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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 02:08 PM
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Edited on Sat Feb-05-05 02:21 PM by norml
Tell the people to do a web search on the name of any Country that's tried it, along with the words, "social security privatization". They will then be able to read for themselves what a disaster it's been. The Right Wing Media Whores tout Chile, with numbers that end in 1996. If you can get people to look up the reality of the situation in Chile today, you've won the argument on this issue. Some Bush Bot called into the local AM Talk, and said "Under Brazil's private plan people get five times as much as under Social Security in the US." But if you do a search on, "brazil social security privatization" you see instantly what a lie that is. By the way, those touting "The Galveston Plan" do not mention that it has higher payroll taxes than Social Security, no cost of living adjustment, does not cover dependents, and they use numbers ending in 1999 to get the highest numbers possible. However, putting the lie to The Galveston Plan isn't as simple as a simple web search. Just remember, web search(country social security privatization).

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=argentina+social+security+privatization&btnG=Google+Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=brazil+social+security+privatization&btnG=Google+Search http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=britain+social+security+privatization&btnG=Search http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=sweden+social+security+privatization&btnG=Search http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=chile+social+security+privatization&btnG=Google+Search
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 02:14 PM
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1. What about this argument
Say that private accounts are an ok idea on top of social security. I mean clearly this is a risk, why risk social security on it? Let's do it on the side if this is such a great idea -- a pilot program.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 04:42 PM
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2. I think it's a good counter argument, to offer Private Accounts on top of
Social Security. It should never take away from Social Security.
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ThorsHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:17 PM
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4. I like that idea
Keep the base amount as a safety net, with the possibility of having higher returns on the extra money.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:14 PM
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3. argentina social security privatization
The Role of Social Security Privatization in Argentina
The Role of Social Security Privatization in Argentina's Economic Crisis.
By Dean Baker and Mark Weisbrot <1>. April 16, 2002. In July ...
www.cepr.net/argentina_and_ss_privatization.htm - 48k - Cached - Similar pages

THE ROLE OF SOCIAL SECURITY PRIVATIZATION IN ARGENTINA’S ...
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CRISIS By Dean Baker and Mark Weisbrot 1 April 16, 2002 ...
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Social Security Privatization: Experiences Abroad
... Chile, the United Kingdom, Australia, Mexico, and Argentina. ... six aspects of the
privatization efforts that may have relevance for the Social Security debate in ...
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Testimony on Social Security Privatization: Experiences Abroad
... saving are probably less in Mexico and Argentina than in Chile ... 1. See Congressional
Budget Office, Social Security Privatization: Experiences Abroad, CBO Paper ...
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edwardpig: Social Security: Lessons From Argentina
... Of course there were many causes for the meltdown, but one of the main triggers
was Argentina's Social Security privatization. According ...
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NCPA Social Security Issues
Social Security Issues. Social Security Privatization In Argentina. Among
the revolutionary reforms in Argentina in recent years is ...
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Looting of Nations by Pension Privatization
... The partial privatization of Argentina's Social Security system in 1994 was a major
contributing factor in the explosive debt crisis, default, and economic ...
www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/site_packages/ ss_privatization/050115memo_experiments.html - 18k - Cached - Similar pages

The Tony Show: Social Security
... The Role of Social Security Privatization in Argentina's Economic Crisis.
By Dean Baker and Mark Weisbrot <1>. April 16, 2002. In July ...
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Social Security Bulletin: Social Security Privatization in Latin ...
... Argentina has a mixed public/private system with ... face financial problems with social
security, many have ... possibility of introducing some form of privatization. ...
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Argentina Abandons Partial Privatization; To Go All the Way ...
... Six years after adopting partial Social Security privatization, Argentina's
center-left President Fernando de la Rua has announced the total replacement of ...
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