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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:22 PM
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Poll question: Soon-to-be DNC Chair Howard Dean: How do you see him?
Soon-to-be DNC Chair Howard Dean: How do you see him?
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:23 PM
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1. Just what we need n/t
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:24 PM
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2. I just open my eyes and there he is, everytime.
:D
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:31 PM
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6. Don't take this personally, because I am a big Dean fan.
But it's interesting that the first two supportive posts are from members with GLBT avatars.

It's been clear for some time that a lot of his support is from the GLBT community, apparently because of Vermont's civil unions laws.

My question is, why is it that the other factions of the democratic part are not behind him as enthusiastically? Do you think there is a bit of homophobia, because he's been painted as "the gays' candidate"?

Or are they just afraid of a democrat who's proud to be a democrat and opposed the war?
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rigel99 Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:36 PM
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7. He hasn't courted the other factions
but they are for him, they just need to be included.
we've done a pretty ok job in GA of including greens, libertarians, ethnic groups, etc. but still the DFA meetups are full of white upwardly interested politicos ...

when we got a charter bus and shipped in 400 elderly for Dean's candidacy announcement, we made 400 lifelong dean supporters an huge participants in the cause.. it's our job to do the recruiting to not only Dean's movement, but the larger fiscally responsible and make things happen progressive movement.. but good question.... i wondered that myself..

what on earth is that red # at the end of your posts? i thought maybe the US deficit in 2010?
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:39 PM
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9. It's the national debt RIGHT NOW.
And your other point is interesting.

I was a huge Dean backer last spring, and I never understood why he didn't catch fire with some groups. But good work there in GA, and congrats on putting the bravest woman in the congress, Cynthia McKinney, back where she belongs!
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:52 PM
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14. I have no idea why more people don't support Dean.
It's never made sense to me. I'm loathe to think it's any kind of homophobia -- I've never thought of him as "the gays' candidate" anyway, though I'm very pro-gay marriage.

He's intelligent, well-spoken, and tolerates no bullshit. What a relief!!

It might be left over from the primaries. People got very behind "their guy" and maybe don't want to support their guy's enemy. I don't know.

Frankly -- I'd prefer to use the resource that is Howard in a more powerful position than DNC chair. But maybe he'll make that position more powerful.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:27 PM
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3. Dean transcends his role as divider
he's actually much more than a tool used by the RW and the media to play off other dems, like Kerry, Dean's other rivals for the DNC, and now McAuliffe.

He was actually a very successful governor, and I think he'll make a fine DNC chair.
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:28 PM
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4. He's a lot more moderate than the right makes him out and
he has given my party a backbone. He is in a great position to energize the party, refine the message to one of human rights and values and to capture the disenfranchised moderate Republicans.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:37 PM
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8. There are few other figures...
...that would be embraced by both my neighbor (a 'far lefty') and brother (ex-GOP very conservative hawk), with both recognizing that the media has painted a false portrait of him, and both now being 'eyes open' to the dangers of propaganda and consolidated media...

But that's Dean. Moderate, liberal? How antiquated are these notions? Could we be any more artificial or insulting to the american people?

The media is hurting America. Liberal and conservative aren't even viable descriptors for an over-arching worldview anymore. Like the story of the blind men and the elephant. I guess in more ways than one.

Dean is a pragmatist, a realist. He's outspoken and plain-spoken. He'll be a great chair for the party.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:31 PM
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5. The problem is not that Dean is a moderate, the problem is that
in the DLC dominated organization, being moderate requires moving significantly to the left.

That raises the question of how far the corporate teats will stretch. If they won't reach back to the middle, then politicians are going to have to find another way to suckle. That scares the hell out of them.


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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:41 PM
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10. I think Dean is great!
Just to hear him talk - how he relates to young people, how he understands the "kitchen table" issues, makes me very encouraged for our future with him at the helm.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:44 PM
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11. He's a Conservative! He just pretend to be a liberal...
Pro-NRA, pro-death penalty, very tough on criminal justice and not an environmentalist.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:50 PM
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13. Are you saying that I am not a liberal?
I am pro second ammendment, pro death penalty, and pro environment.

Dean said not long ago that he thinks environmental issues should be more in the forefront.

Dean is a good democrat, what more can we ask?

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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:48 PM
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12. Howard's the man
I worked for him last winter, and I'm glad he's made the comeback. He's just what the party needs. He called out Bush when Daschle and Gephardt didn't have the balls to.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 03:01 PM
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15. Dean is a breath of fresh air.
I don`t care if he`s a little to the left or a little to the right. What matters to me is that he actually has a spine.

Dean was my Governor for many years. Sometimes I agreed with him and sometimes I didn`t. I respected him because he said what he meant and meant what he said. He`s intelligent, innovative, gutsy and principled. When Howard Dean tells you something, you can believe him. And, when he makes a mistake, he`ll say so. Give him a chance.

The last thing Democrats need is yet another so-called leader who can`t even find the courage to speak up and uphold basic Democratic Party principles. Instead we get idiots who scramble to get a seat on the Crossfire set so that they can remind America how great the Patriot Act is.

Goodbye,Terry. Too bad you never did get a chance to meet with regular folks. That`s where the ideas are.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:39 PM
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16. I think he brings a lot of what's been missing to the table
In addition, he has done so much to rejuvinate the Dem party and he deserves this.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:51 PM
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17. Dean RULES!
I will be a happy man when Howard is elected as DNC chair!:bounce:
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