ANOTHER insult to Holocaust Victims...this one by condi rice...(PHOTO)

[diamond14]

as a Diplomat, condi is a complete FAILURE....someone should tell her that HER OWN NAME is not what one honors on a Memorial Wreath to the Holocaust Victims....how very insulting....disguisting....






U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice lays a wreath in front of the Eternal Fire, inside the Hall of Remembrance, at Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, in Jerusalem Sunday Feb. 6, 2005. Rice arrived in the region Sunday for separate talks with Israeli and Palestinian leaders, who will sit down together in the upcoming Mideast summit in Egypt. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley)

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Oh, jeebers, is that tacky!

It looks like a big Valentine thingy. The Holocaust survivors must feel ever so honored to see that Valentine from Condor Lizard, and it's especially cool that it has her name on it. Where did these morAns go to diplomat school, anyhow?

[Career Prole]

23. She'd best have bought it with her own dough.

Half the taxpayers in this country don't go for neocon self-aggrandizement.
:grr:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

2. that's a photoshop job...please tell me it is a fake..omg

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. It's sad, isn't it, that stuff happens and we can't tell whether it's real

or PhotoShop because what they really do is so bizarre that we've been conditioned to assume all of the outrages that turn up on the 'net are real. Because they usually are.

[RoeBear]

21. I'm not joining the band wagon,

just yet, it could well be the exact correct diplomatic way to do it.

[sonicx]

26. explain...

[Eric J in MN]

31. Are there examples of previous Sec. of States visiting Yad Vashem?

If so, what did the previous Sec. of States do there?

[diamond14]

9. NOT photoshopped...it's an AP Photo, got it off Yahoo (link)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/050206/481/jrl20802062229&e=2&ncid=708

[candle_bright]

17. I saw that on Yahoo as well

It's a real picture.

I wonder, though, if other attendees also had similar wreaths with their names/titles on them too. Anyone know?

[Digit]

41. Yep, NOT photoshopped.

That is tacky....what an embarrassment.

[Sydnie]

3. Perhaps she found them in her room and thought she could

save a few bucks by "regifting" them!

She is an embrassment!

[booksenkatz]

4. WORST. SECRETARY OF STATE. EVER.

It's terribly gaudy, even without the 'glory' of her name on the piece of shit. I'm speechless.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

13. but shouldn't it have "The United STates" on it NOT her name?....

but hey what the hell do i know i ain't no diplomat :shrug:

silly me

[havocmom]

5. That is so gauche, one would hope it was just her new business card

instead of a supposed remembrance of the victims.

WHAT AN EMBARRASSMENT!

[tabasco]

14. WTF does that thing have her name on it for???????

I mean :wtf:

I suspect a combination of bad taste, arrogance, and stupidity.

[stevedeshazer]

6. It appears to have her name AND new title

They can't get ANYTHING right.

[Stop_the_War]

7. It should be "In memoriam of the Holocaust victims" not "Condi Rice"!!!

[diamond14]

11. AND payed for by American taxpayers...yes, it should say something

more fitting to the occasion, as you suggest: "We will remember"....AND from the USA (NOT: CONDOSLEEZA RICE)

[Pooka Fey]

10. Is the ** Administration going out of it's way to insult Europe???

Because it really looks that way to me. I haven't figured out how to put up my own photos yet :dunce:; but I saw a picture of Crashcart wearing a green ski jacket and a hunting cap at this same ceremony - dressed like an 8 year child on vacation in the midst a very formal, sombre, international ceremony. He was properly attired for the Coronation, so I know he owns appropriate clothing. The picture was in Newsweek - even the whore media called him out on the faux pas.

Just when I think that **Inc. can't make us look any worse to the International community.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

19. Different ceremony...

Same embarrassing behavior from our 'Leaders'

Perhaps they are following the rules of their home world?...

[diamond14]

25. PHOTOS, dick at Auschwitz: formally dressed to honor Holocaust Victims??

dick: a total INSULT to the Holocaust Victims.....dressed for a football game....















contrast to the French President, Jacques Chirac....


contrast to Italian Prime Minister, Silvio Berlusconi





Every other World Leader dressed respectfully, except dick....



(L to R) Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex, French President Jacques Chirac, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski attend the ceremonies marking the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the biggest Nazi death camp, Auschwitz-Birkenau.(AFP/Patrick Kova)

[uhhuh]

32. Don't Forget

The ski cap he wore said 'Staff' on it. Staff!! At Auschwitz!!

It sounds like a bad joke, but this administration just continues to be a bad joke.

[Pooka Fey]

34. Yup. That's what I was talking about.

How can they NOT know that they are being completely offensive??? It has to be deliberate - ** is a complete moron, but Crashcart & Sleeza are smart enough to know that they are practically spitting in the face of Europe with those gestures.

[FreedomAngel82]

55. Of course

Cheney looks like a big green m&m. :eyes: I wonder if they know about Bush's grandfather and what they think. At least his wife knew how to dress.

[MADem]

68. He looked like

Kenny from South Park, and his Missus looked like Cruella deVille. Very jarring....

