Madsen's new "Expose':Christian Mafia" is The Whole Enchilada!

[Wiley50]

Article at www.insider-magazine.com/ChristianMafia.htm

It's a real shame that most of us won't take the time to read this new article because they've read other Madsen stuff that was a little over the top, didn't get everything just right or didn't pan out or go anywhere. Those of us who have read it can (and do) say that this time Madsen has done the most detailed, comprehensive and exhaustive (long) study of the most evil, despicable criminal enterprise ever to exist in this country.
He starts in 1935 and details the nazi beginings and growth over the years of " The Fellowship", This Evil thing that we all are fighting.
What he has written this time IS the RICO case we've all been praying for. He exposes every one of these slimy bastards who have taken complete control of our country. It is our first chance to see the totality, the macrocosm of this evil thing instead of just seeing and exhausting ourselves fighting a small piece of it.
The part where he describes Chimpy's missing Alabama National Guard time actually being spent in a San Diego Drug and Alcohol Rehab and doing community service at the Texas PuLL organization and Poppy's cover up I'm sure can be proven somehow. It really IS the noose we've been searching for to Skin the Chimp.
Take a look at the discussion thread and see what those of us who HAVE read it have to say

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1571976

Please don't miss this opportunity to get the goods and run with this. I'm positive that what he writes CAN be proven this time. We need to get behind this thing and get the ball rolling on some court action based on what Madsen has uncovered. This is our chance to wrap the whole slimy bunch up, send them to prison and bring down their evil house of cards. And Finally TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK!
Don't let this one pass you by

[Nite Owl]

1. Half way through

very good piece for putting it all together.

[Wiley50]

11. KICK!

[Wiley50]

12. Kick n/t

[LynneSin]

2. Man this sums up the Christian Mafia the best:

The Fellowship and its predecessor organizations have used Jesus in the same way that McDonald’s uses golden arches and Coca Cola uses its stylized script lettering. Jesus is a logo and a slogan for the Fellowship. Jesus is used to justify the Fellowship’s access to the highest levels of government and business in the same way Santa Claus entices children into department stores and malls during the Christmas shopping season.

[Wiley50]

5. You got that right!

Please Folks! Have I ever steered you wrong?
Please read this thing and get it spread EVERYWHERE!
If we could get Free Speech TV to do a multi part documentary we could turn this whole thing around.
Get it to Amy Goodman and Michael Moore.
Get it where it can be easily seen by the masses.
Once all of the sincere Christians see how they've been used all of these years Lord help the Irish we're gonna see an amazing revolution in this country from just the quarter that we never expected it from.
It's finally time to blow this thing wide open.
We need every DU'ers help on this one

[PROGRESSIVE1]

10. kick

[nostamj]

13. "Jesus is a logo"

man, ain't THAT the TRUTH! and 'corporate christianity' is one of the sickest frauds in history...

[MsAnthropy]

3. Scary, scary stuff

and alot of it can be cross-checked against other anti-Bush books as accurate.

[KoKo]

4. It's a long read...problem is that it's too disjointed.

He needs an editor. Most people wouldn't get through this. It just rambles and is too "breathless." He doesn't have proper footnotes for his information, or interviews with people who are involved in "The Fellowship" or aware of it who could give some counter perspective to his article.

The other problem is that it looks like a huge amount of "Google" research. He needed to heavily edit and leave out the items like "Reagan got a cold blood transfusion which could have led to his Alzheimers." Who is going to believe that statement? He isn't able to back up or tie together the connections between these people in a way that doesn't come across as "conspiratorial" for the average person.


Just my 2 cents. But, it's worth a read for those who don't know all the background of these groups. It's just depressing that it won't go anywhere.

[Wiley50]

6. It just needs to be turned into a documentary, KoKo

It needs to be accessable and easy for mass consumption. And that can start with us getting behind it and getting it to the people who have the ability to do it.
It needs a producer with the organization and resources to fact check it and package it the way they package the evil product they sell.
I say Fight Fire with Fire!
It's a script that needs development and surely there are those of us who have the connections to pitch it.

[KoKo]

17. Well, yes...that, too!

:D

[Wright Patman]

7. Good read, but too long

And I would disagree with the labeling of Alcoholics Anonymous as "psychologically abusive." The 12 Steps have helped millions of people over the years.

[Wiley50]

8. I must agree it's long. It's like a small book.

But it's a huge conspiracy with a large cast of conspirators and it's been going on a long time. Since 1935.
I can't see how it could have been told in totality and been done any shorter.
I say again. It needs to be a multi part documentary.


