Democratic Debate on Fox (Thread #2)

[Emboldened Chimp]

Keep it going!

[sham]

1. Q to Edwards:

Revise or repeal patriot act?

Edwards: Major revisions.

[jab105]

2. What channel?

I cant find it?

[TSIAS]

3. FOX News Channel

[arcane1]

4. I gotta admit, this is the BEST night of Fox programming ever

more Bush bashing than they have ever shown in the past 2 years!

:bounce:

[spooky3]

75. the questions are great; the candidates

are great; I am shocked at how good this is. And, Al Sharpton is kicking a**.

[sham]

5. Dean not letting the mods put words in his mouth re: Israel

"We have to be trusted by both sides... Need renewable energy policy so we can stop buying Saudi oil... Saudis teaching children in Islamic world to hate Americans."

[TSIAS]

6. Another disruptor in the audience

During Joe's address.

[Heddi]

7. i think I heard them screaming something about

"Where's LaRouche" and someone (I dont know who) said "Probably in Jail" ha ha

[sfecap]

14. Dean said "probably in jail...."

n/t

[Heddi]

23. ha! I didn't know who it was

the TV is on, but behind me, so I can't see....

[Emboldened Chimp]

Dammit, another one!

What's with these hecklers?

I heard LaRouche's name, though. Idiots.

[Astarho]

8. Thoughts about disrupters

Is Fox letting them rant to throw the candidates off and to show what a bunch of crackpots the Dems attract? It is FOX after all.

[spooky3]

87. no, the questioners have urged the

candidates to talk over them but the candidates have waited (probably
because they don't want to use up their allotted time and not be heard).

[Rowdyboy]

9. Good format for the Dems...

Chance to kick Bush* nearly full time...

Though Lieberman, Kerry, Edwards and Gephart were hit pretty hard by Graham and Kucinich for voting for the war resolution. Everyone but Lieberman is kicking ass.

[Sean Reynolds]

10. "Where's LaRouche?"

Who said I'm guessing jail? Was it Dean?

[morningglory]

35. Dean said "...in jail"

nt

[absolutezero]

56. rotflmao

larouche belongs in prison...so do his supporters...raving nutjobs

[dean4america]

11. Yeah, Fuck Joe Lieberman

get his ass off the stage.

[Rooktoven]

12. Joe with the shots on Dean on Israel

quel surprise.

[sham]

13. anybody listen to Rush today?

did he tell his listeners to do this? sounds like something he would do.

Sharpton asks for respect, it is a historic night for the CBC. Go Al!!!

[jenk]

18. FOX got what it wanted, the debate is now a circus

to disrupt the debate and make it a circus. Guess what they'll lead with tomorrow.

"Hecklers turn Dems into laughingstocks" or something like this.

[dean4america]

15. Dean slapping Joe around

and looks good doing

Don't "demagogue" this issue.


Love it. Love it. Love it.

[gardenista]

Go Dean! Go Sharpton!

Good for Sharpton standing up for order!

And Dean handled Leiberman's attacks beautifully.

[Sean Reynolds]

16. DEAN PUNKED JOE!

[Cha]

21. And what did Dean say?

[Sean Reynolds]

33. Said we shouldn't demagogue the issue.

Talked about how BOTH countries are hurting and that we can't side.

[Orangepeel]

36. "I'm disappointed in you, Joe"

"My position is the same as Bill Clinton's, we need to be perceived as an honest broker (Joe interrupts)
I didn't interrupt you, don't demagogue this issue, we're all Democrats, here
Israeli's can't send their kids to school without worrying about whether or not they'll come back, 80% of Palestinians live below the poverty line. We need peace in the Middle East and we need to beat George Bush to do it"

(more or less)

[Gloria]

85. Dean 's retort to Lieberman was EXCELLENT!! And where does

Lieberman get off with "forgetting" that Clinton always pushed the concept of "honest broker." It's not a NEW idea...Of course, the question was framed to push the direction toward "do you mean shouldn't be a friend of Israel?"

Dean seems to be speaking very well tonight...less swallowing of his words.....

[Rooktoven]

17. slap down!

Joe is committing political suicide

[Clete]

24. He got boo'ed too.

He should drop out now. He's not going to be the nominee.

[Jawja]

31. Holy Joe

brings up President Clinton, who he condemned on the Senate floor! :mad:

Clinton was the type of trusted "broker" that Dean is referring to.

[sfecap]

19. Lieberman is truly a pathetic asshole.

Not even courteous.

Wants to argue his point w/Dean.

Shameful.

Getting booed now. He is pathetic.