[GetTheRightVote]

12. Very tacky and insensitive to the ceremony, we just can not win

all these losers in our admin

:kick:

[pinto]

15. when I saw her waving, waving, waving, turn and waving, (plane) I wondered

who is this about? Condi or the US?

This administration is becoming a cult of personality, in my opinion.

[diamond14]

35. PHOTO: condi with her new SEAL (she eliminated the words "United States")

ARROGANCE...failure to understand that she represents the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA....now condi just uses the 'Secretary of State' seal WITHOUT the "United States of America"....she probably feels that she is representing OIL companies, not the U.S. GOVERNMENT....

[gulfcoastliberal]

61. That is ourageous!

Is there some custom that each Sec of State redesigns the seal? When was the last time it got changed? Unreal.

[diamond14]

62. BartCop weighs in.....LOL, ROFL.......

http://www.bartcop.com

[neweurope]

67. I have no idea if having her name on that wreath is correct -

(but I do think that wreath was highly tasteless - these ribbons are probably blue :( )

What really got to me was the picture of her seal. I did some googling - ALL the pictures show the seal with "United States". So this is something new. To me it shouts: "I'm the Secretary of State - of ALL THE WORLD! There is only one!" Bush's seal will probably next.

I'm German, and this really offends me.

-----------------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

16. If we were Japanise....

She could commit Hari Kari and we would all feel cleansed.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

18. If we were Japanese, we'd all have to commit suicide

because we have been so terribly dishonored by these boors.

[jmowreader]

33. The Japanese would allow her to commit Seppuku

The question is, would she?

The answer, quite naturally, is "not only no, but fuck no!"

[jimfromthebronx10469]

20. did taxpayers pay for those flowers...

or did skank-o'-leeza pay out of her pocket......
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
:dem:

[MADem]

69. We the people paid

The flowers were probably purchased from a contractor that does that stuff on a regular basis. The bill would be paid by the consulate or embassy doing the advance work for her visit. It would either come out of operating funds, or the people in country would request a supplemental to their budget to cover the costs associated with the visit.

At the end of the day, it's us chickens what chipped in for the posies, to say nothing of all of the operating expenses (gas, food, security, support personnel, hotels, aircraft landing fees, maintenance, hard car vehicles, and so on and so on) for this little junket! It's a hefty chunk of change...

[Democrat Dragon]

22. How typical of them

Der Fuheress mourns the death of Jews.

[Gemini Cat]

24. The hell?

Don't those morans know anything about anything!?
What a disgrace!

[progressiveright]

27. is that cheney

breathing fire?

[sakabatou]

28. Maybe we should just send a robot

it'd be much better no wouldn't it. < /sarcasm >

[diamond14]

30. one can ALWAYS have flowers delivered...AND, our Ambassadors

are VERY good at proper cultural protocols...and are LOCATED in every country, at taxpayers expense...but then, condasleeza rice would have to actually ASK them to help her...and we KNOW that bushites feel that they are superior and don't need any advice...

with this kind of Diplomacy-in-action, it's no wonder that Russia decided ALREADY to go with the Euro....

[jjtss]

29. Okaaaaaayyyyyy...I agree that it is insulting......

but not totally insulting. I bet she capable of even more abominably insulting behavior and is saving it for the mideast.

[RedSock]

36. stolen flowers?

what horse did condi steal that wreath off of?

[BanzaiBonnie]

37. Any word from the foreign press?

They would know if that's in the protocal for such things.

I'm just a country girl and don't know much about things like that... but it doesn't seem right to me. Seems tacky.

[ConcernedCanuk]

38. It says Secretary of State, but not even what country ,, hmmmm

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[diamond14]

40. seal on her jet is same: completely eliminated "United States of America"

guess she's thinks it's just the OIL Secretary of State....she doesn't care at all to be working for the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA...she's working for the OIL companies...





perhaps we need to point this out to the MAIN STREAM MEDIA....condi works for the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, and that's what we want on ALL the SEALS and wreaths and trapping of the U.S. Secretary of State...NOW....

[RoeBear]

42. Can you show how it was

with Powell? or one of Clintons's SoS?

[diamond14]

45. can't remember powell ever doing these PHOTO-OPS upon

arrival...or Madelyn Albright...or anyone else....Madelyn mostly traveled in MILITARY PLANES, and colin too....none of this PRIVATE JET stuff...seems to me that Embassy Personnel travel complements of the U.S. Military, NOT in Private Jets....and NO PHOTO-OPS, our previous U.S. Secretary's of State made VERY LOW-Keyed arrivals, out of BOTH security and to maintain dignity, they were just QUIETLY picked up by low-keyed Embassy personnel or military....


are WE THE PEOPLE paying for this ADDITIONAL JET for the U.S. Secretary of State PHOTO-OPS????


in many ways....it seems to mimic a "presidential jet and arrival with seal on door"....awful UN-DIGNIFIED for a Diplomat

[RoeBear]

47. I need more info...

...I don't know what previous SoS did and you don't seem to know either.

[FreedomAngel82]

57. It's times like these that I miss

Powell. At least he had some class and wouldn't have made a big show out of this. As I've said before: this is the most immature bunch I've ever seen!

