from Sen. Coburn's mouth: slicone breast implants make you healthier

[donsu]

http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/2005/02/002885.html


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Boob of the Day:

Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK), a new member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, was at last week's meeting on a bill restricting class-action suits. "You know," he said, "I immediately thought about silicone breast implants and the legal wrangling and the class-action suits off that. And I thought I would just share with you what science says today about slicone breast implants. If you have them, you're healthier than if you don't. That is what the ultimate science shows...In fact, there's no science that shows that silicone breast implants are detrimental and, in fact, they make you healthier."
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name these scientists that think breast implants are healthier!!!

Coburn must be making money off of faux breasts in some way.

I'd like to stick a slicone breast implant down his throat.

[WildClarySage]

1. Well, his boss is a boob...

[paineinthearse]

59. His "boss" is the collective population of the sate of Oklahoma.

I'm sure there are a few, but please don't classify all state citizens as boobs.

[MaineYooper]

62. the sad thing is

that when you consider who the people of Oklahoma have actually put in the Senate recently (Nickels, Inhofe, and Coburn), you have to wonder about the percentage...

[WildClarySage]

85. Sorry, I am so cynical anymore I guess I don't think of politicians

as being of and for the people, more like of and for corporations and parties. Especially GOP pols.

[RoBear]

86. Once a Republican is elected

he becomes the minion of KKKarl Rove. Make no mistake, his employer is not the people of Oklahoma. It's the repugs in power. Oh, he'll come home every six years or so and pretend he's representing you, BUT HE'S NOT! He's representing the BFEE and Dubya's boyfriend Karl.

[auburngrad82]

2. I think he means healthy as in "well now, there's a healthy young lady!"

Wink, wink, nod, nod.

[w4rma]

3. How on Earth would implanting two bags of silicone under your skin

be more healthy than not undergoing surgery to implant these bags of silicone that could bust open?

[blurp]

75. Don't know why, BUT MAY ACTUALLY BE TRUE.

Brinton, L.A., et al. (2001). "Mortality among augmentation mammoplasty patients." Epidemiology, 12(3), 321-326.

"...women who underwent elective cosmetic surgery generally were healthier than their peers in the general population."

Remember, we're liberals and that means keeping an open mind.

[purduejake]

76. GENERALLY healthier.

I suspect that the population who had silicone leaking into their body were the ones who weren't as healthy as people without them. Even if some are healthier for the time being, it takes nothing away from those who have suffered and continue to suffer from health problems as a result of the material.

[TrogL]

80. Cause and effect

Women who have money tend to be healthier.

Women who have money can afford breast implants.

[Fleshdancer]

96. exactly...also, don't forget the vanity aspect....

I have no numbers to back up my claim, but the people I know who have had elected cosmetic surgery are all very body conscience...at the gym all the time, etc.

Why this Representative would mention silicone implants specifically is beyond me though...there's probably some silicone implant company based out of OK that is in the process of begging for FDA clearance.

[Roland99]

84. Perhaps because they are probably better off, financially

and can afford preventive healthcare?

[ContraBass Black]

88. Well, there was that instance of a silicone implant deflecting a bullet...

:D

[Blue_Tires]

4. ugh...6 more years of this mental vomit

the great state of oklahoma has a LOT to answer for

[Zenlitened]

5. So, when is he getting a pair of silicone breast implants?

I mean, if that's the key to good health, it'd be crazy not to, right?

Here's to your health, Senator Tom!

Silicone Induced Necrosis

[Ezlivin]

6. What about us men?

I love my man tits, but I'm ready to upgrade.

[txaslftist]

16. yuck yuck yuck ... put them away!

[V Lee]

41. Watch it! You're going to put someone's eye out with those.

[ClintonTyree]

52. That's gross,you're a sick puppy

but that's what makes DU such a great place, different opinions. Some opinions are better than others, if you know what I mean. ;)

[Behind the Aegis]

7. See, see...this is what I am talking about!

This asshole is an Okla-HELL-ma senator! See what your poor blue bothers and sisters have to endure in this hate-filled, assbackwards state?! The DNC should have a grant/loan program that helps "blue people" relocate from these places, if they so choose!

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

10. OMG, are you actually stuck in that state with this freak??? nt

[Behind the Aegis]

11. Yes I am!!!

To make it worse, I am in a small town (they think of it as a city). I cannot find a job back on the East Coast and have been out of work almost 21 months now, so just up and moving is not an option! If I had the means there would be a new Dust Bowl in Oklahoma because it would be all the dust kicked up by me fleeing the state!

