Did Rumsfeld really assert, the U.S. didn't kill enough Sunnits?

[Dirk39]

A german newspaper, which is very credible most of the times, reported a few days ago, Rumsfeld would have said in a CNN-interview:

"In einem Interview mit dem US-Nachrichtensender CNN sagte Rumsfeld (...).


Der Pentagon-Chef gestand ein, den Aufstand in den Sunniten-Gebieten Iraks unterschätzt zu haben. Bei der US-Invasion seien eine "unzureichende Zahl" von Sunniten getötet worden, sagte er. Die Sunniten hätten so nie die Militärkraft der USA zu spüren bekommen."

http://www.frankfurter-rundschau.de/fr_home/startseite/?sid=55548155bffdf9b9573eef10cf9de091&cnt=627472


I try a translation:
The pentagon-chief admited to have underestimated the insurgent within the territories of the sunnites. During the US-invasion, an "insufficient" number of sunnites were killed, according to Rumsfeld. The Sunnites were never exposed to to real military power of the USA.

Is there a source for that CNN-Interviwe. I used the search function for Rumsfeld and Sunnites but I didn't get a result???


Hello from Germany,
Dirk

[lebkuchen]

1. Hallo, Dirk! Hallo!

Ein schönes Fasching! :party: :party: :party:

I have not read your German report in the US press at all. Thanks for your translation. I really appreciate your reports, past and future reports. My German is terrible.

[Dirk39]

10. Hallo!

But where did you get this name? Are you of german origin just like Rumsfeld?
The source seems to be a CNN-interview, but I'm really a bit confused, 'cause I can't find any other source?
I did write them to ask for a reliable source!

Greetings from Hamburg - there's no Fasching in the north of Germany, we're more reserved:-)
Dirk

[lebkuchen]

15. Yes to the first question

and greetings from Bavaria!

Please do post any information you get about whether the source was reliable or not. Again, I appreciate your translations based on what you are reading in the German papers. You're a valuable resource!

[whistle]

2. Rumsfeld thinks the only good Iraqi is a dead Iraqi!

[Dhalgren]

3. Try "rumsfeld sunni". "Sunnite" isn't used in English.

:hi:

[prairierose]

4. Dirk , try searcing for Sunni instead of sunnite, that is the

deustche worte.

Thanks for bringing this here. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he said something like this.

[paineinthearse]

5. Try this.

http://www.wortschatz.uni-leipzig.de/wort-des-tages/2005/02/05/Sunniten.html

It lead to this

http://www.fr-aktuell.de/ressorts/nachrichten_und_politik/nachrichten/?sid=4a63c45ab885993810ebb31df87aed94&cnt=627472

US-Verteidigungsminister Donald Rumsfeld hat nach eigenen Angaben im Zuge des Folterskandals von Abu Ghraib zwei Mal seinen Rücktritt eingereicht. Präsident George W. Bush habe dies aber abgelehnt.

In einem Interview mit dem US-Nachrichtensender CNN sagte Rumsfeld, er habe aber nichts zu bereuen: "Was im Abu-Ghraib-Gefängnis am anderen Ende der Welt in der Nachtschicht vor sich ging, ist etwas, mit dem sich jemand in Washington natürlich nicht beschäftigen kann", sagte er.

Der Pentagon-Chef gestand ein, den Aufstand in den Sunniten-Gebieten Iraks unterschätzt zu haben. Bei der US-Invasion seien eine "unzureichende Zahl" von Sunniten getötet worden, sagte er. Die Sunniten hätten so nie die Militärkraft der USA zu spüren bekommen.

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Try your hand. I used Google advanced search, entered a string of words from your story (that surrounded "unzureichende Zahl") and set the search for German only.

[ornotna]

6. Maybe you're thinking of the "Salvador option"

---snip--- It would draw on the Shias' and Kurds' battle-hardened guerrilla units, which once fought Saddam Hussein's regime.

The option is apparently inspired by memories of the Reagan-era fight against Left-wing rebels in El Salvador, which was won with the help of US-trained "death squads". They killed not only guerrillas, but also many civilians believed to be offering them support.

One military source said: "The Sunni population is paying no price for the support it is giving to the terrorists. From their point of view, it is cost-free. We have to change that equation."


http://www.lebanonwire.com/0501/051003TGR.asp

[Cell Whitman]

7. * said the same thing in the first debate.

It was when * admitted he made a "miscalculation"...

He said there wasn't enough killing. He said his only fuck up was that he didn't plan for the war to go so well resulting in a lack of death.

Yes, they believe it was mistake that there was a shortage of killing.

http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004a.html

LEHRER: New question, Mr. President, two minutes. You have said there was a, quote, "miscalculation," of what the conditions would be in post-war Iraq. What was the miscalculation, and how did it happen?

