Bush Is Assured a Second Term Unless ...

[bobd]

any two of the following occurs

1. A viable 3rd party candidate emerges;
2. A 'thug mounts a credible challenge to the ijit in the primaries;
3. The economic woes continue or increase in intensity;
4. The Dems nominate a charismatic or national hero candidate;
5. Widespread 1968 style unrest;
6. Bush dropping out of the race altogether.

Points one and two above can be triggered by points # 3 and/or #5, another terrorist attack on US soil or directly affecting US interests, or some other event that stirs up the sheeple.

My own view is that despite the current falling poll number the ijit has a > 80% chance of winning. The sheeple have finally and fully become just that - sheeple. They are too scared to pull the lever for an unknown quantity UNLESS the majority of them are personally and directly affected in a negative way which has not yet happened.

The larger, darker question is this: What will happen in 2004-2008 to the country? How will the sheep react when it finally becomes clear that the cabal could give a shit about them and their concerns? Make no mistake about it - if the cabal regains power in 2004 monumentally BAD things, worse things than now, will happen.

Sorry for the wet blanket here, but I really think we have to ready ourselves for the worst times we've seen in generations. Come 2008 things could be unfathomably worse than we can imagine. At this point what magic words are left to be said that will open the eyes in the barnyard? I fear we're now at the mercy of events for relief and events ain't gonna be kind.

[JHB]

1. Fer Cryn' out loud, the only thing he's "assured" of...

...is a lifetime of "speaking" engagements.

I wish you happiness in your continued career of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, and otherwise giving up without a fight.

[Hawkeye-X]

2. Other than hardcore Repukes...

who would pay to listen to a Chimp that should be waiting in the Hague for his war crimes?

Hawkeye-X

[Cocoa]

8. lol

that's what I'm looking forward to, Bush's ex-presidency. I'd love to see anyone ask "what does ex-President Bush think," about anything, with a straight face. :-)

[Prodemsouth]

10. Thanks, I am tired of these Defeatist Elitist, I wish they would become

Republicans. What attracts such people to left of center politics? They do damage not only to the Democratic party- but hurt all progressives or anyone left of center.

[bobd]

13. You're more than welcome to address your remarks to me

I may well be defeatist (for good reason in my view) but I am in no way a repub!

Just because I happen to disagree with the current viewpoint on this board does not make me a bad person, or somehow deserving of derision. I come to my viewpoint based on my observation of events and interpret them as I'm able. I hope to god I'm wrong and if I am I'll be more than willing to be publically humiliated and excoriated, even kicked repeatedly in the groin (that pain would be far less than enduring another 4 years of the cabal).

Jeesh - let me have my viewpoint for christs sake. Disagree all you want but please base your disagreement on my arguments and viewpoint not on calling me a repub.

[Prodemsouth]

14. I didn't say you were a Repug. I said I wish you and those like you

would consider joining the Republican party.
Why?
Since the end of the Vietnam war left of center politics (esp. US) has been infested with people I refer to as defeatist elitist.
Their answer to everything is to throw their hands up in the air? They want to be proved correct on their broader point which is the US is a hopeless case. They are the only ones on the left that could really be accused on being anti-American. You are posting your comments at a time when Bush has never looked worse. This makes me think your motivation is to discourage. But, I did not say that you had no right to post here or express your opinion, I am in no position to do that. I was expressing my support to another poster who challanged your ideas. I was glad to see his/her challange, because no one challanged these kinds of remarks in left publications/sites in the past. That is changing for the better. More progressive people are getting fed up with the doom and gloom crowd.

[bobd]

20. Scum like me?

Why would I join the rethug party when I have absolutely nothing in common with their view of the country and the world? Just because I happen to see events favoring Bush's re-election does not mean I will vote for him or any rethug - EVER!

I am a leftist through and through. When it comes right down to the nubs I'm probably a socialst (not a communist - a socialist).

One of the great things about DU is that those of us pathetic losers are free to express our pessimism. Sometimes that pessimism is well founded. I feel that my pessimism is, as of this point in time, well founded. That may well change. When it does you'll be the first to know.