[MindPilot]

28. Kerry: Did the president know what he was reading

In effect, * is one dumb mofo

[sham]

20. fuck you Joe!!!

if our Israel policy hasn't worked after 50 years, THEN WE NEED A FUCKING CHANGE!!!

[dean4america]

29. the Pragmatic Doctor

makes A LOT of COMMON SENSE on the issue. It will go over well.

[Cocoa]

71. and it's great to have someone say it

someone as prominent as Dean. I'm glad he's not backing down.

[Emboldened Chimp]

22. Joe getting NO respect

booes, no clapping. Why doesn't he just get off the stage?

[RichV]

Response to Joe

Clap....
Clap....
Clap.

<cough>

[tedoll78]

27. I can't see or hear it,

but it sounds like Joe is raising Dean's profile even MORE. Doing us a favor.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

32. What a loser

He looked like a fool, and the audience was dead silent. Go Dean!

He's serving to make Dean's I/P stance look downright leftist!

[jos]

25. Lieberman is the scum of the earth

He's totally distorting Dean's position, and is demogaguing the issue.

[poskonig]

26. Joe got smacked down pretty hard by Dean.

Dean told him not to demogogue the issue; we're all Democrats.

[Khephra]

30. FUCK YOU JOE!

You can't even let Dean answer your attack, now can you? Because you fucking know that he was right--that IS Clinton's policy. You're the one changing things!

I'd never vote for Lieberman now. NEVER.

I've never called him a DINO...

He's fucking worse. He's a weasel.

[arcane1]

37. Maybe Joe will give Rove another anti-Dean soundbite?

like the "Dean Depression"

Joe needs a good flogging

[dean4america]

41. Dean coming out of the debate will look GREAT

"Frontrunner attacked, remains Presidential"

"Dean bitch-slaps Lieberman"

Two highlights I'd like to see :)

[RevolutionStartsNow]

53. LOL

"Lieberman voted out of Democratic Party"

[imax2268]

34. What the hell is Lieberman's problem...?

He keeps going after Dean...he did the same thing in the last debate...?

[jos]

43. He'll probably head up Democrats for Bush

He sounds like a Likudnick mole for Bush.

[Atlant]

81. I doubt it, but...

I doubt it, but he certainly doesn't seem to have played his
cards very well, starting in about November of 2000, when
he decided that throwing the election would give him a
better shot at the Presidency.

Atlant

[sfecap]

44. He has no hope of winning the nomination....

...so he's working for bushco.

He got Rove's memo.

What a pathetic, sad, classless asshole....

[Atlant]

48. No problem, he just isn't a Democrat in the way we understand Democrats.NT

[eleny]

38. Kerry's in trouble

with his faltering responses about his vote giving the prez so much authority.

[newsguyatl]

42. yeh

that was pretty pathetic... he was bumbling

[gristy]

39. Lieberman is a disruptor in the DU sense of the word

Is he not?

[Woodstock]

40. LIEberman, YOU SUCK!!!!!!!

And some moderators - he gets to trash Dean left and right without restriction on time at all???

YOU SUCK, LIE man.

[UTUSN]

46. Round 3, GEP "How many have to lose jobs before Shrub does"

[Atlant]

55. A great line from Gep! (NT)

[dean4america]

47. Gephardt is better when he's not screaming

very nicely answering this question about tax cuts and jobs,.

[quam]

45. This Gives Extra Time to Dean and Lieberman...

What of the other candidates? Does Edwards obtain additional speaking time by attacking another candidate?

I am not sure if the format fairly distributes time proportionally among the candidates.

[Rooktoven]

63. Have you noticed Edwards never attacks his opponents

Not Dems anyway...

[FubarFly]

49. Gep: Americans won't get jobs back until b*sh loses his.

[SweetZombieJesus]

50. Gep must have new speechwriters

Though I think he stole that line from Sharpton about "How many Americans have to lose their jobs before Bush loses his?"

[imax2268]

54. Kucinich(sp?)

is sound calm and relaxed...I like what he has to say so far...

[UTUSN]

57. DK: "Getting rid of this health care for profit"

All of the candidates have polished, catchy slogans going.

[Atlant]

62. Gep always gives greatt speeches. It's on the job that he collapses. (NT)

[Rooktoven]

51. So far (IMO)

Gep, Kerry, DK and esp Lieberman not helping themselves.

(Gep too loud, DK sniping, Kerry not coherent, and Joe, well...)

[dean4america]

59. how is Dean not looking good?

he just smacked down Lieberman and answered his questions well.

[Rooktoven]

72. My mistake I meant Lieberman.

Will edit.