BUSH: No, what I said was that, because we achieved such a rapid victory, more of the Saddam loyalists were around. I mean, we thought we'd whip more of them going in.

But because Tommy Franks did such a great job in planning the operation, we moved rapidly, and a lot of the Baathists and Saddam loyalists laid down their arms and disappeared. I thought they would stay and fight, but they didn't.

And now we're fighting them now. And it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I get the casualty reports every day. I see on the TV screens how hard it is.

[Dirk39]

8. Thanx to all of you...

I did write them a letter. It's a bit confusing. It seems to be from the same interview that is discussed here and everywhere else, containing Rumsfelds' comments on Abu Graib. But noone seems to comment about this stuff, which is - if he did really say this - one more major war crime.

Dirk

[lebkuchen]

16. If you read any German updates on Rummy going to Munich

next week, or deciding not to come to Germany at all, please let us know. The Center for Constitutional Rights recently added Gonzales to the lawsuit filed in Karlsruhe accusing Rummy et al of war crimes. I've read that the evidence CCR provided in the complaint is damning, not to mention Gonzales' own self-incriminating testimony during the recent hearings.

[zmdem]

9. If he didn't, he should have

Plainly there are a lot of those SOBs murdering their fellow citizens and killing our troops. If more of them were dead, more of the rest would be alive.

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[Swamp Rat]

12. BAM! n/t

[not systems]

14. Sometimes the obvious explanation is the right one...

in this case I think you nailed it.

[LynnTheDem]

17. Typical

Do a "search by author", Dirk; that kind of crap is typical from that poster.

[not systems]

13. An American first, a blood thirsty racist second and third a "Democrat"

quit a package all around.

[Disturbed]

18. There is no doubt that Rumsfailed is a

War Criminal.

Rumsfailed Admitted to Violating Geneva Convention

Rumsfailed admitted in public on TV that when CIA Director Tenet requested that an Iraqi prisoner be sent to a secret Afghan/US Prison that Rumsfailed did so. After four months a DOD Attorney stated that this was an illegal act. Rumsfailed then ordered that this prisoner be sent back to Abu Graihib but the prisoner was purposefully not listed at that location, also an illegal act. Rumsfeld also admitted to signing orders for tougher interogation methods which violated the Geneva Conventions.

Rumfailed has commited at least three violations of the Geneva Convention thereby also violations of The Constitution of the USA. Recently it has been found out that even more detainees were "ghost detainees". The fact that Rumsfailed and Tenet have not been charged speaks volumes. If Congress wishes to garner any respect they should move forward with Rep. Rangle's Impeachment Declaration of Rumsfailed and also proscecute Ex. CIA Tenet.

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Q: Senator Jack Reed (Dem, RI): "If you were shown
a video of a United States Marine or an American
citizen in control of a foreign power, in a cell block,
naked with a bag over their head, squatting with their
arms uplifted for 45 minutes, would you describe that
as a good interrogation technique or a violation of
the Geneva Convention?"

A: Marine Gen. Peter Pace, the vice chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff: "I would describe it as a violation."

A: Paul D. Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defense: "What
you've described to me sounds to me like a violation of the
Geneva Convention."

Thursday, May 13, 2004, Senate Armed Services Committee hearings

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25737-20...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25737-2004May13.htm

Friday 17 December 2004

“Scott Horton, a New York lawyer and president of the International League for Human Rights, has spent months investigating the role Bush administration officials played in the torture scandal. He says there is mounting evidence - including the May 10 FBI e-mail - that strongly suggests that Rumsfeld and his top intelligence aides were directly responsible for the wholesale abandonment of legal and ethical norms as well as international treaty obligations. Now that Republican senators and neoconservative ideologues are publicly turning their backs on the defense secretary, perhaps even he may someday be held accountable for this disgraceful stain on the honor of the U.S. armed forces.”

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121804X.shtml




Does the US, Govt., Congress, and the Justice Dept no longer abide by the Geneva Convention or the Constitution of the USA?

[Dirk39]

19. Here's the quote from Rumsfeld:

Al least I did find it, most reports did leave it out:

"One of the things that didn't go right was we were not able to get the 4th Infantry Division in from the north through Turkey. And because of that, the Sunnis north of Baghdad never really got engaged in the war and an insufficient number were captured and killed in that part of the country. And they didn't really ever experience the full power of the United States military."

But I guess the U.S. Department of Defense is a reliable source for Rumsfeld-quotes:

http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/2005/tr20050203-secdef2084.html

I just hope this scum of the earth will experience the full power of democratic justice, before he dies.
This is clearly a call for genocide, commited by the U.S. minister of defence and published by the U.S. department of defence.


Hello from Germany,
Dirk