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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:26 AM
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Little able-bodied creeps piss me off
I am referring to the college campus Conservatives that just LOVE Bush, and despise Liberals.

Why aren't these snots in uniform??? They want to enjoy their campus life, drive their parent sponsered SUVs with their Bush/Cheney stickers on them, talk on their freaking cell phones...and let older people go to Iraq-

I swear to God, there are times when I long for the draft...even though I know damned good and well that the little bastards I can't stand are going to be the first to have their parents find ways out for them.

My biggest fear is that if they are this damned bad at 18-24 years old; what kind of creepy adults is this country getting ready to have to deal with? Kids that have never had to suffer the consequences of their actions, nor had to truly stand up for what they believe.

When I think about that--then I think about moving out of the country.
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chicagojoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:28 AM
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1. Don't worry. They'll be "re-educated"
after the revolution.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:29 AM
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2. Yep
Edited on Sat Feb-05-05 11:30 AM by ZombyWoof
I am with you. There this young guy at work, strapping muscles, jock-type, early 20's, completely enamored of the Bush regime and its macho war-mongering postures. I need to ask him why he won't enlist and go kick some ass for Amerikkka.
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:31 AM
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3. Hey, I even volunteered to teach one of them to shoot a
real rifle....He just sat there and glared at me as if I didn't get it.

This country is going to pay for raising a generation of "Little Princes and Princesses."

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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:57 AM
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9. "This country is going to pay for raising a generation of .........
..... "Little Princes and Princesses."

We already have a great deal of experience in this regard:



Cause and effect
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:32 AM
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4. Where have all the college liberals gone?
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:35 AM
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5. I hear ya!
I let my rabid right-wing cousin's son-in-law have it with both barrels over Christmas. He was very condescendingly talking to my other (left-wing) cousin's 15 year old daughter about how we had to invade Iraq to protect us from the terrorists. yeah, like whatever.

So, I said "If you support the war so much, why aren't you in Baghdad?" He smirked & said "I'm overweight, they wouldn't take me."

"So," I said, "You don't think it's your patriotic duty to get off of your FAT ASS and WORK OUT so you CAN ENLIST & LET SOME POOR SCHLUB WHO'S BEEN THERE FOR TWO YEARS COME HOME & SEE HIS FAMILY?????" :nuke:


dg
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:37 AM
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6. you and me both friend
These little whiny, phony bastards have made me crazy for a while now. What bothers me is the way they have managed to organize themselves and give their group false credibilty on my local campus.

They're bullies. Every last one of them. They whine and complain their way to a college degree, bullying professors along the path. They're lazy and don't want to do the work that is required of them and they use their political opinions as a crutch to get the grades that they think they "deserve". Bastards, bloody bastards every last one.

The minute their point of view is challenged in the classroom, they cry 'victim' and run to the administration or threaten legal action in the college newspaper.

They make me want to break something.

:nuke:
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:39 AM
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7. The Video Game Culture
Sorry for the broad-brush, not intended, but this was how one of my daughter's friends explained it to me. A lot of kids have grown up in a world where war and death are cool...it's a game they grew up with on TV (especially those who saw Gulf Oil War I) and then got into the games/competitions. War is good, war is fun and our side is in "god mode"...invincible. That's until they are shipped off to Baghdad.

I see a generation that hasn't had a first-hand relationship with war or had to endure a lot of the economic hardships past generations have. They have always been catered and manipulated by a corporate world that molds their lives through constant consumption and encouragement of self-absorbtion. It's a badge of honor to know nothing about other culutures and to feel superior; as that's what's been the norm for most of their lives.

As one who grew up with Vietnam hanging over my head...and one who marched and lived the times, I'm still not seeing a real concern by a lot of college kids. Our campuses are still more excited by a football game than they may be ground zero for future Iraqi IED fodder. The war is someone elses to fight, feel and die in...it hasn't gotten close enough to home.

My son will turn 18 this fall and we're watching this situation very, very carefully. I see many others who are concerned as well, but not energized or emboldened to act. They fear rockin' the boat or they'll get kicked out of school or lose their grants or get their parents pissed. Honestly I don't know what it will take other than a draft to really wake up a lot of people.
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:28 PM
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10. This is Michael's argument too
The video game culture.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:50 AM
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8. On a positive note, this gives us total permission to IGNORE...
... every point these little creeps try to make.

