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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:45 PM
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Guess who DOESN'T hate Joe Lieberman
Edited on Tue Feb-08-05 08:53 PM by bling bling
Planned Parenthood
Women's Rights activitist
Animal protection agencies
Environmental activitists
Unions
Pro-Choice activists
Educators
Scientists

Check out his record with the groups who lobby for our principles to get a better idea of whether or not he's a so-called traitor:

Abortion Issues

2003-2004 On the votes that the National Right to Life Committee considered to be the most important in 2003-2004, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2001 On the votes that the Planned Parenthood considered to be the most important from 1995 to 2001, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

Agriculture Issues

2003-2004 On the votes that the National Farmers Union considered to be the most important in 2003-2004, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2001-2002 On the votes that the National Farmers Union considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 80 percent of the time.

Animal Rights and Wildlife Issues

2003 Based on the votes, and co-sponsorship of legislation the Fund for Animals considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2003 Based on the votes, and co-sponsorship of legislation the The Humane Society of the United States considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2003 Based on the votes, and co-sponsorship of legislation the American Humane Association considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2003 Based on the votes, and co-sponsorship of legislation the Animal Protection Institute considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2003 Based on the votes, and co-sponsorship of legislation the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2003 Based on the votes, and co-sponsorship of legislation the Society for Animal Protective Legislation considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2003 Based on the votes, and co-sponsorship of legislation the Doris Day Animal League considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

Arts and Humanities

2000 On the votes that the Americans for the Arts considered to be the most important in 2000, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

Budget, Spending and Taxes

2003-2004 On the votes that the National Tax Limitation Committee considered to be the most important in 2003-2004, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 3 percent of the time.

2003-2004 On the votes that the Citizens for a Sound Economy considered to be the most important in 2003-2004, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 7 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Americans for Tax Reform considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 5 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the American Shareholders Association considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 18 percent of the time.

2003 According to the National Taxpayers Union, in 2003 Senator Lieberman, on ALL votes dealing with spending, voted to reduce or not increase spending 15 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Citizens Against Government Waste considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 14 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Republican Liberty Caucus - Economic considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 7 percent of the time.

Civil Liberties

2003-2004 On the votes that the American Civil Liberties Union considered to be the most important in 2003-2004, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 83 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Republican Liberty Caucus - Personal Liberties considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 33 percent of the time.

Civil Rights

2004 Based on the votes, co-sponsorhips and other leadership actions that the Arab American Institute considered to be the most important in 2004, Senator Lieberman acted in accordance with their preferred position 50 percent of the time.

2003-2004 On the votes that the Human Rights Campaign considered to be the most important in 2003-2004, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 88 percent of the time.

2003 Based on the votes, co-sponsorhips and other leadership actions that the Arab American Institute considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman acted in accordance with their preferred position 40 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 91 percent of the time.

2001-2002 On the votes that the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 94 percent of the time.

Conservative

Fall 2004 On the votes that the Conservative Index - The John Birch Society considered to be the most important in Fall 2004, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 40 percent of the time.

2004 On the votes that the Eagle Forum considered to be the most important in 2004, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 20 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Christian Coalition considered to be the most important in 2003 , Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Campaign for Working Families considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 7 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the American Conservative Union considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Center for Reclaiming America considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 33 percent of the time.

Crime Issues

1999-2000 On the votes that the Citizens United for Rehabilition of Errants considered to be the most important in 1999-2000, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 50 percent of the time.

Education

2003 On the votes that the National Education Association considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 86 percent of the time.

2002 On the votes that the National Education Association considered to be the most important in 2002, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2002 On the votes that the National School Boards Association considered to be the most important in 2002, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

Environmental Issues

2003-2004 On the votes that the League of Conservation Voters considered to be the most important in 2003-2004, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 56 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Sierra Club considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the American Lands Alliance considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Comprehensive US Sustainable Population considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 60 percent of the time.

