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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 07:31 PM
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"I pity the dog that humps Dr Dobson's leg"
Edited on Fri Feb-04-05 07:33 PM by seemslikeadream



In his best-selling book, "The Strong-Willed Child," child-rearing author James Dobson describes how he abused his family's pet dachshund, Siggie:

"Please don't misunderstand me. Siggie is a member of our family and we love him dearly. And despite his anarchistic nature, I have finally taught him to obey a few simple commands. However, we had some classic battles before he reluctantly yielded to my authority.

"The greatest confrontation occurred a few years ago when I had been in Miami for a three-day conference. I returned to observe that Siggie had become boss of the house while I was gone. But I didn't realize until later that evening just how strongly he felt about his new position as Captain.

"At eleven o'clock that night, I told Siggie to go get into his bed, which is a permanent enclosure in the family room. For six years I had given him that order at the end of each day, and for six years Siggie had obeyed.

"On this occasion, however, he refused to budge. You see, he was in the bathroom, seated comfortably on the furry lid of the toilet seat. That is his favorite spot in the house, because it allows him to bask in the warmth of a nearby electric heater..."

"When I told Sigmund to leave his warm seat and go to bed, he flattened his ears and slowly turned his head toward me. He deliberately braced himself by placing one paw on the edge of the furry lid, then hunched his shoulders, raised his lips to reveal the molars on both sides, and uttered his most threatening growl. That was Siggie's way of saying. "Get lost!"

"I had seen this defiant mood before, and knew there was only one way to deal with it. The ONLY way to make Siggie obey is to threaten him with destruction. Nothing else works. I turned and went to my closet and got a small belt to help me "reason" with Mr. Freud."

"What developed next is impossible to describe. That tiny dog and I had the most vicious fight ever staged between man and beast. I fought him up one wall and down the other, with both of us scratching and clawing and growling and swinging the belt. I am embarrassed by the memory of the entire scene. Inch by inch I moved him toward the family room and his bed. As a final desperate maneuver, Siggie backed into the corner for one last snarling stand. I eventually got him to bed, only because I outweighed him 200 to 12!"

Just in case the more slow-witted among his readers fail to grasp the obvious parallel between his relationship with his dog and the type of parenting advice the man as become rich and famous by dispensing, Dobson then lays it explicitly on the line:

"But this is not a book about the discipline of dogs; there is an important moral to my story that is highly relevant to the world of children. JUST AS SURELY AS A DOG WILL OCCASIONALLY CHALLENGE THE AUTHORITY OF HIS LEADERS, SO WILL A LITTLE CHILD -- ONLY MORE SO." (emphasis Dobson's)

Dobson says that his Focus On the Family organization is engaged in a "new civil war" in which the "forces of Light" (child hitters, homophobes, Operation Rescue, would-be censors, etc.) are pitted against the "forces of Darkness" (antispankers, gays and lesbians, Planned Parenthood, free speech advocates, etc.). This man treats dog ownership as a war, he treats childrearing as a war; indeed he appears to see his entire life as a war.

http://www.nospank.net/dugan.htm

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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 07:34 PM
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1. Oh my God.
What the hell is wrong with these people?
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 07:36 PM
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2. Guess he and Gonzales make a fine pair.n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 11:12 PM
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18. Two peas in a pod
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 07:36 PM
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3. "The most vicious fight ever staged between man and beast" ?
Um, no dear, see, if that were the case, you would have lost your life within a few moments of your initial lunge...

"I am embarrassed by the memory of the entire scene."

Good. Now what don't you get about this being the wrong way to raise a responsible adult?
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 07:36 PM
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4. Sorry, dupe
Edited on Fri Feb-04-05 07:37 PM by Book Lover
Gee, this has happened twice in two days....
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 07:40 PM
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5. Wow.
Beat kids and animals into submission. I'd like to take a belt to him.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 07:56 PM
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7. ANIMAL PSYCHOLOGY
Dobson evidently believes that what works with dogs will work with human beings. In other words, he is recommending that, when it comes to training and discipline, parents should treat their children like animals. Dobson declares: "Rewards are not only useful in shaping animal behavior; they succeed even better with humans." He comes to his conclusions regarding rewards from animal psychology rather than from the Bible.

