Right wing hate from pundits like Coulter, Savage, Hannity and Limbaugh.

[Oldpals]

I am new as a poster to these forums but I have been reading from this site for a year or so. It is magnificent and also informative.

What distresses me these days more than anything else is the total hypocrisy of the right wing media pundits who spit vile and outrageous remarks and comments that are so dangerous, that I feel eventually, that they will lead to people being killed as a result.

That these people view only one form of governance is scary and that so many Americans have bought into it is troubling. Or, have these Americans bought into it or even heard it?

Savage is on here in Chicago now and I was talking about him with some conservative friends, letting them know what he has said in recent shows. I had waited for the opportunity to talk about what he had said regarding the Tsunami victims, after they had expressed their anger at Ted Kennedy for talking about what was wrong with the events in Iraq.

I was glad I was able to send them to various sites to let them see for themselves what hypocrites and dangerous people these are.

Ann Coulter was caught red faced by a Canadian journalist when she could not get her history correct. I believe that some young students in Oxford England also embarrassed her on political issues. Did that stop her on her rampage of hate? No, she continues on.

What I want to know is how we can make more of the American public aware of the dangerous hate being spewed by these people. They demonize Michael Moore and Ted Kennedy yet, Coulter, Limbaugh, Savage and O'Reilly who call anyone on the left raving lunatics, unAmerican, traitors and God knows what else and that is acceptable? Something is drastically wrong here.

When I started to see those references to Goebbels and the Nazi party I would turn my eyes to heaven. Now I am looking at it again in a different light and the differences are becoming less and less.

[high_carb_hot_dog]

1. do what I do

and just ignore em. they can't bother you if you're not listening.

[Zen Democrat]

2. They've been ignored for too long. That's not the answer.

The "sane" people in this country have to be monitoring these radicals in order that their lies can be exposed and challenged. They've gone unchallenged for so long that they spew out the lies and hate and since no one seems to rebut it, the dupes that listen to this garbage assume it must be true. The time for ignoring these pukes is over. They have to be exposed to the light.

They aren't getting better -- they are getting bolder in their lies. Now it's accepted on RW talk radio that liberals are traitors who should be arrested for sedition, etc. There's an evil in the land. Ignoring won't make it go away.

[TWiley]

8. I hope the "genuine" Christians (if there is such a thing)

light the Holy Fires of Hell under their asses.

A religious opposition would be the best tool against those thugs.

[Charles19]

21. I am certainly part of the religious opposition to these

people, but I am a Muslim.

Thing that is starting to worry me is I think the movement that we are witnessing, at least for the people pumping the fuel into it may be people getting on a train they can never stop, and they can never get off of until it crashes. Unfortunately we are all on this train too because we live here.

When I hear Bush's state of the union it sounds to me like it is all for political purposes to quash dissent by making everything the republican agenda is for, is for freedom and everyone against it is against freedom. The right wing pundits will do their part to make sure this point is pounded into peoples ditto'd heads every day.

I think it is very likely that the republicans will continue to make ground in judgeships, house, senate, etc. They have successfully painted the opposition as terrorist loving, gay promoting, atheist, weak, pro-taxes, anti-business.

If anyone dissents against them on any points you fall into that group, and that group is not going to be winning any elections. So a large question looms of what to do? I think we have to stick to our values but unfortunately I don't see anything changing until the train crashes.

[TWiley]

28. I agree.

That is the way I see things also.

I support the religious group known as the interfaith alliance. They are made up of all religious traditions united to oppose conservative religious hatred.

I do have a separate question though. I do not know any Muslims personally, and I am skeptical of anything that Christian pentecostal evangelists say.

It is common to hear the argument that "the old Surrah (?) is superseded by the new one" and, "The new Surrah teaches that everyone will worship Allah at the end of a sword". They use this argument to claim that Islam is a religion of hate. What is the truth about that?

[mattclearing]

4. Cause that's a solution. n/t

[TWiley]

7. Welcome to DU high_carb.

I had hot dogs last night in fact. I forgot to flip em over and they lookes like they were burnt by the fires of HELL when I got back to the BBQ grill.

Those were High CARB-on dawgs.