2001-2002 On the votes that the National Parks Consevation Association considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

Family & Children Issues

2003-2004 On the votes that the National Parent Teacher Association considered to be the most important in 2003-2004 , Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 60 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Family Research Council considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the National Network for Youth considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2002 On the votes that the American Family Voices considered to be the most important in 2002, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 67 percent of the time.

2001 On the votes that the Children's Defense Fund considered to be the most important in 2001, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 91 percent of the time.

Foreign Aid and Policy Issues

2003 On the votes that the Peace Action considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 10 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Jews for Peace in Palestine and Israel considered to be the most important in 2003, a point system was established for both the Senate and the House. In the Senate, total possible points range from a high of +3 and a low of -4. In the House, points range from +9 to -7. The Jews for Peace in Palestine and Israel assigned Senator Lieberman a score of -1.

2003 On the votes that the U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation considered to be the most important in 2003, a point system was established for both the Senate and the House. In the Senate, total possible points range from a high of +3 and a low of -4. In the House, points range from +9 to -7. The U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation assigned Senator Lieberman a score of -1.

2002-2003 On the votes that the Citizens for Global Solutions considered to be the most important in 2002-2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 69 percent of the time.

2002 On the votes that the American Security Council considered to be the most important in 2002, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 75 percent of the time.

Foreign Policy

2004 On the votes that the Friends Comm. on Nat'l Leg. considered to be the most important in 2004, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Friends Comm. on Nat'l Leg. considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 75 percent of the time.

Gender Issues

2003-2004 On the votes that the American Association of University Women considered to be the most important in 2003-2004, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Business and Professional Women USA considered to be the most important during the 107th Congress, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Concerned Women for America considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

Government Reform

2003-2004 On the votes that the Radical Middle considered to be the most important in 2003-2004, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 65 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Republican Liberty Caucus - Combined considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 20 percent of the time.

Gun Issues

2003-2004 In a 2003-2004 survey given by Gun Owners of America to all state legislative candidates, Senator Lieberman answered their preferred position 10 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence considered to be the most important as of 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 90 percent of the time. These scores are cumulative for each representative's time in their current office. The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence considered votes from 1988-2003 in the House and 1991-2003 in the Senate when determining these scores.

Health

2003 On the votes that the American Public Health Association considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2001 On the votes that the American Medical Association considered to be the most important in 2001, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2001 On the votes that the The Leukemia & Lymphoma Society considered to be the most important in 2001, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

Housing and Property Issues

2003 On the votes that the League of Private Property Voters considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

Immigration

2002 On the votes that the American Immigration Lawyers Association considered to be the most important in 2002, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

2001 On the votes that the Californians for Population Stabilization considered to be the most important in 2001, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

Labor

2003-2004 On the votes that the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees considered to be the most important in 2003-2004, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2003-2004 On the votes that the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers considered to be the most important in 2003-2004, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Non Commissioned Officers Association considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 33 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Transportation Communications Union considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the United Auto Workers considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 85 percent of the time. Those who supported or provided other assistance in connection with a UAW organizing drive are given an extra 10% bonus.

2003 On the votes that the AFL-CIO considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 83 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 33 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Workplace Fairness considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 20 percent of the time.

Legal Issues

2001-2002 On the votes that the American Bar Association considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

1999-2000 On the votes that the American Bar Association considered to be the most important in 1999-2000, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

Liberal

2004 On the votes that the Americans for Democratic Action considered to be the most important in 2004, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 75 percent of the time.

2003-2004 On the votes that the Public Citizen's Congress Watch considered to be most important in 2003-2004, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 35 percent of the time. The following ratings are based on the votes the organization considered most important; the numbers reflect the percentage of time the representative voted the organization's preferred position.

2003 On the votes that the U.S. Public Interest Research Group considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 81 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the National Committee for an Effective Congress considered to be the most important in the first quarter of 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 95 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Americans for Democratic Action considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 70 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the State PIRGs Working Together considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 81 percent of the time.

