest thing I'd ever seen

A, I suspect it's a little bit of a troll or leg pull type of site, not serious advocacy of eating dog. B, when I think of what we've seen in recent years from 9-11 to beheadings to children's hands being blown off in war zones, then I have to put this pretty far down on the list of atrocities. I mean, seriously, it does not even make the top 10 of the sickest things I've seen. It's too bad that jerks exist, but we also have a responsibility as pet owners to control our pets and not to allow them to wander loose on the property of others, who may have "different" attitudes about what is proper for consumption.

My chickens weren't for consumption, they were for pets and for eggs, but if I didn't care for them properly, then I had to be reasonable and assume that someone would eat them. Even if that someone be a raccoon.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[Maru Kitteh]

75. see post number 9

As world atrocities goes, yes it's way down there but it's the sickest damn thing I ran into today.

The MAIN POINT of this post was to remind people to keep their companion animals CLOSE and SUPERVISED. You never know when some sick son of a bitch is going to do something horrible to them.

I'm glad you watch out for your pet chickens. :)

[William Bloode]

78. Nothing wrong with a little dog.

As with any other meat it tastes just fine with the right fixin's. Infact i would much rather eat the dog than dog food.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

80. Free the animal slaves!

there are millions of animals being kept in captivity by HUMANS!

they are confined to fences and leashes!

they are not allowed to go anywhere without their MASTER's permission!

FREE THE ANIMAL SLAVES!

WOULD YOU LIKE TO LIVE IN CAPTIVITY!??!

FREE THE DOGS!!!

:silly:

[MsTryska]

83. in some cultures dog is recognized as people food.

just like in some other cultures horses are considered people food.


and in others grubs are considered people food.


in some older cultures people were considered people food. Christians put an end to that, but who am i to judge?


now i'm picky about my protein personally, but i'm not going to fault soemone else's culture for the things they eat.

[William Bloode]

86. Exactly.

Being Native American dog eating was normal for many of us. Not so much any more since we have mostly been forced to give up our own way of life, the horror stories i heard from many of my elders about the old reeducation schools they were sent to where everything Native about them removed, or rather they attempted to remove it.

[WetBarNone]

88. How do you feel about Grey Wolves being allowed to eat your pets and

livestock and you can't do anything to intervene?

[Pow_Wow]

90. keep your pets inside at night

Wolves hunt at night

does that answer your question?
(duh)

[SemiCharmedQuark]

92. What??? And do the responsible thing?

You're out of your mind! :eyes:

[SemiCharmedQuark]

91. How'd you feel if someone moved into your house,

wouldn't let you eat, made you sleep in the closet and then shot you when out of starvation you tried to steal a porkchop?

[apple_ridge]

89. Somebody should start a taste poll. My personal favorite is

ground greyhound on a bun, but Pekingese with a nice chianti is an acceptable alternative.

Wow. Lighten up.

[Pow_Wow]

93. OK, I think the site is sick satire

just from what I've seen posted here. However the poster believes otherwise and that is their prerogative until proven otherwise. In the mean time, many of the posts here seem to belong in the lounge, as they are most definitely sick satire.

I think this thread should probably be locked.

[Magleetis]

94. There are

coyotes where I live, they eat neighborhood dogs.

[LibertyorDeath]

95. Here you go

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[Spider Jerusalem]

96. Well, if they BOUGHT dogs for the purpose, I see no problem with it.

Our squeamishness towards eating the flesh of certain animals is entirely cultural. Meat is meat. (Although eating the flesh of other primates is a really bad idea.)

[Feron]

98. I thought after Bonzai Kitten

that people would realize that there are those who create these sites with the hopes that people will become outraged and spread the link. They delight in the negative publicity.

If you believe that animals really are being abused then pass the info along to the authorities. However, this site is a joke.