"You support this war? You're able to serve? Well then why aren't you there?"

Until they can answer that, EVERYTHING they say is moot. Take this opportunity to rub their snotty little noses in this simple fact.

"Sign up and serve, and your opinion will matter. 'Sideline superheroes' can just shut the fuck up."

Take no prisoners, make no compromises. Tell 'em to sign up or shut up.
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Rockerdem Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 01:00 PM
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11. This generation annoys me. Where are the activists??
Their futures are more impacted by Bushiite threats than my older crowds are. Both in terms of freedom and social security. Too many hours in front of an Xbox has dulled them.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 01:11 PM
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12. Those people are rats.
Their day is coming and they will be dealt with.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 01:12 PM
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They believe there destiny is to dwell among the new aristocracy that Bush
and his policies have created for their kind.

Working class stiffs and those not born into well-connected families have to bear the burden of serving them and theirs. Additionally, these lower class "unter munchen" must provide security and fight the wars for them.

This is now the state of our union. Reagan's "Shining city on a hill" was meant for them to dwell in.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 01:12 PM
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13. you might enjoy this editorial
http://www.nwanews.com/story.php?paper=adg§ion=Editorial&storyid=106762


Fully automatic banana cream pies locked, loaded
Gene Lyons

Posted on Wednesday, February 2, 2005

I swear if I hear one more twentysomething in a power suit smugly
assure a TV interviewer how much better they can handle their money
than (snicker) Social Security, things could get ugly. Lately, I've
been fantasizing about storming a Starbucks armed with fully automatic
banana cream pies. "Eat this, yuppie scum!" Listening to these Young
Republicans is like hearing your 18-year-old tell you he doesn't need
a seat belt because his reflexes are so superior he couldn't possibly
have an accident. I recently saw some puppy on CBS News boasting about
his investment acumen. I couldn't tell if he was another ringer like
last month's CBS poster child for Social Security "reform." They
softpedaled the fact that Tad DeHaven, who opined that he'd never see
a dime due to Social Security's inevitable collapse, works for the
National Taxpayers Union, a tycoon-funded Washington think tank
devoted to the premise that government benefit checks ruin the
character of the roughly 50 percent of old-timers with no other
income. Mr. Confident Investor was 27. I couldn't help noticing that
he looked like the "before" half of a Hair Club for Men commercial.

Which has nothing to do with anything, except that I doubt premature
baldness was part of his life plan. But get rear-ended on the freeway
and end up paralyzed? Have a stroke or disabling heart attack? A child
with cerebral palsy? Work for a company that crashes, voiding his
stock options? Lose his 401 (k) in the next Enron or WorldCom fiasco?
Not him, no way. He's a winner. Social Security's for losers.

Look, punk, it's an insurance policy, not an IRA. But there's a reason
we're seeing all these boy-in-the-street interviews, and it's not
simply polls showing that high percentages of young people believe
that Social Security is doomed. (Some also show that only 26 percent
of Americans 18 to 34 read newspapers, which explains a lot.)
Presenting opinions instead of facts makes it easier to avoid
mentioning that President Bush's campaign to "privatize" the most
successful government program in U.S. history is based entirely upon
shameless falsehoods.

Whoops, I've used obsolete terminology. "Privatize" was last year's
buzzword. Apparently because it worried voters that Republicans were
fixing to give Social Security a ride on a Wall Street roulette wheel,
the mandatory new phrase is "personal accounts." Bush recently scolded
Washington Post reporters for using the forbidden word, only to have
them show that he himself touted "privatization" just months ago.

..more..
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:57 PM
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18. That was great
Thanks
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 01:17 PM
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14. ABC's Assist to Campus Conservatives:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3052948

FAIR-L
Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting
Media analysis, critiques and activism

ACTION ALERT:
ABC's Assist to Campus Conservatives:
Were censorship stories too good to check?

February 3, 2005

On February 1, ABC's World News Tonight offered an uncritical platform to
conservatives who complain that their free speech is being curtailed on
college campuses across the country.

ABC anchor Charles Gibson introduced the segment by saying that
conservatives "claim they are victims of a double standard on college
campuses," and seemed to boost that notion by saying, "There certainly is
evidence to suggest that colleges are bastions of liberal thinking.
Seventy-two percent of faculty members in one survey identified themselves
as left of center."