[high_carb_hot_dog]

10. that reminds me

i actually haven't had a hot dog in like 2 weeks now...damn. i'm gonna havta get some from checkers on my way to work tomorrow

on edit: high carb-ON dogs...hahaha!! just got it

[BeachBuckeye]

12. Lets say its 1932

And you and some friends are sitting in a restaurant in Hamburg Germany and someone at the table says "did you know Hitler is going to kill all the Jews?" Would you have laughed it off and changed the subject?

With all this talk of "Treason", "Sedition", and such coming from the Right, its becoming a bit uncomfortable for many of us on the Left who speak out. I get death threats from the "Wingers" and the frequency of the threats has increased since the election. . Is is no longer funny. They are now to the point where they feel empowered to do almost anything. The way I see it we cannot be far from the point where they start issuing the Brown shirts and Lugers.

Guy
www.theguyjamesshow.com

[high_carb_hot_dog]

14. relax dude...

nobody is going to take you away because you're a lefty. yes, they're most definitely arrogant assholes and it's sad that they influence opinion as much as they do. but it's not Nazi Germany. so chill out

[BeachBuckeye]

29. Obviously you haven't had your family and your person threatened

I have. Many times. The authorities have a file. Chill out? Sure!

[txaslftist]

23. right up until they arrest you or get you fired.

[mattclearing]

delete but I'll use this as an opportunity to say

Welcome to DU!

:hi:

Or at least thanks for speaking up. :)

[mattclearing]

3. Eventually? Look at Iraq.

These people are just morally indefensible.

They will do anything to justify their macho worldview.

It's pretty depressing when you look at the carnage they've caused.

[Hugin]

5. Welcome to posting on DU! n/t

[Scurrilous]

6. Speaking of Ann Coulter...

...my community newspaper had a blurb about the upcoming Friends of Scouting Dinner:

http://www.sfcbsa.org/Council/FOS.html

2005 Friends of Scouting Kickoff Dinner
An Evening With Ann Coulter
Thursday, February 10th - Signature Grand – Davie, FL


TO RESERVE YOUR SEATS
please call your Boy Scout executive, or Joshua Christ, Finance Director, at 305-364-0020, x 218, email: [e-mail]


From the website it appears that Oliver North was the featured speaker at the 2004 event. When did the scouts go over to the dark side?

[Hugin]

9. When did Jesus Christ get an email address?

[e-mail]

The Scouts have been in the crapper for awhile now.

Anyway.

[Verve]

16. LOL! That's funny. What a freakin religious fanatic.

This is the type of person that leads a boyscout troop? And they're supposedly better than a homosexual leader? I beg to differ on that one! Someone who thinks he's J. Christ should not be teaching boyscouts!

[Stirk]

15. They can't have gay scout leaders, but they *can* have

fascist propagandists and arms-dealing traitors? Jesus, the scouts are seriously fucked up.

[Batgirl]

18. Candidate for world's most-dreaded phrase:

"An Evening With Ann Coulter"

[Scurrilous]

19. After 'An Evening With Ann Coulter'....

...all Scouts in attendence will be eligible for the following merit badge:

[Hugin]

20. ULP!.... That's it! I'm gonna spew!

:puke:

[PST]

11. they will never go away

that's why there needs to be a progressive network NOW.

some of the programming?

- comedy by Jon Stewart, Bill Maher etc
- musical entertainment by Springsteen, Bon Jovi etc
- talk shows with people like Keith Olbermann, Ron Reagan etc
- a daily/weekly Media Matters show during which all the conservative lying scumbags are exposed

surely George Soros has a couple of spare millions in the bank? hell half the country voted for Dems so I'm pretty sure the ratings would be excellent.

Aahh please don't wake me up..

[Cocoa]

13. Brokaw's replacement praised Limbaugh

perfect example of how hate is tolerated. Williams feels no need to say anything about Rush's overt racism. Wouldn't want to offend such a large group of Rush fans. Total cowardice.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200501240007

<snip>

WILLIAMS: I do listen to Rush. I listen to it from a radio in my office, or depending on my day, if I'm in the car, I will listen to Rush. And he will tell you I've been listening for years. I think it's my duty to listen to Rush. I think Rush has actually yet to get the credit he is due, because his audience for so many years felt they were in the wilderness of this country. No one was talking to them.