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

13. My deepest sympathies...Seriously.

Have you ever considered health care careers? There are some of the nation's largest university medical centers in the North east that are ALWAYS hiring. Not just nurses, either, but computer professionals, research associates, business backgrounds, etc. Maybe it's an avenue you hadn't explored.

Come to Pennsylvania (Pittsburgh or Philadelphia) and help vote out Ricky Santorum in 06!!!!

Just trying to help you escape.:toast:

[asjr]

8. I wonder how this simpleton would feel about

it if he had a penile implant and something went wrong.

[ClintonTyree]

53. I doubt he has a penis...................

he probably cut it off. "It's dirty, unclean, god don't like it"!

[ContraBass Black]

95. Aacck! Bad image.

I shudder violently at the suggestion. :scared:

[BiggJawn]

9. RFID chips are made of silicon, aren't they?

So if he can sell the idea that rubber bags of the stuff are good for you, then how far would be to lead the Murkan Sheeple into believing little chips of the shit under your skin are good for you, too....

[rman]

18. "silicone" / "silicon"

"Silicon is a chemical element, the basic stuff of which microchips are made. Silicones are plastics and other materials containing silicon, the most commonly discussed example being silicone breast implants. Less used by the general public is “silica“: an oxide of silicon."

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/errors/silicon.html

[BiggJawn]

23. Oh, I see....

I always thought it was "Silicone", as "Sili" from "Silicon", and "Cone", as in "Gee, what a nice set of cones she has!"
:evilgrin:

[pelagius]

49. There is an old semiconductor industry explanation...

...of the difference between the two materials:

Silicone is seductive; silicon is conductive.


It wasn't all that funny way back when, either, so apologies if that hasn't aged well.

[ContraBass Black]

94. I like it.

[GRLMGC]

12. Only if you were lost at sea w/ only your breasts as floating devices

Otherwise, I highly doubt it.

[theboss]

14. Can we get this put in health books for high school seniors?

Just askin'.

(Oh, I kid. I kid. I prefer the natural ones).

[txaslftist]

15. I'm sorry, your thread title made me laugh...

...exactly WHAT was in his mouth?

[donsu]

91. garbage speak

nt

[Bluebear]

17. 'Women are healthier if they please their menfolk"

"Iff'n they look better for us mebbe they won't get whupped."

[rman]

19. slip of the tongue?

"...there's no science that shows that silicone breast implants (...) make you healthier."

Is this a case where, as Paul Krugman puts it "they are carefull to phrase the things they say so that they are litteraly true, just misleading." ?

[Colorado Blue]

20. This is the genius who objected to the nudity in

Schindler's List.

[oasis]

21. Coburn should have a silicone brain implant to replace that worthless goo

in his noggin.

[plcdude]

22. we in Oklahoma

need to start proceeding against this guy. He is unstable. He performed a tubal ligation without permission from the patient, accused a small high school of lesbian recruiting, and now we have this comment. And he is a doctor for heaven's sake. Can you get rid of your senator and if so how so?

[melv]

24. and don't forget

he called the Cherokee Tribe "not real Indians."

Yes, we in OKneed to get rid of him. I don't know how the hell he got elected anyway. WAIT, oh yeah, we ran Brad Carson. crum.

[WoodrowFan]

34. not real Indians??

I missed that one. Why aren't they? Are they Faux Indians??

:eyes:

[oasis]

29. Do Oklahoman's have referendum, recall or initiative in the constitution?

Some states do not let the people have that power.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

90. My god.. this guy is a doctor!

He must be an uncaring, lying bastard. I originally thought he was an idiot, but that wouldn't make sense being that he managed to become a doctor.

[KamaAina]

43. But then how would we dispose of the worthless goo?

We do have toxic waste disposal laws in this country, you know... don't we? :-)

[juslikagrzly]

25. Jeebus H. Christ, can we blue Oklahomans endure much more

of this psychotic asshole?

I recently visited the Cleveland Clinic and my doctor there actually mentioned the rat bastard.

It's inescapable! Help us!

[MaineYooper]

63. you have my deepest sympathies...

especially when you consider that Coburn could be called "the smarter Oklahoma senator", given that the alternative is Inhofe.

[PleadTheFirst]

26. Can mandatory breast implants for American women be far behind?

:bounce: :bounce:





Sorry, I'm tired.
I really need another cup of coffee, or a nap.

I'll shut up now.

:evilfrown:

[NewJeffCT]

27. Yup, D cups across the board

strippers everywhere will be put out of business... maybe that is part of the RW plan?