National Journal

2003 According to the National Journal - Conservative on Economic Policy's calculations, in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted more conservative on economic policy issues than 33 percent of the Senators.

2003 According to the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy's calculations, in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted more liberal on social policy issues than 75 percent of the Senators.

2003 According to the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score's calculations, in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted more liberal on economic, defense and foreign policy issues than 71 percent of the Senators.

2003 According to the National Journal - Liberal on Economic Policy's calculations, in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted more liberal on economic policy issues than 66 percent of the Senators.

Science and Medical Research
2002 On the votes that the Information Technology Industry Council considered to be the most important in 2002, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

Senior and Social Security Issues


2003 On the votes that the Alliance for Retired Americans considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2001-2002 On the votes that the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

Social Issues

2003 On the votes that the Population Connection considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the NETWORK, A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 80 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Population Action International considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

Trade Issues

2001-2002 On the votes that the CATO Institute--Center for Trade Policy Studies considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 36 percent of the time.

Veterans Issues


2003-2004 On the votes that the Vietnam Veterans of America considered to be the most important in 2003-2004, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the The American Legion considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

2000 On the votes that the Military Officers Association of America considered to be the most important in 2000, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

Source: Project Vote Smart
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:46 PM
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1. Everybody your listed is welcome to their opinion
Edited on Tue Feb-08-05 08:47 PM by Walt Starr
I think he's a piece of shit DINO.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:47 PM
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2. I'm a scientist.
I think Joe Leiberman's a god damned freeper. He wasn't content trolling on messageboards, so he went and got elected.

Fuck him.
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:47 PM
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3. Lieberman has stated he wants the U.S. to invade Iran
That is NOT the position of a true Democrat.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:48 PM
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4. Well I'm guessing these guys don't hate him anymore....
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illini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:49 PM
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5. Not me!
Joe licks up to the likes of Sean I'm a fascist stooge Hannity. That is reason enough. It isnt just how he votes its how he acts.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:49 PM
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6. All well and good, but he still makes my skin crawl
Sorry, he sold me out here in my own city. Told me I shouldn't expect to be allowed to be free of religion coming from my government.
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LiberalinNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:53 PM
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7. Is he the next fox employee????
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:54 PM
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8. Thanks for posting the information.....I guess it begs the question
Do we judge someone by his actions over a long period of time, or by his actions recently?

I dunno.

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:55 PM
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9. I don't hate Joe Lieberman. I just disagree with him on the war.
:shrug:
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:59 PM
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16. agree...
...he's actually a nice fellow, and as indicated by his votes, FAR more a Democrat than Zell, and heck, about 7 or 8 other "Democratic" senators. But I disagree with him on foreign policy.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:16 PM
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32. You like the way he made up the hit list of progressive professors
with Lynn Cheney?? He's a POS.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:56 PM
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38. he did not.
in the 90s, he agreed to be on the board of that stupid organization with Lynn Cheney. Maybe he deserves criticism for hanging out with her in the first place, but you make it sound like he wrote that report. In fact, he did not. Not only did his name appear nowhere on it, but he wrote a letter denouncing it and requesting the organization stop listing him as a founder once it came out.

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Stirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:55 PM
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10. Joe Lieberman makes Alan Colmes look like Che Guevarra.
Pardon me- I had an attack of Dennis Miller templatized humor.
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:56 PM
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11. Thanks for posting this. We should not be eating our own...
I believe we should spend our valuable time combating the Bush* coup leaders, not eating our own. I expect the Democratic Party to have a BIG umbrella and attract all kinds of Americans. While I disagree with Lieberman on several issues, I embrace him as an American who tries to do the right thing. Can anyone say the same about Bush*? I didn't think so.

First things first - to get Bush* and his cabal out, we need UNITY. So, if you don't have something nice to say about Joe, don't say anything at all. (That's my own mantra, not one I'm imposing on others.)

