This Freeper co-worker said this to me about Ward Churchill's statements

[NGU]

He said that if I believed what Ward Churchill says about the 9-11 victims then

1) I must believe by extension that all tax paying citizens are legitimate terror targets because they pay money that supports the military that carried out our foreign policies

2) If I hated America's foreign policies over the past decades so much that I felt 9-11 was a legitimate attack, then maybe I should leave for a country that I could respect more. Especially since I must believe #1 and why should I allow myself to be a target for something I don't support.

Can you believe that crap? How dare he make such statements to me?

[bush_is_wacko]

1. I swear these people have all been to the same KKK

meetings. The crap they spew is EXACTLY what the KKK culture teaches it's members. I have read what Churchill wrote and quite frankly nowhere does he say the terrorists were right in their beliefs. He does however say that if people continue to think like your idiotic co-worker we will be targeted for more attacks and those attacks will be far more deadly than the one our president did NOTHING to stop.

bush knew! He chose to do nothing because he KNEW he could scare people into what he has wanted to do since his father lost his bid for a second term...go after Muslim oil and turn this country over to his bigoted, greedy, corporate buddies. How many hours do you suppose the average middle class American can be forced to work so that his greedy friends can become richer.

[FreedomAngel82]

8. All about PNAC baby

Read this page: http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html
it talks about his day on 9/11. Very interesting.

[Eric J in MN]

2. did he ask you if you agree, or just assume? nt

nt

[Warpy]

3. Well, Ward Churchill is full of crap

It was early enough in the morning that only the worker bees were around, and the ones that Ward's creaming his trousers over getting killed were still sitting in traffic on the Long Island Expressway. Most of those folks were low level office workers, restaurant and maintenance staff, and passengers on airplanes whose only crime was traveling.

1) Taxes are not a choice. Work is not a choice. The way they are set up, both are coerced. That both are necessary is beside the point. The fact that both are coerced negates any responsibility from contributing to either.

2) This is OUR HOME, too, and we feel like fighting to take it back from cretins like Freepers. We'll see who wins the war after Freeper economic chickens come home to roost.

Your poor, intellectually limited Freeper friend has made a very serious blunder, that of equating trying to understand the reason for atrocity with an eye to preventing it from happening again to condoning atrocity.

They always do that, poor things.

[pretzel4gore]

11. i'm enraged too....

the american people crown columbus a hero....rightwing groups pressured schoolboards to use 'good columbus' history books going back to when public education was being organised in USA (see 'lies my teacher told me')...churchill despises columbus because columbus did think like a nazi....ie: he'd go somewhere and take whatever he wanted w/out regard for the people who owned it, he'd kill and enslave them w/out any regards for morality, using christ as a cover for his greedy criminality.....churchill knows that the US hasn't refuted columbus even today, and the columbus 'nazi' idea is as valid today as in 1492 or 1942....on top of all that, churchill today undoubtedly knows that bush LIHOP 911 at the very least, MIHOP it most likely, so one way of shutting him up is to make him defend a atatement made in the heat of the 911 moment....which no longer applies in light of the coup d'etat going on....

[SuffragetteSal]

4. Paula Zahn's interview of Ward Churchill made me sick...

she is not worthy of being on the television night after night....but then not many tv journalist are these days.

I listened with interest to what Mr. Churchill had to say and I must admit I got a sense that most people could not understand his thesis report about the sensibility and reactions of the human race. He is so right in the fact that even as he used his first amendment right to speak his opinion, terrorist like violent attacks were being threatened to him and the president of the college...so he is right, people can be pushed to do almost anything.

[Donailin]

6. Zhan sounded like the self righteous indignant bitch that she is.

Churchill presented homself perfectly. He thinks like Chomsky, and stupid bitches like Zahn need to learn the difference between "reasons" and "justification". There's a distinction and he pointed it out although Zahn didn't listen b/c she was too wrapped up in her own ego.

And Ward can say whatever the hell he likes being as how he is Indigenous to this nation and served the US in Viet Nam. Talk about perspective.

[Niccolo_Macchiavelli]

5. He's not that far off...

All Taxpaying citizen of an aggreessor nation are legitimate targets. Send your bullies with clusterbombs, m16 and hummers to devastate our country and we will send you ours with uzis, kalashnikovs and ieds.

Stop paying tax, emigrate or be part of the guilt.

Edit: When laws become wrong, resistance becomes right. Ey and draft is also coerced like tax


i just follow orders i have no guilt ....BLAH BLAH BLAH!

[FreedomAngel82]

7. Funny how they love

to tell people to leave who don't agree with them. If they love the whole Iraq thing you should tell them to go fight in it.

[NGU]

12. That is exactly what I said!

He said that I missed the point. He went on about his earlier points only work if you believe Churchill is right which he didn't. He then went on about how no targets on 9-11 could have been legitimate military targets since we weren't at war and that the terrorists weren't a true military army. Thankfully, my pager went off so I got out of there before I said something inappropriate.

[The Minus World]

9. Warding off Ward

Of course, "Why don't you just leave, then?" will eternally be the pre-eminent solution that most Republicans prescribe to a political opponent who shows little enthusiasm for their country's behaviour.

Your right-wing cube-mate focused much more on his own personal outrage over Mr. Churchill's comments, rather than the fundamental seed of reason within them:

It is only common sense to assume that, rather than perceiving us as average workaday citizens who would never deign harm a living human being, other countries perceive Americans as being slovenly, intellectually lazy, and fatally uninformed about their government's misdeeds; therefore, we play an instrumental role in enabling such corruption to exist.

Your co-worker was right in assuming the greyness of the elephant in the room: that we've earned the ire of our global neighbours. However, he was likely more focused on the outrage and frustration which often consumes a small mind when it attempts to grasp the big picture.

Should innocent citizens be the targets of terrorist attacks? No, of course not. Is it likely that even the saintliest among us are not perceived as "innocent citizens" by a large portion of those who refuse share sympathies with the Western Imperialists we've elected to represent us? Sure. Will there be irrational zealots within that group, who might see fit to convey a political message through the taking of human lives they deem corrupt? Well, yes. We see that on the news almost every night.

Following that simple thread of logic, I don't see any error, even with Ward's more controversial statements.

The words of Churchill are spoken by a man who has detached himself from the emotional interference evoked when matters of life and death are discussed; he views geopolitics in purely utilitarian terms, and it may be offensive to some.

[Peak_Oil]

10. Churchill != Chomsky

Even Chomsky doesn't call the 9-11 attacks justified. He acknowledges that the 9-11 attacks are terrorism.

Legitimate military attacks are attacks with a military purpose. According to many definitions of terrorism, terrorism is the use of violence to further political ends.

An example of a military attack would be blowing up a bridge or a power plant, taking out an ammunition dump, destroying sewage infrastructure, taking out communications equipment, train tracks, etc.

Not blowing up a friggin office building. I can't believe you guys are being suckered into thinking that blowing up civilian office buildings is legitimate in any way.

It's not legitimate when the US military does it, and it's not legitimate when someone else does it to us.

It was not a legitimate military attack when the US firebombed major cities all over Japan. That was just slaughtering civilians. Because it was US, and we WON, we weren't prosecuted for it, but it wasn't legitimate.