Has anyone else noticed that Clinton is paired with Bush

[Sadie5]

much to often these days. Tonight on the Super bowl there was Clinton marching with Poppy Bush up to the stage. Then last week it was another photo-op featuring Poppy and Clinton as the designated pair who were representing the US in the Tsunami incident. This seems odd since I believe Bush made it known that he despised Clinton. Does anyone else here think that Bush might be using Clinton to ease the hatred of the American people where his stupid policies are concerned? After all, I'm sure Bush gets it thrown in his face at least once a day that Clinton was a popular President who helped the people, and enjoyed a rock solid economy.

[samplegirl]

1. Your probably right

Im sure it wasnt Clintons idea. I noticed he at least was able to
ditch Poppy during game time.

[ultraist]

2. I have noticed it

I think Clinton is working on his legacy and helping to set the stage for Hillary in 08. She is NOT a liberal you know and supports funding for faith based orgs.

The library opening, the tsunami fundraiser org, tonight...it's intentional.

I haven't seen Clinton make a SINGLE appearance with our losing candidate Kerry though.

[politicasista]

6. He probably help set Kerry up so that Hillary can run in 08

That's why he is eating Smirky and Poppa Smirky's cheeses. :bounce:

[Cleita]

10. I have been so thinking the 2004 election was derailed with

some help from the Hillary crowd. I used to like her.

[NVMojo]

13. I hate to think it but it seems plausible ...

and his surgery just before the election was voluntary, not immediately needed.

[politicasista]

18. That's interesting. I think he is cutting a deal with the Smirkys.

[mattclearing]

26. That's not true.

He was on the verge of a heart attack, and having chest pains. Nothing voluntary about that.

[shrike]

35. I lost my dad to congestive heart failure

He had numerous procedures, and believe me, it is not elective surgery. It is not something you do because you want to. And it offends me that someone would suggest otherwise.

[davidwparker]

20. Do tell. Was it the former Clinton guys who advised Kerry to roll over

less than 24 hours after the election. Oh, wasn't it at the Dem convention that Hillary was seen clicking a glass of Champagne. Was she thinking, good thing is wasn't Dean about to be nominated.

The ONLY way I'd vote for Hillary in 2008 is if she is running against Jeb. We simply cannot take another Bush. It would only be under ABB circumstances.

I'm liking Clark and Edwards in some order at this time. Edwards did want to continue to fight Ohio. And, he looked good on C-SPAN tonight.

[Cleita]

37. If Hillary is the candidate we will have to vote for her, but not before.

I was always uneasy about how Dean with run off the tracks and Kerry who was trailing at the end along with Lieberman suddenly got pushed to the front during the primaries.

[politicasista]

39. Interesting

O.K. let's hear it. Kerry is a has-been who caved in to the Bushes. I like the General and Edwards also.

[nashville_brook]

3. had a bad thought watching him on the superbowl

what if someone "got to him" while he was in the hospital for the bypass surgery and gave him the Bill Casey/Ronald Reagan special brain damage treatment.

that would explain why he's been talking about aliens lately.

[Sadie5]

5. It would be sad

If Bill Clinton blessed Bush's rabid ideas. He was a very caring soul that helped the poor with a good solid economy, just to watch the ***undo all the good he had so far accomplished.

[ultraist]

8. Hillary said during an interview...

that if Bush offered Clinton a cabinet position he would take it!!! Clinton would work for Bush's admin. There is something going on.

[NVMojo]

14. I think I am going to RE-PUKE!!!!

Again and again, just thinking of it and what it means ...:puke:

[KlatooBNikto]

21. I remember that during the 1992 election, Bush Jr. seeing that his dad

was going to lose to Bill Clinton, asked Clinton to throw the election to his dad in return for their support for Clinton in 1996.I think a similar deal may be in the works for 2008 with Hillary trading places with Bill. Being a baseball team owner has given Junior plenty of experience in fixing games so this should be thought of as a natural progression.

