Who do you blame, Bush or the people who voted for him?

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[MsTryska]

1. C. All of the above.

nt

[saracat]

2. Both.

[indie_voter]

3. Both n/t

[BrklynLiberal]

Both, and his handlers..

[LisaM]

4. Both.

I waver between wanting things in the country to get better and hoping they all suffer.

[soleft]

5. and the people who manipulated the manipulatable people voting for him

[dandrhesse]

6. this is the 3rd time I've posted a similar response today, because

its seems we have a gap in the understanding. If you live in a big city, it is hard to imagine anyone not knowing what's happening on the internet or on cable tv. But here in the midwest in towns of 50 thousand or lesss it is not hard to imagine at all, because it happens here all the time.

We have Gannett news owned papers, right wing radio, and tv news. Many people can not afford internet access, or cable tv. They voted single issue, or they did not know the real facts because they were not presented in our papers, on tv news or on the radio.

Control the information and you control the mind.

[LisaM]

18. All that may be true, but on the other hand

their vote has affected my life (and my friends' lives - I have three friends with very young sons going to Iraq) negatively, and I really don't think my votes for Clinton had the same impact on their lives. I grew up in a small town too and I did not spend my time being deliberately mis-informed.

[dandrhesse]

32. i totally agree with you

I didn't offer it as an excuse, just an explanation.

My point is, that bush and co are deliberating, methodically limiting the flow of information that gets to the "general" public and that is wrong.

People shouldn't have top "purchase" the truth, it should be over the public airwaves free of charge.

[LisaM]

33. No, you're right

and when I was growing up the Fairness Doctrine still existed.

[ultraist]

24. People in the midwest can get cable or go on the internet

There is no excuse to allow yourself to be brainwashed. I live in NC for fucks sake.

What about the millions of BLUE voters in the midwest? How did they get their info? Those RED voters are not innocent victims. BS. They fucked us.

I blame the RED voters, Bush and his corporation.

[n2mark]

7. Both

maybe you should add FOX.

[WildClarySage]

8. Bush.

People make mistakes and it's easy to when there's a concerted effort to mislead them.

Bush's actions have been deliberate.

[bunkerbuster1]

9. Blame Bush. I can forgive those who voted for him.

Actually, we have no choice--we have to forgive them, show enough of these folks the error of their ways, and bring them back into the fold.

Obviously, vast numbers of Bushites can go fuck themselves, but many of them were simply misinformed and need to be educated.

[FreedomAngel82]

20. I agree

Those who just didn't know and realize everything and listen to us I could forgive and if they try to change their party. Those who continue to believe Bush and their lies and can't see through is just their blindness.

[jackster]

10. BOTH!

When anyone complains about anything with the administration, I always ask "For whom did you vote?"

If they say Bush, I answer back "Then you cannot complain, you brought this on yourself."

[pacalo]

11. Both, but I'd add the corporate media to the top of the list.

[ernstbass]

12. Both

[davekriss]

13. Both (n/t)

[Walt Starr]

14. All of 'em.

The bastards!

[TJaeger]

15. Bush

I think I speak on behalf of great parts of the "Old World", when I personally blame 50% of the US population for Bush' victory.

[tnlefty]

21. Welcome TJaeger!

Hope that you like it here.

[newyawker99]

36. Hi TJaeger!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[indepat]

16. The people must ultimately take responsibility for their own decisions

[RedCappedBandit]

17. Agreed, and..

seeing as how Bush is also a person who needs to take responsibility for his decisions, I blame him as well as his supporters.

[FreedomAngel82]

22. If Bush was any type of President

He would do that. He continues not to take responsibility for anything.
A lot of it is his fault because he is the President and he has say over everything. He could've stopped so much: the right-wing lies, the Iraq war, 9/11, the SBV's.... I could go on. But does he do anything? No and that's what pisses me off. :grr:

[indepat]

28. His failure to take responsibility for his own decisions is a.o.k. with

not only his supporters, but absolutely everyone eligible to have registered to vote, but who did not vote for Kerry. Houston, there are big, big problems out there.

[FreedomAngel82]

19. All of them but mainly the voters

Because they could've done like myself and did the freakin research. It doesn't take too long now days with the internet. All they had to do was just look at what's going on. Sure, some people don't have time to do research and all that, but it's the voters who put him in power. Only way they'll get my sympathy is if they regret voting for him and try to change things within their party.

[barb162]

23. both , but I blame Bush more.

[hippiegranny]

25. While I am none too thrilled with any Bush voter

my outrage is much more directed at Bush himself, his ass kissing media whores and the network of corruption that stole our votes. I do not like Bush voters, but I don't even believe they really are the majority.

[begin_within]

26. Bush had no power until those voters handed over theirs to him.

[mitchum]

27. A fascist is a fascist is a fascist

I blame them all

[seabeyond]

29. really to be honest, i blame the people who voted for him

bush is who he is. though people say he is really good at covering up who he is, he isnt. he isnt good at it at all. it was clear all the evils on bush. wouldnt take much at all to know the ugly and lying of bush.

i blame the people. why it is so hard for me to look in their eyes, in a friendly and open kinda way

[ElsewheresDaughter]

30. BOTH!

[lamp_shade]

31. The people who voted for him

[d_b]

34. Both

[tom_paine]

35. Do you blame Hitler or those who supported him?

Same question, really, different Tyrants (one Kinder and Gentler and False, one more direct and violent...different countries, different customs)

Actually, now that I more fully understand what went on in Germany 1933, now going through the (thankfully) Kinder and Gentler Version 2.0, I blame the 1933 Germans LESS than I ever did for what they allowed to happen.

I can personally attest that it's damned hard to resist such an all-encompassing Lie Machine, it's enablers, and it's dupes, especially when empowered with All the Power of the State. It's hard to know what to do. It's hard to be sure that Nazism or Bushevikism is going to take the direction you think...until it happens then it's too late.

I am reminded of a classic case of "Jew" vs. "Nazi Bully"

Krugman squared off against O'Reichly about a year ago on a neutral show. Krugman was armed with fact, O'Reichley with the usual cookie-cutter Factless Smear and Distort and a Nazi Bully's mindset.

Krugman was visibily shaken and shuddery. O'Reichly told several bald-faced lies, the biggest whopper being that he had spoken with Hans Blix prior to Sept 1st, 1939...sorry March 27th, 2003.

But he told them like a Nazi, with chest thrust out, proud, aggressive and bullying.

Civilzed People such as paul Krugman, are not used to dealing with the Nazi mindset, which is why Totalitarianism, it seems, is often the end result of a Free Nation as it atrophies in Middle-Age.

Krugman, even though he KNEW O'Reichley was lying about that, couldn't respond because he wasn't 100% certain enough to call O'Reichley on it. So he let him slide, addressing the lie in print a few days later but on the show, it looked like HE was the liar in posession of questionable facts.

O'Reichley's way is the Totalitarian Way, the Soviet or Nazi Way. And it works. In a nutshell, it is emblematic of what we face.

Bottom line: This seemed to be an obvious cut-and-dried answer back when America was a Free Country.

But now that I have gotten to observe the workings of the Totalitarian Phenomena UP CLOSE, I am no longer certain, anyway.

Maybe no one is to blame...or everyone.