Please don't refer to them as "pro-life"...

[Stop_the_War]

they are ANTI-CHOICE. It's more realistic.

[melv]

1. right on. n/t

[Triana]

2. I agree...(n/t)

[Hugin]

3. I've also heard the term... Pro-birth bandied about.

Current events should make it clear the RWers care *nothing* about
life.

[booksenkatz]

8. Slight correction: pro-FORCED birth

Nothing wrong with birth... unless it's against your will, like these bastards are gunning for!

[Eileen]

24. I prefer to call it Involuntary Gestation

So those who oppose abortion - and often also any "artificial" birth control - and especially those who say "the physicians job is to save both" and using that rationale they claim that abortion even in cases of rape, or incest, or danger of death to the pregnant woman, deliberate abortion is still not an acceptable "option".

I actually often refer to such a person as a Pro Involuntary Gestator (PIG).


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[Warpy]

4. Pro REPRODUCTIVE SLAVERY

is the correct term.

They don't give a hoot about the living. They only want any woman who allowed a man to do "that" to her to be enslaved to the possible result.

[BrklynLiberal]

14. That's the most accurate discription of what they are.

To repeat Florynce R. Kennedy's famous quote
"If men got pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament"
(I had been giving Simone deBeauvoir credit for that quote, but it is actually American lawyer and women's rights activist Florynce Kennedy who said it. She also said "Don't agonize. Organize!")

[bluestateguy]

5. Most of them are pro-birth

But if one is anti-abortion, anti-death penalty, anti war in Iraq and is an advocate of children's programs, health care and education then I have no problem calling them pro-life.

[flamin lib]

6. Actually not, to be completely accurate

you'd have to call them anti-abortion. They can't be pro-life because so many of them support the death penalty. They can't be anti-choice because even if the pregnancy is brought to term there are choices to be made which they acknowledge. The only thing left is anti-abortion which is the only choice they want to suppress.

Besides, it irritates the #ell out of them.

[booksenkatz]

9. So how should I classify my Dem pals who are against abortion?

They can't stand the idea of abortion, but they are very much pro-choice because they understand that it should be a woman's choice.

Damn these semantics, LOL!

[flamin lib]

12. Against abortion? I guess it's a matter of degree.

If someone is actively trying to remove abortion from the list of options they are obviously "anti-abortion". If they don't approve but respect the right to choose that option I don't see that as "anti-abortion" or "anti-choice". I see that as a perfectly reasonable stand on the issue: "I won't have one, but what others do is up to them."

I have a great deal of respect for those who can have a contrary opinion but do not wish to visit it by force on others.

[mitchtv]

7. Pro -life might imply that they were against

Wars of Conquest
Death penalty
medical care for the sick
anti choice is the only name for the Am. Taliban

[daydreamer]

10. Name is very important

You have to give GOP credit for coming up with good names.

[flamin lib]

15. Yes, you do.

The GOP has successfully defined the DEM party. It is important to note that regardless how angry us Dem's get we are labeled as "whiners". BS! I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. Every time I get an email from a Repub telling me I'm whining I "reply to all" with the largest text Eudora offers with one line: Get this straight, I'm not fucking whining, I'm yelling at the top of my voice.

[Spazito]

11. I agree, they are anti-choice, imo

Often the same people who are anti-choice about abortion are anti-choice about many other rights as well. Even if abortion is the only issue they are anti-choice, there is no question they are against a woman's right to choose, ergo anti-choice is appropriate.

[Sandpiper]

13. Their position is best described as Anti-Abortion, not Pro-Life

One cannot support wars and capital punishment and reasonably claim to be pro-life.

[BrklynLiberal]

16. If their only concern was the life of the unborn, why do they campaign

against sex education, pre-natal and post natal care, HIV care and information, birth control information and medication and giving funds to organizations that provide those things to poor women, both here and around the world? What does that have to do with "preserving the sanctity of unborn life"?
They are all about controlling women's minds and bodies.
While these groups support pharmacists being able to deny women birth control pills due to their "conscience", I would like to see these groups support pharmacists who have the nerve to say no to a man asking for Viagra or condoms!

[Sandpiper]

18. Because they are motivated out of religious dogma

And not out of any concern for the welfare of women or children.

[demodonkey]

17. They are PRO-FETUS, not pro-life...

Pro-life wouldn't be blowing away Iraqi families, letting kids starve to death after they are born, etc.

[cags]

19. So what would you label me?

No smart ass comments please.

Really how should people like me be labeled?

*anti-abortion(not based on any religious belief)
*Low cost and free contraceptives for teens without parental permission
*Plan B over the counter
*Real sex education in schools instead of the "abstinence only" crap
*Better support and care for young and poor mothers
*anti-Death Penalty
*anti-war(unless we are REALLY defending ourselves)
*Full on democrat except for this one issue
*Don't support the pro-life movements because well thier ideas are religion based, don't work and are meant to punish women.
*I have put my money were my mouth is and spent my time supporting young mothers.

I had one poster classify me as Pro-Prevention but I really think all Pro-choicers are also Pro-Prevention so how would you all label me?

[Eileen]

25. That depends on your answer to one specific question.

Do you favor the illegalization of abortion.

If your answer is NO then you are pro choice but willing to work for the real provision of abortion alternatives.

If your answer is YES then you are in favor of the demotion of women to second class status through denial of rights; in favor of the treatment of fetuses as 'persons' entitled to rights that nobody else is constitutionally entitled to; the removal of the right to bodily autonomy from women; the enslavement of women to their biological limitations as defined by others; and the involuntarily forced risk of death and a definite certainty of bodily injury, without knowing to what extent, for life, on fertile women.

You can call that stand whatever you like but it is certainly not in line with the democratic ideology.

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[Just Me]

20. I agree. They are PRO-GOVERNMENT INTRUSION & ANTI-FREEDOM.

In addition to being ANTI-CHOICE.

[namvet73]

21. 100% Pro-Life seems logically impossible!

In the case that giving birth makes death inevitable for the mother, then the choice of being anti-choice is impossible. One must make the choice.

OK, whose life do you terminate the mother or the child?

Why is this question rarely used to challenge anti-choicers?

Even if it is considered martyrdom or saintly to give one's life for the baby, death has been chosen.

[callous taoboy]

22. They are Pro-birth, then it's "may the best man win."

[liveoaktx]

23. Thank you.. I am pro-life, I am ANTI-WAR

[Mystified]

26. Does that mean

That instead of refering to others as pro-choice we should instead say "Pro-Death" or "Anti-Life"?