[ClintonTyree]

55. Not for me..................

well, I'm a guy, of course not for me. What I mean is, I wouldn't go near a woman with them. I've seen them, squeezed them and you can keep them. It's like squeezing a volleyball. I'll take real ones any day, no matter the shape or size.

[NewJeffCT]

65. I was being sarcastic

I prefer real ones, too.

[Skittles]

79. seriously?

I have always wondered what they felt like. I have never understood why a woman would elect to have bags of ANYTHING *IMPLANTED* in her chest; I mean, really, it is INSANITY.

[ContraBass Black]

93. As far as a woman's body goes,

Be it hair, eyes, skin tone, or figure,

REAL IS BETTER THAN FAKE.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

57. Don't shut up!

We need sensible voices like yours now, more than ever. Go have that nap and then you'll feel better. And I don't believe that the women of America will allow any legislation that makes mandatory any implants!

[mdhunter]

28. Question. Does anyone know for a fact that he's wrong?

The science regarding silicone breast implants is still out, though it looks as of now that they don't significantly increase risk for the set of conditions for which they initially withdrawn from the market when compared to saline implants.

Further, and I'm sure this is what Coburn is suggesting, that there is some evidence of decreased breast cancer risk in implant patients.

Now, like I said, the science isn't totally in - and I wouldn't advocate for these things to be back on the market until the research and trials are complete, but I don't like a public pillorying without facts.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

30. There is a likely a study floating that shows this; however,

I think that there is probably due to the demographic of the average implantee and whomever they (perhaps the manufacturers of silicone breast implants???) used as a control group.

A collection of 20-30 year old strippers with implants are probably healthier than a collection of 60 year old women who don't have implants.

Women who get implants are probably generally on the youthful side of things - that's all I'm saying before I get singed by flame.

[mdhunter]

32. What you're saying is, of course, true

But I highly doubt that is at issue here. I know that the FDA, IOM and several private research universities, Harvard among them, have done studies on the issue, and for them to fall to such selection bias or other simple epidemiologic error would be unthinkable.

Having said that, Harvard, if I recall correctly, last used the Nurse's study data as of the early 90's, so I'd love to see an updated report. Those younger women who've gotten silicone implants are middle age and beyond by now. And, again, I have no interest in silicone implants per se, but if sufficient time passes where sound studies can demonstrate their safety, and people want them, then it's probably time to at least evalute the situation anew.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

66. Here's the problem...studies are funded by Dow Corning

even the Jama article was a complete DODGE..I worked with an MD that evaluated over 300 breast implant cases...independent studies demonstrate that the larger the implants the more silicone leaches out of them i.e. they don't even need to rupture to cause symptoms.

The way the studies have ditched this issue is to claim that the implants don't cause scleroderma...that is NOT THE ISSUE..the issue is that they cause SOME form of collagen disorder which may, not yet,HAVE a name..the symptoms suffered by the women from the earlier implants i.e. SICCA symptoms are real...they are joint pain, metallic taste in one's mouth headache and other symptoms. The deliberate obfuscation has not helped much.

[Kadie]

33. Those that can afford implants can afford good health care, therefore

they are healthier.

[etherealtruth]

54. Touche

[President Kerry]

69. perfect logic.. just not something Mr. Coburn would have thought of..

good observation :toast:

[TheModernTerrorist]

39. I agree.... however

regardless of the science behind it, he shouldn't be making such "sweeping" comments about it

[mdhunter]

47. Oh, totally.

Nuance is lost on the Republican mind. He is physically unable to have said something like, "In my understanding, the consensus of the currently available literature suggests that, for most major maladies, silicone breast implants do not pose.... (blah blah) ... and I personally feel that now is the time where we as a medical community and legislators might begin to reevaluate their..."

Instead he says, "Large breasts are good. Get them. They'll cure AIDS!"

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

89. So true! n/t

[yardwork]

61. How could there be a decreased risk of cancer from implants?

I'd like to see that study.

There's no way that having surgery for implants decreases anyone's risk of anything. Surgery for anything is inherently risky!

[imenja]

71. that's insane

Women with implants can't effectively conduct a self examination and the implants interfere with mammograms. I wouldn't be surprise if such a study existed, but you can't bet it was paid for by companies that sell silicone implants. Doctors for years insisted that menopausal women take estrogen, when there was no scientific evidence supporting it's efficacy. The research and application of medicine in our society is misogynistic in may ways. Go ahead and stick foreign objects and chemicals in in your own body if you want, but quit conspiring with corporate American to destroy women's bodies. It's horrifying.
By the way, this is the same Senator who performed an involuntary sterilization on a welfare mother. Would you also justify that in terms of "health"?