So .. please allow us worthless scum pessimists to, hat in hand, post the occasional nay-saying, post. The fact that we do occasionally post doesn't mean that we should be relegated to the ranks of the rethugs.

I know I'm a bad person - I struggle with it every day.

[Prodemsouth]

24. Scum?? didn't say that, didn't say you were a bad person

Why are you accusing me of saying such stuff. I do think you are wrong. You have not addressed the charge I did make; The purpose of a defeatist elitist is to discourage. It is no surprise to me you are a socialist, most defeatist are socialist, which is why they stand in the way of progressive change. NOT ALL SOCIALIST stand in the way of progressive reform just those that are also defeatist. They want everything to become so bad people will turn to them, (that will never ever ever happen but that is a whole thread by itself). Some of FDRs biggest foes were socialist. I am making the charge that breeding discoragement is bad. If we were only facing a standard run of the mill but plays fair conservative I would have ignored this thread. Again, I am not saying you don't have a right to say what you want to say. I also have a right to say your "pessimism" is off track. Expect more people to challange your "pessimism"... Sorry..no I am not, it is a good thing.

[arwalden]

35. When You Say "Speaking"... You Mean "Reading", Right?

He's definitely NOT a speaker who has insights well-thought out opinions of his own to share.

[Andy_Stephenson]

36. Think Diebold....

or haven't you heard...the machines are rigged.

[Fenris]

3. Well, just keep in mind Bush Sr. was assured a second term

And look how that turned out. And he actually won his war (to a degree)! In and out of Kuwait quicker than shit through a goose*. No one is assured reelection. One can have an advantage in poll numbers and popularity, but no one is assured anything.

*With apologies to Dean Vernon Wormer of Faber College.

[CentristDemocrat]

38. Ross Perot (nm)

[gWbush is Mabus]

4. i agree

a second term in office would allow bush pnac to do things without accountability.

ie: pardon Kenny-boy
give trillions to Halliburton
eliminate Social security and medicare
Supreme Court justice appointments


etc.

[el_gato]

5. i think things are gonna look ugly for *

nothing has improved and everything is continually getting worse
on top of that the left and other forms of opposition outside
of the political parties, i.e. independent media, citizen groups, etc. is getting stronger and more organized.

[Cocoa]

6. you forgot about the voting machines

that's an integral element of the "there's no hope" argument. :eyes:

[Lauren2882]

7. 80% chance of winning?

Dude, you gotta cut back on the Fox News.

[FlashHarry]

9. You mean a viable conservative 3rd party candidate.

An honest omission, I understand. You, of course, realize that a progressive 3rd party candidate would siphon off votes from the Democratic challenger, leaving Bush in office. That is, unless the candidate in question was so 'viable' that he or she could actually gain a greater percentage of the vote than either party's candidate––something that can't happen.

[piece sine]

11. Sheeple?

That term was coined by Michael Savage andI say, let the wing-nuts have it! Step one in winning an election: respect the voter. Step one to being a real Democrat: respect all other citizens. Odd for a populist-based website not to recoil at calling othe human beings "sheeple." I think you heart is SET on losing this election.

[rucky]

27. Thank You!

...that word always strikes a nerve with me.

[JHB]

33. It was coined well before the Savage Weiner...

...by a couple of decades, but it still grew out of the right-wing tough-guy types that today make up his audience.

[FlashHarry]

12. ...unless more people vote for his opponent?

Oh, wait. Never mind. :hi:

[Old and In the Way]

15. Which of the 1/2 million more Democrats are going to change their

votes?

How many of those that voted for Bush the 1st time will either not vote, vote 3rd party, or even vote Democrat?

No, I'm not worried about a Democrat winning.....as long as we can assure that the votes made are the votes counted.

[Mz Pip]

16. Disagree about #5

THe widespread unrest of 1968 probably helped elect Nixon. THe last thing middle Americans want to see is unrest in the streets. It scares them and makes them run in the ooposite direction. Sad but true.

THat said, I don't think Bush has a lock on 2004. We'll still be in Iraq and it will get messier and messier. Maybe the economy will recover a bit but not enough to put everyone back to work. The deficit will rise. Whoever runs against Bush will have to bring all these issues home and offer a psitive alternative. Just harping about how bad Bush is won't get the job done.