ABC correspondent Dan Harris ran down a series of examples to back up this
storyline, beginning with a community college that wouldn't allow a
screening of the movie "Passion of the Christ" because it had an R rating.
Harris went next to a soundbite from David French of the Foundation for
Individual Rights in Education: "You're going to get more political and
intellectual diversity at your average suburban mega-church than you are
at an elite university." Harris prefaced that statement by calling
French's group "non-partisan," seemingly an attempt to make an obviously
ideological soundbite seem less so.

Harris then moved on to Columbia University, "where Jewish students
complain about harassment from pro-Palestinian professors." ABC included
a clip from a documentary that makes a series of claims about allegedly
anti-Israel professors, but made no attempt to balance that with a source
who might challenge the arguments advanced in the documentary. The New
York Civil Liberties Union, for example, has concluded that "the major
academic-freedom problem arising out of the current Columbia controversy
is that a film produced by a Boston-based advocacy group has provoked
public officials and others to demand the punishment of certain identified
Columbia professors based largely on the ideological positions that these
professors have advanced in their writings and lectures." (NYCLU letter to
Village Voice, 2/2/05)

In a segment purportedly about free speech threats, ABC might have noted
these issues, which include death threats against pro-Palestinian
professors and the cancellation of at least one class because the teacher
thought its criticisms of Israel might be too controversial. That
Columbia instructor, Joseph Massad, has also publicly challenged the
accuracy of charges made against him in the documentary. Including these
aspects would have complicated the simple story ABC seemed to want to
tell, however.

Harris also cited another case popular on right-wing websites: As he put
it, this one happened at "Foothills College, where this freshman says he
was told to get psychotherapy after refusing to write an essay criticizing
the U.S. Constitution." The student, Ahmad Al-Qloushi, then appeared on
ABC and said, "I was attacked and intimidated because I love America."

ABC apparently felt no need to check Al-Qloushi's claim-- an unusual
journalistic decision, given that he is making a serious charge against a
specific instructor. The network might have at least discovered that the
name of the college is Foothill Junior College, not Foothills, as it is
called on many right-wing websites that have taken up Al-Qloushi's cause.
ABC might also have done well to examine Al-Qloushi's essay, which is
available on the Internet (he did not "refuse to write" it, as Harris
mistakenly reports). The essay is unresponsive to the assignment-- an
examination of a book which argues that the U.S. Constitution reflected
the elite interests of those who wrote it. Even conservative blogger
James Joyner (Outside the Beltway, 1/16/05), after reviewing Al-Qloushi's
work, called it "an incredibly poorly written, error-ridden,
pabulum-filled essay that essentially ignores the question put forth by
the instructor." "I'd have given the exam a failing grade, too," wrote
Joyner, who edits the journal Strategic Insights at the Naval Postgraduate
School.

It appeared that an attempt to balance these perspectives would come from
former university president Robert O'Neil. Harris reported that O'Neil
"says conservative students may be trying to protect themselves from ideas
they don't like." But O'Neil's soundbite fed ABC's storyline: "I think
there's a sense that, well, liberals have had their way and they've
advanced their views for quite some time. There should be balance."

Actually, "balance" is not a major principle in academia, where professors
are supposed to be chosen for the excellence of their scholarship, not for
their ideological views. But it is a professed value of journalism, which
makes this an odd comment by Harris:

"Many academics say conservatives are blowing a few isolated incidents way
out of proportion in order to launch a McCarthyesque witch hunt, which is
designed to intimidate professors, limit academic freedom and promote a
sort of affirmative action for conservative professors."

If "many academics" are saying this, why weren't they included in the
report, rather than being paraphrased by the correspondent? If ABC did
not want to give the professors attacked a chance to respond, the network
was at least obligated to check the accuracy of the stories the students
were telling-- and note that the full story was more complicated.


ACTION: Contact ABC and ask them why their report on conservative
complaints about free speech infringement did not evaluate the validity of
those complaints, and did not offer any experts who might challenge those
claims.

CONTACT:
ABC World News Tonight
Phone: 212-456-4040
mailto:PeterJennings@abcnews.com

As always, please remember that your comments have more impact if you
maintain a polite tone. Please cc fair@fair.org with your correspondence.