[imenja]

72. self delete

duplicate, oops

[ThorsHammer]

31. WTF is he talking about?

I would hope that a practicing doctor would know better. I'm a layman, and think it's pretty logical to think that implanting silicone bags that can burst is more dangerous than not implanting them.

[Duncan Grant]

35. There's a certain Senator from OK that needs a brain implant.

How many sides of crazy can this guy land on? Sheesh. :wtf:

[earthboundmisfit]

36. Our other Okla Senator & 4 of our 5 Reps are just as nutty, fundies

& Raptors who all drank the koolaid in communion a LONG time ago. Sen. Inhofe & Rep. Istook are always coming up with some embarrassingly backwoods-ass statement or other, and remember that we've also had Steve Largent and Don Nickles in Washington. What a bunch - and most of this state loves 'em. It is hard to be stuck here and I'd take my kid & escape, if I could afford a tank of gas!

[Duncan Grant]

45. There must be thousands and thousands of wonderful people

from Oklahoma who are far more qualified to be a United States Senator. It's a damn shame they can't get elected.

Good luck with that tank of gas, the 21st century awaits you. :hi:

[Chipper Chat]

42. Can you say "Surgeon General" under President Frist?

OMG, Pass the chloroform please!

[Duncan Grant]

46. Good God, that's terrifying.

What's that ass going to do to develop public health policy - read chicken entrails? :scared:

[Vinca]

37. Take him at his word. He knows boobs!

[TheModernTerrorist]

38. you all misunderstand Coburn

you all forget that what is at the forefront of this man's mind...
I think everyone here is missing the main point Coburn is trying to make... After his statement warning that "lesbianism is so rampant in some of the schools in SE Oklahoma that they'll only let one girl go to the bathroom" I think it's OBVIOUS that he only meant it to be aimed towards the gay community, urging them to be healthy and whatnot... And in his own words, I urge you to "now, think about it!"

[V Lee]

40. If he gets a silicone brain implant will that make him smarter?

The new sex-ed mantra for our children: Get implants, don't use condoms.

Does penis enlargement make you healthier too?

[LiberalinNC]

44. This is great news for breast cancer suvivors...

who have breast inplants....(only kidding of course!)

[TheModernTerrorist]

48. maybe, just maybe

this man is thinking that "if we can get these lesbians some breast implants, more men will find them attractive. And if more men find them appealing, then maybe they themselves will find a man, and therefore stop being homosexual"

afterall, they ARE running rampant through their schools in OK. ;-)

[ClintonTyree]

50. What a fucking tool

How do these idiots get re-elected.............oh, he's from Oklahoma.

I challenge this "moran" to come up with one shred of credible scientific evidence that backs this ridiculous claim up. My best guess is that it is backed up by some pseudo-scientific right wing "think" tank (there's an oxymoron for you, "right wing think tank") or some "faith based" organization that still thinks the story of noah's ark is true.

I'm so damned lucky to have been born, raised and lived a great portion of my 55 years in New York. If I had to live in the regressive, uneducated confines of one of these Red States I'd kill myself.

This man should have a psychiatric evaluation, I believe he's not mentally fit enough to complete his duties in the Senate.

[DRoseDARs]

51. Is the senator planning on getting a pair of D cups for himself too?

Somewhere, Baby Jebus cries.

[Stop_the_War]

56. okay....that's kinda weird...

I never heard that breast implants make you healthier...I wouldn't know since I'm a guy but how can plastic silicone make you healthier? I can see how it could harm you, but help you?

[Kerrytravelers]

58. Well, lets set him up with a rack.

He'd be too busy to do any governmental work. Just like all male chauvanists pugs, he'd spend all day looking at his new pair and touching them.

Ick.

I need to bathe.

[paineinthearse]

60. WP - "In the Loop", Al Kamen, 2/7/05

The story was also in the WP. ==============================================================

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3130-2005Feb6.html

Rx for Doctors: A Dose of Humanity

By Al Kamen
Monday, February 7, 2005; Page A19

Weird Science

Speaking of doctors, physician-Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), a new member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, was at last week's meeting on a bill restricting class-action suits. "You know," he said, "I immediately thought about silicone breast implants and the legal wrangling and the class-action suits off that.

"And I thought I would just share with you what science says today about silicone breast implants. If you have them, you're healthier than if you don't. That is what the ultimate science shows. . . . In fact, there's no science that shows that silicone breast implants are detrimental and, in fact, they make you healthier."