As for AA, that route doesn't work well for free thinkers. The weak and powerless approach keeps a whole lot of folks struggling unnessesarily for way too long. I know this from personal experience.
The empowerment approach done by folks like Lifering works much better for some of us

[Wiley50]

9. Kick n/t

[thebigidea]

14. what, did he get bored with the conspiracy to steal the election already?

what are the odds of stumbling on two vast conspiracies in as many months?

[Wiley50]

15. The Big Idea is that it's all One Big Conspiracy

What? Are you too lazy to read the article. Some of us have read it twice already and find it right on mark. Just a whole lot to digest

[Wiley50]

16. Kick n/t

[KoKo]

18. It's too big a "conspiracy" for the average American to wrap brain around.

that's why Madsen needs to break it down. A DU'er suggested he needs "Timeline Charts." That would be a good start...and as I said, before, he needs to get rid of the "side ally's and focus on the Main Streets or maybe the Freeways to get mainstream folks intrigued enough to start thinking. He's got too much in there. You can't build a house instantly..gotta start with the foundation, first. :shrug:

[NAO]

24. Madsen's "Expose" reminds me of "The Gemstone File"

...that same overarching scope, explaining everything of significance in the past 60 years, the rapid pace and flight of ideas, the change in topics before going too deeply into one topic or before citing sources.

I do like Madsen's articles - I just take them with a grain of salt. I think he could be much more effective if he would adhere to standard practices of investigative journalism.

Even David Icke (FYI, Icke is not exactly a pillar of mainstream journalism) cites his sources in detail, often providing upwards of 70 -80 footnotes to each chapter in his books. If Icke can document his sources, Madsen certainly can.

[eleny]

19. Kick

[NAO]

20. see also Madsen's "Bush's Christian Blood Cult"

Bush's Christian Blood Cult
http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen04222003.html

[NAO]

21. Related and Supporting Articles for Madsen's "Expose" -1. Dominionism

Articles on Dominionism/Christian Reconstuctionism

The Swift Advance of a Planned Coup: Conquering by Stealth and Deception - How the Dominionists Are Succeeding in Their Quest for National Control and World Power
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheSwiftAdvanceOfaPlannedCoup.htm

The Despoiling of America: How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm

Video on the Christian Reconstructionist Dominionist Theocratic Agenda
http://www.theocracywatch.org/av/video_dominion.ram

The Rise of the Religious Right in the Republican Party
a public information project from TheocracyWatch.org
http://www.theocracywatch.org

The Yurica Report
http://www.yuricareport.com

[Wrinkle_In_Time]

22. Huh?

It's a real shame that most of us won't take the time to read this new article because they've read other Madsen stuff that was a little over the top, didn't get everything just right or didn't pan out or go anywhere.

I won't read any more "Madsen stuff" precisely for the reasons you stated: "a little over the top, didn't get everything just right or didn't pan out or go anywhere." I would consider it "a real shame" if people continued to read this material once they had come to that conclusion.

Actually, there is one more reason why I won't read this stuff: I'm repulsed by the cult-like promotion of it. There is a very freaky vibe that surrounds this material.

[NAO]

23. Related and Supporting Articles for Madsen's "Expose" - 2. The Fellowship

Meet 'The Family' (Alternet Article)
By Anthony Lappé, Guerrilla News Network. Posted June 13, 2003.
http://www.alternet.org/story/16167

Jesus Plus Nothing
Originally from Harper's Magazine, March 2003. By Jeffrey Sharlet
http://www.harpers.org/JesusPlusNothing.html?pg=1

Does John Baldacci belong to a secretive, powerful, conservative Christian group?
He says no. It was just a cheap rent in Washington, DC. So was he deceiving his "brothers in Christ"?
BY LANCE TAPLEY
http://www.portlandphoenix.com/features/top/ts_multi/documents/02877355.asp

Records of the Fellowship Foundation
http://www.wheaton.edu/bgc/archives/GUIDES/459.htm

These articles serve to document, to some extent, the claims of Madsen's article. I enjoy Madsen's articles, but I really do wish he would thoroughly document his sources.

[Karenina]

25. Kick!

:kick:

[NAO]

26. The Fellowship Articles substantiate much of Madsen's' Article

If I had not read the articles on "The Fellowship" I would have been much more skeptical of Madsen's Expose. I suspect that some of these articles were primary sources for Madsen when he was writing Expose of the Christian Mafia.