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illini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:59 PM
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15. I agree somewhat but when your talking about someone who licks Hannity's..
oh nevermind.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:16 PM
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24. bollocks! they tried Vidkun as well as Hermann!
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 10:34 PM
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28. With all due respect friend, your about 12 steps ahead of yourself.
The reference to WWII only holds so much weight, because the German people didn't rise up against the Nazi regime. It haunts them to the day they die, and it has influenced her children greatly. The German people is a very diciplined culture, great in her military might, but they have gone through a much needed period of pacification.

What we are trying to do is different than Germany in the 1930s. We want to stop our government from her mistakes BEFORE the rest of the world must quell our warmongering.

To do that, we must befriend our neighbors and gather in numbers.

I don't want to be known as an American of the 21st Century is it will be compared to being a German in the 1930s. I don't think any of us do.

Keo
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:57 PM
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12. Are you a member of his family or merely on his payroll?
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:03 PM
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18. Neither.
I've seen thread after thread denouncing Lieberman and calling for him to be ousted from the party.

I did some research and found that he represents me with his votes on many, many issues that are important to me.

I don't understand why we would want to oust him. If we don't agree with his position on foreign policy it would serve us better to write letters urging him to change his view, rather than calling for him to leave the Dems and join the Repubs.
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illini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:57 PM
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13. Did I mention he sucks up to Sean"im a fascist stooge" Hannity.
nt
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:57 PM
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14. You Forgot Joe Lieberman!
He loves Joe.

Some of us take issue and will try to replace him in 06.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:00 PM
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17. Okay. Fox News loves him, and Bush even kisses him.
Hannity has professed his admiration for him numerous times, as has Joe Scarborough.

I wonder if the families of all the Americans and Iraqis needlessly slaughtered in Iraq love him and his tireless promotion of Bush's wars?
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:04 PM
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19. Lieberman does have good ratings from: NARAL, NAACP, Planned Parenthood
And some other interest groups, no question about that!

BUT, he is very PRO war, IMO. This concerns me. He seems to have somewhat of a NEOCON war mentality. He praises Bush for the job he is doing in Iraq. He even did this DURING THE CAMPAIGN! This did NOT help Kerry and Edwards.

I also do not like the way he panders to the Repubs.

And what is the deal with him endorsing that water board torture deal?
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BlueInRed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:07 PM
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20. What the heck is going on, is it Joe's birthday or something
What's with the coordinated Pro-Joe campaign? Is it his birthday?

Seriously, people here have been paying attention to him for 4 years on major votes and on the TV shows and have their impressions from that.

I've seen a couple of other Project Vote Smart bios that make DLCers seem liberal. Does anyone know who compiles the information for Vote Smart? This came up on another senator, and when I got into it, I found a lot of negative stuff on the person (who will remain nameless, it's not Joe), but none of it showed up on Vote Smart as his official positions. I didn't think much of it the first time, but I now I'm wondering. Anyone know how they decide which votes to list, etc?
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:09 PM
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21. He's a mixed bag, but
we could (and should) do better than him.

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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:14 PM
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22. so called "moderates" are not worthy of admiration
Edited on Tue Feb-08-05 09:15 PM by wuushew
moderation is simply the mathetical average between fascism and progressivism. Come join Jesus and Ghandi down the lower left quadrant.


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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:16 PM
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23. Anyone who voted for Gonzalez voted for torture ...
and disgraced this Nation.

Joe can take a flying leap.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:22 PM
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25. Hello 9/11 changed everything in case you haven't heard
Edited on Tue Feb-08-05 09:24 PM by Generator
I mean that in the way that it really did because Bush made sure it did.

Honestly, if we have no country left due to a budget that supports nothing but an endless war in the pursuit of weapons that don't exist and terrorists that are never going to stop being made then those other votes are no longer the story.

The story is what you do NOW to stop this country from turning into a one party fascist state very much modeled on the old cold war Russia. Remember they had no social services either-it all went to the military.