MzPip
:dem:

[Clete]

17. Aren't you just a little bundle of optimism.

IMHO the only way Shrubya will get another term is if there is another compromised election.

[bobd]

21. A bundle of Optimism?

Hardly. Studies have shown that those with pessimistic viewpoints are inherently bad people. Accordingly, I fully embrace my worthless, pathetic, scum-ness. Having so embraced it I hope that such self-realization is sufficient license to continue posting pessimistic viewpoints. I feel such viewpoints are, in fact, warrented. You are, of course, under no obligation to be affected by them. They contain no magic spells that will cause Bush to win. Moreover, simply reading them will do no harm, as far as I know.

When you do read them, simply keep in mind that they found their genesis in a in the addled brain of a worthless human being and that should nullify any power that may be lurking within the syllables.

[Upfront]

18. Respectfully Disagree

I live in a strong Republic area, and I am convinced people are starting to get it. Call me crazy, but I think we will take back congress and the Whitehouse. Editors of the rethug local paper have wrote several anti * editorials in the last six mounths. I have lived hear 60 years and that is almost the only time they came out against a rethug president. I could go on and on, but if we work very hard to inform our base, and get them to vote we will win big!

[Q]

19. Thanks for this topic...

...too many Dems are depending on pure luck or karma to get the Bushies out of the WH. Others expect a Democratic Knight in Shining Armour to save the day.

- We should never forget the past. History shows us that it's possible for someone to become president of the US without qualifications and against the will of the people.

- Don't listen to those who tell you that you're being 'negative'. I and many others believe it can happen again...especially since the Neocons have the backing of the media, mega-corporations and yes...even the Supreme Court.

[John_H]

22. Nice try. Next.

You were under the radar screen for a while, pardner. But fear got the better of you.

[bobd]

23. Excuse me?

What exactly do you mean? Under the radar screen? Please enlighten me.

[TheBigGuy]

25. Have you been reading "13 Keys to the White House"

....this sounds a bit like the theory in that book.

[bobd]

26. Yeah I have

I'm basing my "pessimism" on that theory which I've seen work the last two elections.

[TheBigGuy]

28. It is a pretty good predictor, from what I was able to tell

Our local newspaper used to do articles on it, and ive read about here at DU too.

[Nobody]

29. What are you doing to prevent it?

Will you volunteer or donate to a non-Bush campaign so that the Idiot in Thief doesn't steal another term?

Going all defeatist only helps the other side. Do something constructive and tell everyone you know that there's no way in hell Bush is ever going to win in 2004. If people are going to jump on a bandwagon, make sure it's YOUR bandwagon.

I've been telling my defeatist friends the same thing. That there's NO WAY IN HELL that Bush is ever going to win. I'll repeat it ad nauseum until even hard core Republicans believe me.

[Q]

30. Why is it 'defeatist' to look at all the options?

- Dems need to get their head out of the sand long enough to realize that politics as usual won't get this fascist regime out of our WH.

- Allow me to repeat: Bush* wasn't elected. That is...he didn't 'win'...yet he was still able to become president*. The biggest mistake the Dem party could make is believing that 2000 was a fluke.

[regnaD kciN]

31. You left out a #7...

7. The Iraq situation continues to deteriorate.

As I see it, #3 and #7 are a certainty, which (IMHO) meets the "two out of the list" qualification. I'd drop Whistleass's chances for (re-)election at somewhere in the low sixties -- still more likely than not, but quite overcomeable.

[bobd]

32. A deteriorating Iraq ....

would precipitate a 3rd party challenge and/or a challenge from within the 'thug party. Either one would help our chances.

[Speed8098]

34. As soon as * stands up for the debates

He is toast.



There is no way in the world * can defend the raping of America under his watch.

It doesn't matter who the Democratic nominee is. If he/she has 1/2 a brain, he/she will be able to show the people just how inept this idiot is as a pResident.
Personally I can't wait to see the chimp go down in flames.

[Wednesdays]

37. Bush Is Assured a Second Term Unless ...

#7: We all get off our asses and do something about it.