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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 02:10 PM
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15. kick
:kick:
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DemGirl7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:36 PM
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16. yeah...these people are ANNOYING....
Even through my college campus is VERY Liberal, there are a few of them slimeing their way around my campus, and the most disturbing thing about this is that they have now formed a College Republican Group on campus...while there is no College Democrat group on the campus.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:42 PM
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17. If it's known where they are hanging out,
maybe someone should tip off the recruiters that there is fresh meat out there who luv what Boosh and the war against terrorism are about.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:55 PM
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19. I had what could have been a flame war with a freepoid on
someone's blog the other day, and this typically illogical, ranting anger junkie was going on and on about how Bush was great and Iraq had been liberated and the liberals never wanted to liberate anybody yadda yadda yadda, so I asked him when he was going to enlist and go to Iraq.

You know what his answer was?

"I could ask you and Michael Moore when you're going to enlist in the Peace Corps."

As Tony Soprano would say, "Whadda ya gonna do?"

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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 12:12 AM
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21. Snappy comeback; but the correct response is that
while I would love to enlist in the Peace Corp, my not doing so right now is not helping to bring someone else home to see their family. My not enlisting in the Peace Corp has nothing to do with the fact that these little warmongers are so willing to send people to their deaths.

Snappy bullshit conservative banter means nothing to me.

Stephanie
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zmdem Donating Member (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:59 PM
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20. As you describe them, they sound a lot like
their liberal college campus brethren.

As to moving out of the country, good luck. Please also consider that you might want to renounce your citizenship. Anything else would seem a bit weak, shall we say ?
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 12:15 AM
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22. I would renouce my citizenship in a minute if I chose to move
btw...I am the original poster, on my husbands name...don't want to confuse you.

You know what being an American Citizen has gotten me? A very expensive education, horribly expensive insurance, mediocre healthcare, and putting up with a bunch of jackasses I wish I had never met. Wars fought in the name of "my" country, and the embarrassment of thinking back to being a kid (during the sixties) and thinking of hating Russians and saying that mindless Pledge of Allegiance.

Gee, can you imagine giving all that up?

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zmdem Donating Member (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 12:18 AM
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23. I wouldn't give it up
but you seem to want to, and there is no reason why you shouldn't.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 12:22 AM
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24. There are several reasons why I shouldn't
Mom, Dad, other family members.

They are the ONLY reasons I am staying.

You? You seem to like it here. May I ask why, other than the gorgeous scenery?

Are you proud of the atrocities committed by this country?
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zmdem Donating Member (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 01:27 AM
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28. Family is more important than country
Your reason for staying is right.

Yes, I do like it here. On the otherhand England, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand would be just fine too, (I mention them because I can speak the lingo).

Why am I proud to be an American ? A lot of reasons probably. Some rational, some emotional, some just because I'm used to it. Like you, family is important. My father is 77 years old, I'd have a hard time even moving out of state, much less over seas.

Aside from that America is a great country, founded on great principles. Sometimes we fail to live up to those lofty ideals, in fact often we do. Still, we strive to be better and further, I can't think of another country that has done better.

As to atrocities, no I am not proud. I am not proud of slavery either, yet I greatly admire both Th. Jefferson and James Madison.

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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 01:01 AM
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27. So, liberal college students have * /Cheney stickers on their SUVs?
What college is this, pray tell???????
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 12:42 AM
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25. It's not just the young ones...
...they can ALL head over now.

The "able-bodied" are certainly free to head to their local military recruitment office and back their words up with action.

And the older versions can do something similar. Since all those private contractors are being used so extensively in this war, guys as old as "middle-aged" can head down to Brown & Root, or any of the other private industries, and sign up to drive trucks or whatever in Iraq. They'll certainly take them up on the offer.

And with things heating up in regards to Iran, looks like the demand for workers isn't about to slow down anytime now.

In fact, maybe it would be a good idea to head down to the local Halliburton subsidiary and pick up an application, then make about 50 copies and keep them with you at all times. Whenever a conservative starts his ranting, you can just politely hand it to them and tell them to "help spread freedom."
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 12:44 AM
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26. draft em
I signed up for my local draft board.

cant wait to send those little pricks to iraq, iran and wherever fuckwad ** invades next...
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