Dobson then presents this psychological theory as fact. He says, "It is an absolute fact that unreinforced behavior will eventually disappear. This process, called extinction by psychologists, can be very useful to parents and teachers who want to alter the characteristics of children."

http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/psychosavior.htm
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 01:08 AM
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28. I have a dog...
Edited on Sat Feb-05-05 01:09 AM by susanna
who would make Dr. Dobson sh!t his pants. 100 lbs., teeth that would make anyone think twice, and a growl that makes your gut rumble with fright.

She would be an "alpha" female in a native canine state. I have fought fairly with her for ten years. She is now quite loving and docile towards me, her pack's "real" alpha female. In her case, hitting or violence made her more aggressive - not more docile. Clear and repeatable boundaries made her pay attention. She is too smart to learn from wholesale aggression.

I do not hit or otherwise "overlord" this dog. Ever. I taught her to obey through other methods; most potential-alpha animals understand boundaries and authority. This means I must constantly watch her and correct her quickly. It sometimes makes for a trying owner/pet relationship, but I would have no other with this particular animal. Admittedly, the next animal I have will be much more amenable to human alpha-ness. ;-)

She is now at the stage where I will soon face euthanising her because of age and infirmity. She now licks the hand she used to want to bite; simply because she trusts it to be fair. What goes around comes around...

on edit: this is all my humble opinion...
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 05:56 AM
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31. That's SO DUMB
Okay, so this asshole obviously has heard of operant conditioning, but he still chooses to engage in a completely destructive FIGHT with the dog, trying to apply +P (active punishment) reinforcement, the LEAST effective reinforcement there is?! He could have withdrawn his attention (-P reinforcement, "punishment by withholding reward") or, best of all, offered a +R reinforcement (a reward).

So, not only is he missing the whole point of how operant conditioning works, he takes the absolute DUMBNESS a step further by declaring that what works with an adult canine will work with a juvenile human. Um, kinda NOT. The needs of a baby *anything* are different from those of an adult *anything*.

Attachment parenting is what works best with all altricial babies, including primates...maybe *especially* primates, as primate babies tend to live on their moms. Humans included.

Tucker (raised many critters, attachment-parented two human babies)
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 07:41 PM
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6. Well, fuck him.
I hate the fact that I live in the same state with that Nazi.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 08:01 PM
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8. Another excerpt here.
Dobson even views some crying babies as "little dictators" engaged in a bid to control and enslave their parents, and advises parents not to let the child "win" by picking up the child and soothing it. He warns that:

"t is possible to create a fussy, demanding baby by rushing to pick him up every time he utters a whimper or sigh. Infants are fully capable of learning to manipulate their parents through a process called reinforcement, whereby any behavior that produces a pleasant result will tend to recur. Thus, a healthy baby can keep his mother hopping around his nursery twelve hours a day (or night) by simply forcing air past his sandpaper larynx."
This is a classic example of a neurotic projecting his own unquenchable symbolic cravings onto babies who are simply trying to get their needs met in the only way available to them, by crying. Indeed, Dobson himself is an excellent example of how babies turn out whose needs are not met. Because HE was not picked up when he cried as a baby, he finds crying babies intolerable. He perceivess THEIR needs as insatiable and urges parents to just ignore them and let them cry themselves into silent, exhausted despair. In fact, the genuine emotional needs of babies, unlike the symbolic pseudoneeds of neurotics, are not bottomless pits which can never be filled. Babies whose needs are met are LESS demanding and troublesome than babies whose needs aren't met, not more so. For proof, one need only observe cultures in which babies are carried everywhere next to the mothers's body in slings and their needs for feeding or attention instantly gratified on demand. According to Dobson, these should be incredibly "spoiled" cranky babies, but they aren't. (For more about this, see Jean Liedloff's excellent book, The Continuum Concept).