I think this shows how we are ruled by only one party,the Money Party. The backroom deals are where the real action is. Everything else is a charade.

[mattclearing]

27. Link?

He's been talking about aliens?

[samplegirl]

4. After all

Somebodys gotta do it..... Chimpy couldnt walk out Clinton.
Superbowl tickets arent sold just to Repukes.

[madrchsod]

7. clinton and bush have more in common

than most people realize. daddy bush wasn`t really that bad in comparison to his son.

[tinanator]

30. you really believe GW makes the decisions?

Its poppy's dynasty and poppy's crime family. For any American to believe there is any sort of division or seperation makes it possible for them to pull this off. Plausible denial, its not just for breakfast anymore.

[Cleita]

9. I just watched their commercial together for tsunami relief.

I had a yin and yan feeling. HW will always remind me of Beezlebub and I wonder why Clinton is alongside him? It doesn't make me feel comfortable.

[alwynsw]

17. How about the idea

that caring for humanity supercedes politics?

Linke it or not, I'd give over my political beliefs in order to save humanity one tenth of the suffering that the tsunami caused in the Indian Ocean.

[Cleita]

36. Yeah, but you don't have to make a pact with the devil to do so.

I would have rather seen Clinton out there with Kofi Annan, Jimmy Carter or other such high profile person asking for money. Everytime a Democrat compromises with the BFEE, he is giving them some kind of legitimacy. And why isn't Jimmy Carter, as an ex-President, out there with Clinton doing these humanitarian things? Could it be that Jimmy Carter feels the way I do? Could it be he knows that everytime he appears in public with anyone of the Bush's that he is giving them legitimacy?

[alwynsw]

41. Sorry you see it that way.

What I see is two influential human beings, albeit two human beings who are poles apart politically, setting aside political beliefs for the good of humanity. This disaster goes far beyond politics.

on edit: Please remember that there are people who wouldn't give a starving child a crumb if Bush the elder asked, just as there are those who would act in the same manner if Clinton asked. Together, they reach the greatest number of potential donors and volunteers. Tsunami relief - or any type of natural disaster relief - is best served when all work together.

Would you question the politics of the person working beside you filling sandbags to hold back a flood before you agreed to work with that person? If you discovered in the middle of the job that said person were a Republican, would you either quit working or demand that person's removal?

Please try to think of it in those terms. It's about people and life, not policies and agendas.

[latteromden]

11. It strikes me as popular president and current president's father, both

wanting nothing at all to do with that father's son. I'm sure 41 is quite ashamed of 43 sometimes.

[Jose Diablo]

31. "I'm sure 41 is quite ashamed of 43 sometimes."

Don't count on it, the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.

[Pam-Moby]

12. The chimp is such a hated president

and he is using Billy boy to try and boost his job approval rating.
He must think because the Dem's like Clinton that some of Willy's magic will rub off on him. NOT!!!!!!

[cybildisobedience]

33. I agree....

These Bushies -- with all their claims of dynasty and warm embrace by the American public -- realize, on some level, that they are not as popular as they think. That's why they fix elections, pay journalists to praise them, and refuse to ever be in circumstances that aren't completely controlled (i.e., an inauguration where snipers, cannons and tanks are lining the streets of D.C.).
Poppy would never walk out into that crowd and risk a resounding round of boos without Clinton there to minimize the risk (or provide an
excuse).

[SmileMaker]

15. I like that the grown-ups seem to be stepping up so publicly

Even the wingnut radio hosts had trouble criticizing Clinton tonight! I think it's pretty brilliant even though one never really knows what kind of dirty dealings go on behind the scenes at their level. Still, it's comforting to know that Clinton is reaching out to help project the values of at least half of us to the world.