So bigger really is better? Who knew?

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http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/senators/one_item_and_teasers/coburn.htm

Biography

Tom A. Coburn, M.D. was elected to the U.S. Senate November 2, 2004.

<snip>

After the family business was sold, Coburn changed the course of his life by returning to school to become a physician. Again he emerged as a leader, becoming President of his class at the University of Oklahoma Medical School where he graduated in 1983. He then did his internship in general surgery at Saint Anthony's Hospital in Oklahoma City and family practice residency at the University of Arkansas, Fort Smith.

Dr. Coburn returned to Muskogee where he specializes in family medicine, obstetrics and allergy. Dr. Coburn and his associates serve more than 15,000 patients for whom he has personally delivered almost 4,000 babies.

more.......

I can't believe Senator Boob is a physician!

[stavka]

64. Attacking this sort of slip is stupid

let it rest...

[Kerrytravelers]

67. Slip? Basically, this guy doesn't want people to be able to sue

when they've been damaged. It's not about silicone (that's just the funny part) but about this whole "trial lawyer" bs from *.

[LTR]

68. A fake boob supposedly an expert on fake boobs

Why does this all make so much sense?

I can't believe this idiot won.

[melv]

70. I am so embarassed to be from OK. n/t

[WorseBeforeBetter]

77. Awwww...don't feel bad!

I'm from PA and currently live in VA -- there are plenty of loony tunes to go around. But I do have to say, Coburn takes the looniness (is that a word?!) to new levels. I watched Carson once on Meet the Press and wasn't too terribly impressed; but was he truly THAT bad to lose to this wacko?

[imenja]

73. this is the guy who involuntarily sterilized a welfare mother

and defrauded Medicare on the bill. He is somehow a legitimate source of information on public health?

[NurseLefty]

74. AAAAAAAAAAARRRRGRRRRRAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!

I am just about to fucking lose my mind!!!! This goddamned QUACK - how in the hell can he say this?!?! EVERYTHING I have ever learned about implants in general - they impede imaging on mammograms - you can't do a complete self-exam - among other risks, make them NOT a good thing to have unless you absolutely need them. In my book, that means for reconstuction, post-mastectomy. If for vanity, you are risking your health!!
I AM SO FUCKING SICK OF THESE GODDAMNED REPUBLICANS SAYING THAT THE SKY IS GREEN WITH PINK POLKA DOTS, SAYING IT WITH A STRAIGHT FACE! But, should I be more angry at the IDIOTS who believe them?!
OMG OMG OMG
:nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[paineinthearse]

78. Coburn's breasts and Coleman's teeth, what's next????

*'s new brain?

[Liberty Belle]

81. He's an MD who hates women. Read this!

(Plus he's taken big bucks from Dow Chemical, maker of the silicon implants, according to open secrets.org)


Sept. 13th, 2004 cached document from infobong.com:


Good gravy, I feel like I'm newsblogging up a storm tonight, but Salon.com has a crazy story on Tom Coburn, the Republican candidate for the Oklahoma Senate seat, the same guy who supports capital punishment for doctors who perform abortions.

"According to records obtained by Salon, Coburn filed an apparently fraudulent Medicaid claim in 1990, which he admitted in his own testimony in a civil malpractice suit brought against him 14 years ago by a former female patient. The suit alleged that Coburn had sterilized her without her consent... Coburn also revealed under oath that he had charged the procedure to Medicaid -- despite knowing that Medicaid, also known as Title 19, does not cover the cost of sterilization for anyone under age 21."

I hope Oklahomans can distinguish between the evil of liberalism and the evil of sterilizing a poor young woman without her consent. The Sooner State elected a Democrat Brad Henry for governor over former Seattle Seahawk and Republican Steve Largent in 2002, so maybe they exercise some caution when they pick their ultra-right politicians.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:jxW4oE6nJ1YJ:www.infobong.com/archives/cat_news.html+%22Dow+Chemical%22%2B%22Tom+Coburn%22%2B%22campaign%22&hl=en

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[ContraBass Black]

92. Sterilization without consent?

Why isn't he serving a decades long prison sentence for assault and sexual mutilation?

[Maestro]

82. This is the same nut

that called for all abortion doctors to receive the death penalty. I guess he forgot that abortion is legal. He's a nut.

[cornermouse]

83. This is coming from the people who think more arsenic in the

water is acceptable and asbestos lawsuits are frivolous.

[Ellie of Amherst]

87. Yet another stupid white repug male

who proclaims to know what is best for the women folk. I thought these people didn't believe in science, mmmm?