[Atlant]

88. Mistaking those two is a bad sign! :-) (NT)

[blm]

69. JK just lost his place halfway thru

one answer. He recovered quickly, but, noone expects him to fumble at all so it seems more glaring.

[nostamj]

52. well, now I can RELAX

LIEBERMAN is finished. utterly, absolutely FINISHED.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

58. Meanwhile, Newt endorsed him last night on FOX

So there you go.

[nostamj]

78. if a NEWT endorsement means DEM votes

I am going OVER THE BRIDGE.

maybe see 42nd STREET one more time but then.... OVER THE BRIDGE

[tedoll78]

61. And he's doing his enemy a huge favor.

Dean's handling this well, I hear..

Is he showing that infamous anger?

[sham]

64. No, he isn't!

He's being quite calm. Slapped down Lieberman in a very presidential manner. :)

[tedoll78]

67. Excellent!

I always get nervous during these things.

[Atlant]

66. Juan wishing African Americans would vote Repub -- In your dreams, Juan!NT

Sharpton clobbered Juan and his idiotic suggestion!

[FubarFly]

83. Weasel Alert: Juan Williams

Asking Braun: (paraphrased) Dean doesn't support control for rural white states like Vermont or Montana but does in black urban areas. Do you think like Dean that blacks and whites should have seperate gun laws.

[Atlant]

73. Oh, there'll still be bozos who support him. :-(

[sham]

60. To DK: How to preserve American jobs?

DK attacking health care for profit.
"Americans can't afford to be sick."
"Americans being deprived of quality healthcare."
Healthcare for all will restore the the American worker.

[UTUSN]

65. SHARPTON - "marriage or a break-up" re: Dem Party (mistress)

[sham]

68. Al on Dems' treatment of blacks:

We took you to the dance and you left with someone else!

[Jackhammer Jesus]

70. Sharpton puts the mack on black voters

"If we take you to the party you're going home with us!"

[Rooktoven]

82. I sincerely hope Al backs the eventual nominee

(fingers crossed)

[stickdog]

74. Lieberman's campaign has now been officially sacrificed on the ABD altar.

Anybody But Dean.

Well, the spoiler role suits Joe well. He sure smells the part.

[tedoll78]

79. From the sound of it though..

he's sacrificed himself all for naught.

[SweetZombieJesus]

76. Man, what a bullshit question

Gee Juan, way to make Dean look like a racist for his gun control views. What a bullshit, loaded question.

[UTUSN]

EDWARDS opposed to Vouchers - Applause

"It's personal to me: I would not be standing here today without a good public school education."

[Starpass]

77. Not watching (don't get Fox) but it seems for your descriptions that

Fox is featuring Dems destroying Dems----and that's a great victory for who?? (does the name start with B and end with "ush"?). I think they are making sure anyone who is a real threat to Bush doesn't get much airtime. That should tell you who Bush WANTS as an opponent.

[gardenista]

80. What is Juan Williams trying to pull with that gun control question?

He asks Moseley-Braun "Howard Dean says that white states like Montana don't need gun control, but black urban areas like Baltimore and Washington DC do." That is such a mischaracterization!

[RevolutionStartsNow]

84. I like John Edwards

Just had to say that.

[sham]

86. Edwards on vouchers:

I'm opposed, always has been.
Pres. is leaving millions of children behind. Still have two separate public school systems. (Haves & have nots.) I wouldn't be standing here today w/o great public schools. Pay teachers more. *applause* Make college available to anyone willing to work for it. *more applause*

[newsguyatl]

89. edwards

has impressed me in every single debate...


so calm, collected, respectful and passionate...

[GBD4]

90. Dean's sticker

what is on Dean's jacket?

[Emboldened Chimp]

91. These are shit questions!

They're obviously designed to split the Dem base, particularly minorities.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

92. Dean kicked ass on that question

about Dean not getting black voters because he's from VT.

"If that were true, then Trent Lott would be Martin Luther King" Huge applause.

Also was able to refute the gun control question.

He hit that one OUT OF THE PARK, in my opinion.

[Woodstock]

93. ROCK ON, DEAN!!!

That was a great line.

Since when do the other frontrunners have such great African American followings?

Sick of the dissing him because of Vermont.

Dean is great with African Americans - I've seen this. And they know it. So bogus to keep bringing this up.

[Atlant]

94. Dean: "If the percentage of minority voters... Trent Lott would be MLK!"

And outstanding line in rebuttal to why he, even though he's from VT,
can connect with minority voters. And he went on to his "White
people need to talk to other white people about race" line.

Atlant

[gristy]

95. I liked Moseley Braun's reference to gun "pushing"

in the cities.

Disruption in the audience now... Glad the moderators suspended action on the stage during the disruption.