From the same link.


But in high school psychology, the Bonding cycle was discussed. And this is why babies need attention when they are little, especially when they need something. If they are not given the proper attention, they don't bond with anyone and that creates problems as they get older.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 09:43 PM
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11. Damn, it never ceases to amaze me how these
people are not afraid to show their ignorance. I am a parent of 3 boys, who happens to also live in the same state as this dork. As a parent it's easy to see that Dobson has no idea whatsoever about parenting. After each of my kids were home for a week I knew what each cry meant. There was the whining cry (I'm hungry) the screaming cry (my butt needs changing)and the whimpering cry (pay attention to me. But as I learned with each of my kids, every child is different from day one, some cry all the time, some cry when they need something and some don't cry at all. Anyone parent who has been through this can tell you that while some generalities exist they are just that, generalities. Every child is different. Obviously Dobson is generally an idiot.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 09:52 PM
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14. Is that what's wrong with Republicans?
Something missing in the bonding process? Seriously, they have no ability to imagine that the tragedies of others could happen to them or to have empathy when tragedies happen to others. Until something smacks them right in the head, they just don't get it. And even then, they still aren't able to apply it to broader situations. Like Cheney and his daughter, he gets it when it comes to her, but can't apply that to any other unintended life situations.

Is it a lack of bonding because of nutso parents like Dobson?
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:46 AM
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27. well, unfuckingfortunately, my brother and sister-in-law are
Dobson fanatics, and they have a beautiful little 4 year old to abuse with all of Dobson's bullshit.

My whole family is trying to "out-christian" each other right now, it's really nauseating.

I've heard them say this crap about "letting her cry".

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 09:32 PM
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9. Don't serial killers start out as animal abusers?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 10:57 PM
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17. George W Bush killed frogs as a child.
Shot them with a BB rifle and blew them up with firecrackers.

Psycho. Whack. Nutjob.

The pretzeldent.
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Hatalles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 09:38 PM
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10. Holy Shit!
Edited on Fri Feb-04-05 09:39 PM by Hatalles
Nice find. This is truly disturbing.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 09:49 PM
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12. OMG, the man is a lunatic
I'm not even as much of a doggy person as people around here, but my dog has NEVER growled at me!!! That's a clue right there, dogs do not growl at owners who have developed the right kind of master/dog relationship. And he applies this to raising children??? He's an abusive bastard. I don't understand how anybody can listen to this idiot.
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KissMeKate Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 09:50 PM
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13. hm, wonder ho many "failure to thrive" babies can thank him for his advice
what a fucking creep.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 10:14 PM
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15. 6 year old dogs aren't children
they're senior citizens, dammit. I don't blame that dog for wanting to stay where it was warm instead of going to his bed which apparently wasn't in a heated area of the house.

This guy seemingly has no compassion or empathy for any being other than himself. How Christ-like is that?

dg
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 10:26 PM
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16. I have five of these. They have never seen a belt. But I would
love to take one to him, the frickin asshole. He's the biggest damned dumbest meanest coward. EVER!
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mordarlar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 06:51 AM
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33. I cannot imagine taking a "belt" to anything.
Edited on Sat Feb-05-05 06:52 AM by mordarlar
messed up
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 11:17 PM
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19. Ugh!!!!!!! I am so disgusted.......
This man is EVIL.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 11:24 PM
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20. What A Pissant This Wretch Is, Ma'am
Edited on Fri Feb-04-05 11:24 PM by The Magistrate
Hell, if the dog had another ten pounds on him it might have been a fair fight, when the man is such a cowardly bully....
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Melynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 11:35 PM
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21. This is sick
Apparently, Dobson enjoys beating animals and people who are smaller and weaker than him.

BTW, does anyone know Dobson's view on wife beating? Might be an interesting question to ask him.
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_NorCal_D_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:14 AM
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22. This guy is a contemptuous beast
and an embarrassment to the human race.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:21 AM
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23. Spare the rod, spoil the dog
And may any rebellious children be stoned to death by their immediate family.