[DistantWind88]

56. How do you know that's not an AF plane?

I'm pretty sure it is.

[RoeBear]

39. Best that I could come up with

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/050201/74/4911d.html


It just doesn't show any detail.

[bush_is_wacko]

43. OMG! I am speechless! n/t

[Danmel]

44. Jews don't generally put flowers on memorials

or graves. It is tradional to place a stone on a memorial site- These people really don't know their protocol.

[RoeBear]

49. You should do a little research first

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050206/capt.jrl20802062229.mideast_israel_rice_us_jrl208

or maybe this:


"Representative of International Organization of Partisans and Fighters lays a wreath at Yad Vashem 29/4/2003"

[Behind the Aegis]

53. Perhaps a little more research is required

"Visitors can bring live flowers although the Orthodox custom, which many other Jewish people also do, is to put stones on the grave instead. Putting a pebble on the grave is an expression of someone having visited to pay respect for the deceased person." Jewish Funeral and Mourning Customs Although flowers are now more common, the traditional sign of respect for the dead is a stone/pebble. It is not to say that flowers will not adorn a grave or memorial, even from some Jews, but tradition is in fact a stone. Check out the extras in Schindler's List and watch the Jews (and others) who go to the site of his and his wife's grave and watch as each places a small stone.

[walldude]

46. While I'm not sure this is an insult to

holocaust victims it is certainly an insult to the American People she is supposed to be representing. I'm suprised the wreath wasn't red white and blue and had little flags on it saying "Mission Accomplished".... Stupid Bitc*

[diamond14]

50. spot on....WE THE PEOPLE deserve better representation....

these bushites represent US on the World Stage...and I am definitely INSULTED by condasleezy's NAME all over a wreath, paid for by American Taxpayers.....

[Skittles]

48. just a tad egotistical are we, Condi?

:puke:

[RoeBear]

51. It's a shame to see people jump to conclusions

like I have seen in this thread.


I contacted the Yad Vashem Memorial media relations people and they confirmed that the wreath that SoS Rice put down was
"of the type usually used".

So folks; think, do a little research before you jump to conclusions, otherwise we all look like silly hostile people.

[HereSince1628]

52. I expect the protocol folks had all the bugs worked out...

but then there was that awful image of Cheney...

Do you think your query, or YVM's response, clearly cut off the possibility of hair splitting between the wreath and the ribbon bearing message so as to prevent conversation about them as 2 distinct entities?

[RoeBear]

54. The image of Cheney did strike me as odd

but maybe there is more to the story than we know.

And yes it's possible that the wreath and 'ribbon bearing message'
are different entities but no one in this thread has shown any proof that the wreath or ribbon are out of place.

One person even went as far as saying that it should have been a rock that she left at the memorial.

"It is tradional to place a stone on a memorial site- These people really don't know their protocol."

How silly that would have been.

[DETERMINEDPROGRESIVE]

64. For The Record

I agree 100% that the wreath followed correct protocol, and that their answer to your query is accurate.

I do think the question required more specificity, however, as there is still a likely chance that the ribbon itself was not in fact following protocol.

On Edit to Follow Up:

I researched google images and found many wreaths. This one seems to be in order, as it seems normal to put either the name of the organization sponsoring the wreath or the name of the person. Here is just one sample. It says international Christian somethin or other.

[Old Mouse]

65. Nothing she did was a breach of protocol

Thank you for providing this picture.

Exuberance overwhelms restraint. Assumption without fact? We are becoming what we despise.

[mordarlar]

66. A wreath ok but do they usually put their NAME on it. I cannot imagine

going to a funeral for, say a friends passed mother, and placing a wreath with MY NAME ON IT. Tacky and distasteful.

[Old Mouse]

58. You are not correct

I attended the state showing for the death of the Queen Mother of Thailand, all of the official wreaths from world leaders had the names of who sent them in this same fashion.

[ultraist]

59. Condi didn't order that wreath, get real , someone else did

Granted, Condi has said some very destructive things on her little tour, but she did not order that wreath. People like that have assistants and handlers that take care of such things. My God, do you think Condi even knew there would be a wreath more than five minutes before she arrived?

Whoever was in charge of researching what is appropriate and expected passed that info on to some clerk who placed the order.

And as far as the speeches, they write them for her. I highly doubt she writes any of her own speeches.

[diamond14]

60. sooooOOOOO....the buck stops WHERE?

your arguments are the same one's, used to defend bush*...NOBODY is responsible for anything in the bush* cabal....just a few lowest level troops in the Abu Garib prison, that's all....

[diamond14]

63. BartCop weighs in....TRUTH conquers all.....LOL...ROFL.....

http://www.bartcop.com

[VOX]

70. WTF kind of narcisissim is this? The SOS represents the USA...

as a diplomat, not **herself**.

To those who say she's blameless, as she probably didn't order the flowers -- well, then, as Secretary of State, she should have had the fu**ing horse sense to pull that "me, myself and I" ribbon off the wreath.

This is utterly classless, and is a clear signal that she's clueless and out of touch with the world.