[O.M.B.inOhio]

16. Either they're starring in a remake of The Odd Couple

or, as the last legitimately elected presidents we have had, they have to fill some political void of statesmanship. When I see Clinton (or even Bush Sr.!), I think, "oh yeah, that's what a president looks like." Same goes for Kerry's public appearances.

[Caria]

19. Please remember that Kofi Annan selected Clinton

Bush I was basically just along for the photo-ops. So yes, I think the Bushes are using Clinton, but I think it is more for domestic propaganda. I don't think the rest of the world is fooled one bit.

Why is Clinton "allowing" it? My guess is that the white house would otherwise find ways to block his work. He's a compassionate man who is putting the tsunami victims' needs first. Good for him!

Besides, everyone who sees them together knows that Bush I lost to Clinton!

[joanski01]

22. My personal opinion of the Super Bowl

appearance was that Clinton was doing everything possible to avoid being close to Poppy. Clinton knew that he was on camera around the world and acted very Presidential. When Poppy tried to say something to him, Clinton just ignored him. Clinton looked totally into the occasion.

[cornermouse]

23. Clinton has always been able to put personal feelings

aside to work toward a goal with just about anyone. That's what I picked up while watching during his presidential years. I could never have done it, but it can be an admirable trait.

[The Backlash Cometh]

24. It is beginning to bother me.

[Pepperbelly]

25. A lot of you guys are really beginning to bother me.

I do not have any idea what some of the firebrands expect from politicians. Do you really think that Clinton should have refused to help in Tsunami relief efforts?

Do you want him to act like a spoiled little fuck rather than a grown-up? Should he have tripped the old bastard?

:eyes:

[mattclearing]

29. Hehehe...If he had tripped GHWB, that would have been pretty funny.

Or at least kicked him in the shin.

:D

But seriously, people need to lay off President Clinton. I have my suspicions, but one thing I am certain of is that whatever is going on between him and the Bushes, he is doing it for a good reason.

I trusted Clinton through his term, and he never did any less than the best he could get away with, with a few choice exceptions (*coughtelecomactcough*).

I'm going to continue to extend him the benefit of the doubt.

[Corgigal]

28. Sometimes I think

that this Bush likes Clinton because he did beat his daddy in the race for the White House. Everything this Bush does is opposite of what his father did. Revenge against Daddy is more important then the American people.

[double_helix]

32. I'm a center-right independent and supported both men.

Clinton, a southern Democrat, was pro-business and in tune with traditional sensibilities. HW Bush, essentially a northern Republican, was internationalist and culturally moderate. IMO, both men were well qualified, diplomatic, rational, reasonable moderate conservatives.

If the Democrats nominate a liberal again like Kerry (who I held my nose and voted for) I'll probably be going with the Republican, especially if it's McCain (unlikely, the far right won't let it happen), or even someone like Frist (who is likely to get the nomination, I would think).

[Cleita]

38. Newsflash! Neither John Kerry nor Howard Dean are liberals.

Jerry Brown is a liberal and if you looked at the record, California was never so prosperous and progressive as it was under Brown's governorship. But even back then the right wing was making ad hominem attacks against him like the Governor Moonbeam tag.

Glad that you would rather vote for McCain than Bush. I don't like McCain but at least I think he has a brain and would err on the side of caution instead of taking our whole country for a reckless train ride, which is bound to derail us permanently.

[double_helix]

40. Kerry only recently moved more towards the center for the election.

If Clinton is center right, which I think most political observers would agree he is, then Kerry's record is very left wing in comparison. Dean governed Vermont as a moderate liberal, but he has moved to the left since then, and probably plans to stay there.

The Democrats may get my vote if they nominate a true moderate conservative like Evan Bayh, but somehow I don't think that is going to happen. And they will lose again because Dems only win when they nominate such candidates (Truman, Kennedy, Carter, Clinton).

[MadHound]

34. This isn't suprising,

Being as they're both sock puppets for their corporate masters. Just some more of the the two party/same corporate master system of government we are all suffering under.