It's not enough anymore. There is a bigger dragon to fight. To me that's the point. And Lieberman promotes the fear and guns before butter agenda by being pro-war. He has an agenda, and I think it has more to do with the survival of the state of Israel than New Jersey. Does anybody have the balls to say this? It's about Israel. It's about getting rid of the threats to Israel. Yes, Saddam was a threat to Israel. He was no threat to the US. And neither is Iran. That's his ideology and he's going to go with Bush all the way down the line for every war there is.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:30 PM
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26. Strange that Project Vote Smart no longer has current links
would have been nice to cross compare the voting records.

http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=S0421103
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:32 PM
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27. I am sending money to his primary opponent
whenever his or her name is announced.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 10:37 PM
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29. George Bush LOVES Holy Joe...good buddies, y'know...
Kissy, kissy...
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 10:55 PM
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30. Thanks for your post, Bling Bling. I advocate tolerance of reality.
I'm happy to stand beside you in my endeavor to correct misdirected energies.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3049818

The truth of our world in 2005 is unpleasant to say the least, but we must distinguish our friends from our enemies, now more than ever.

I count any American who strives to re-establish our Democracy and protect our children at war as a friend right now. Zell Miller chose his side, just as Robert E. Lee did over a century ago. Joe Lieberman has stayed with his fellow Americans while maintaining contacts with the most secretive Administration ever. We need contacts like this today.

The fact that a person who I count as a fellow-American has the ear of Bush* is, in my opinion, a dangerous realm to live in, but it still works in our favor as his voting record proves. Any effort to undermine that could be better spent on making friends with the many good and innocent Americans who have been so terribly misled about their situation. Among those Americans is my entire family!

Anyway, thanks again for your post.

Keo
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:28 PM
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33. Thanks for your reply.
I may disagree with Lieberman where Iraq and Gonzales are concerned, but we agree on many other things I consider to be extremely important. I'm not ready to throw him to the wolves, especially at such a critical time. And I agree with you about Zell. He campaigned for Bush and I will never forgive him. He's definitely not a Democrat in my eyes.

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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:12 PM
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31. You can post this until you are blue in the face
and it won't do a damn bit of good. Ironically I have more respect for Liberman on this war (due to him actually believing in it) than I do for many others who voted for it for political reasons. But, I have to say his vote for Gonzales was not good. Unless he has never voted against any cabinet appoitment he really should have voted against him.
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:45 PM
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34. Yes, I am seeing that it doesn't seem to do any good.
I was hoping to reach people who perhaps didn't realize how strongly he supported many of the issues that we all generally deem very important. From the negative threads about him I've read, it appears as though he votes with the Republicans the majority of the time. That's simply not true.

That was the reasoning behind my posting this because I rarely, if ever, hear anything here about his voting record that is positive.

I was against Reid being the minority leader from the beginning due to his stand on abortion. But I never thought he should be ousted from the party. And if he can bring some positive things to the party, I will still be able to appreciate him for those particular positive things that he does, despite the fact that I vehemently disagree with him on the abortion issue.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:53 PM
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36. Its a matter of trust
Joe has violated too many issues for too many people. I for one cannot trust him any longer. His voting record has little baring on my trust of the man. In fact his voting record makes him even more problematic. He has a strong voting record and yet he seems to be paying lipservice to opposing ideas. One hardly knows what he stands for or represents.

He violated my trust in 2000. I can simply not trust him any longer. I understand others may still hold some trust for him and they may be at a loss why others don't trust him any longer.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:55 PM
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37. I am a veteran of trying to do exacly what you did here
and it sadly doesn't work. Liberman is vastly more liberal than any Republican currently in the Senate and is pretty liberal over all. Yet, his high profile role on the war and a few other issues is all people see. It is like Byrd in reverse. Byrd is horrible on gays, the enviroment, and on many other issues but his high profile opposition to the war makes him a hero here. Byrd isn't as good as he gets credit for here and Liberman isn't as bad.
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 12:09 AM
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39. Well, I guess it wasn't a complete waste of time,
It was nice hearing from a couple people that I'm not alone on this issue here. And I have to admit that in spite of myself, I did get a chuckle out of some of the funnier one-liner responses.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:53 PM
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35. Somebody give Mr leiberman a Cookie
He's earned no less.
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