<...>

Rush said to millions of Americans, you have a home. Come with me. For three hours a day you can listen and hear the like-minded calling in from across the country, and I'll read to you things perhaps you didn't see that are out there. I think Rush gave birth to the FOX News Channel. I think Rush helped to give birth to a movement. I think he played his part in the Contract with America. So I hope he gets his due as a broadcaster.

[Verve]

25. I knew there was a reason I didn't like Brian Williams. Now I know.

Thanks for the info. I hope his ratings go down!

[riverwalker]

17. hate radio

"that I feel eventually, that they will lead to people being killed as a result."
I think it has already happened. I wonder what role they played in the Sikh being shot after 9/11, or the James Byrd being dragged behind the pick-up, or the beating to death of Matthew Shepard.
In the Rwanda tribunals, the courts found "hate radio" guilty in inciting hate and killing. If you Google the arguments in the case, it is pretty interesting.

[The Minus World]

22. Follow the Pendulum Back to the Left

Yes, I'm seeing it too. In the mid-90s, I used to put up fences with my father - a hard-right, "my way or the highway" Republican. He'd hook up his radio, using an extention cord from the work truck, and blast Rush Limbaugh while we were on the job.

I was not quite as politically aware back then, as I am now; however, I fully comprehended the fact that Mr. Limbaugh was a self-inflated windbag with little more to contribute to the political arena than heavily-slanted editorializing.

He speaks not for the majority, but for a small group of individuals who feel that any step towards equal rights is a persecution of a rightfully dominant class of white males; who feel that any media watchdog group must avert their eyes to the countless fumbles and inaccuracies of the Right, and only focus only on alerting others to liberal bias, as rare as it may be; who feel as though race and gender are primary factors in dictating one's quality as a human being, yet flinch at being called "racist"; who feel that the concept of patriotism means showing loyalty to the government, rather than to the constitution.

Same with Coulter, Hannity, Savage, et al. These people are speaking from a narrow ideology; one that oftentimes forces them to abandon principles that they exalted two days earlier. People understand when they're being sold a product, and these right-wing hacks are doing nothing more than pitching a failed political purview; and a desperate thirty percent of Americans seem to be tiring of blowing life into it.

[entanglement]

24. Yes. Sadly, these people

are *popular* They command millions of dedicated fans. I (forced) myself to listen to some their drivel to find out what motivates them. When you hear their rants against people who look 'different', or support torture in Iraq or express joy at the recent tsunami in Asia, I get the feeling that these people are lashing out at the *perceived* loss of white power (perceived because the white power structure is largely intact and isn't going away any time soon). Their fans respond in a positive way to this underlying theme more than any specifics. They rant so much against 'political correctness' precisely because it sets limits to the hate they can spew. Sometimes I feel that if hate speech has the effect of providing 'release' to the angry people out there it's probably preferable to having them suppress their feelings and end up actually attacking / hurting someone.

[The Minus World]

26. The Deep End of The Dial

Certainly, much of right-wing radio can be considered nothing more than catharsis for socially maladapted individuals.

It is necessary for those who dictate the right-wing's marching orders to co-ordinate their messages (e.g. Talking Points), creating a synthetic, alternate "common sense" where violence never begets violence; paranoid distrust of other political bodies curtails rational discussion with them; and group effort towards the goals of mankind is seen as counterproductive.

The Republicans have become so successful at narrowing their message down to a few Pavlovian trigger-words which evoke emotion in their core followers, that reason, logic and truth have become obsolete in their crusade for political dominance.

This is truly a Machiavellian, Straussian nightmare for America, and I can only hope that it will end soon; otherwise, a good third of the American population will be driven to the point of paranoid delusion, making every judgment one of "right versus left" rather than "true versus untrue".

[annabanana]

27. Welcome to DU, oldpals

Thank you for a thoughtful post. Keep up the good educating work and if it's merely ignorance that blocks the eyes of your conservative colleagues, we will have more liberals every day!