Amen.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:27 AM
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24. Insert Rick Santorum joke here:
Edited on Sat Feb-05-05 12:29 AM by DefenseLawyer
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:41 AM
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25. I feel bad for the pets of these RW nutjobs...
I would never beat my pets, or my "kids" (I don't have any kids yet)
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:43 AM
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26. What a Schmuck!
What the fucking diference does it make WHERE the dog sleeps?

What's Lord Jim's take on CATS? I seem to recall some recent revelations about how cats go against everything Leviticus has to say about mouthy dis-obedient children.

Wonder what he does to his wife with that "small" belt when she lets his 3-minute egg go for 3:25?
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 01:33 AM
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29. It's Too Damn Bad
that dog didn't take his hand off. Treating any living creature that way is just plain abuse.

And anyone who would take parenting advise from this jerk doesn't love animals or children.

:grr:
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 01:48 AM
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30. go to google and look up UnHoly Alliance. More than you ever wanted
to know. Dobson and all the rest are a frightening bunch of individuals. Especially with their alliance with the right Reverend Moon. Wake up everyone.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 09:57 AM
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38. Kingpins In The Unholy Alliance

Evangelists & Politicians


Rev. Sun Myung Moon, founder, leader & self-proclaimed 'Messiah' to the Unification Church & the world.

Tim LaHaye, evangelist & Christian author of best-selling series "Left Behind."

Beverly LaHaye, wife of Tim LaHaye, author and spokesperson for several Moon funded "Christian" orgs

Paul Crouch, Founder and Chairman of Trinity Broadcasting Network, one of the largest tele-evangelical corporations

Bill Bright, Founder and head of the international evangelical association, 'Campus Crusades for Christ'

Robert Schuller, Pastor and Tele-evangelist from the famous 'Crystal Cathedral' in Southern California.

Rev. Billy Graham, recognized world-wide as one of the most influential evangelical preachers; author and syndicated religious columnist

Pat Robertson, Television Evangelist, Founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network & 700 Club anchor; founder of Operation Blessing; one time presidential candidate

Rev. James Kennedy, founder & pastor of Coral Ridge Ministries, outspoken television evangelist

Rev. James Robison, TV evangelist; Life Outreach International Ministries; associated with many Moon organizations

Ralph Reed, former director of the Christian Coalition and member of the conservative think-tank "Heritage Foundation"

Gary Bauer, Conservative politician and Executive Director of the Christian Coalition; unsuccessful Presidential candidate.

Dr. James Dobson, Pediatrician, author and publisher, head of Focus On The Family, a Christ-centric organization and magazine

Phyllis Schlafly, Christian political activist who says a woman's place is in the home... even though she's not

Jay Sekulow, Christian political activist and attorney involved in family values issues from abortion to parents rights

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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 06:46 AM
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32. Go, Siggie, go! Fuck this oppressor!
Siggie standing up for both man AND beast.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 07:14 AM
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34. I heard this book didn't work on the Bush twins ....
...I also heard Bush was the dog humping Dobson's leg ...it was at a bar, of course....
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 08:33 AM
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35. It is a self fulfilling prophesy
A person who sees his life as a war, will live in a war zone.

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dutchdoctor Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 10:30 AM
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36. I don't no why you are all so upset about this..
the Bible says it's OK to beat your slaves as long as you it doesn't kill them within two days, so what is all the fuss about?

"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)"

/sarcasm off

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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:38 PM
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37. What a moran...
What developed next is impossible to describe. That tiny dog and I had the most vicious fight ever staged between man and beast.

Oh, please. "The most vicious fight ever staged between man and beast" -- against a 12-pound weiner dog???

For some reason, I'm reminded of the Monty Python "vocational guidance counselor" skit where the client is convinced that he could be a lion-tamer, and it turns out that what he thinks are "lions" are actually anteaters.

Not to mention the Holy Grail killer rabbit attack.

My suggestion: is there any way we can get a Pit Bull, Doberman, or Rottweiler into Dobson's house?

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