Is Karl Rove gay?

[kentuck]

Does he know Jeff Gannon personally? Is he the person that pulled the strings for "Gannon" to get into the WH press Corps? How well does Bush know the "Gannons" Is that a different family from Jeff Gannons? Is that why Bush came out today and said all the money in the SS fund was "spent" - as a simple but strong diversion from a story that's getting real close to the man in the White House and the former Mayor of Knoxville?? A lot of unanswered questions with this story and Karl Rove may be at the center.

[liberal43110]

1. Probably

I'm pretty sure that Rove was involved in getting Gannon into the WH press conferences

[Warpy]

10. I'm beginning to think that most of them are closeted

After all, most of the virulent right wingers in this country's history have been at least suspected of inhabiting a closet.

Consider men like Roy Cohn...

Closeted, self-loathing gay men and right wing politics are a natural combination, it seems, since the politics encourage them to project that which they see in themselves as weak and feminine onto their opposition and to be as rabid in their opposition as only that sort of thing could possibly make them.

They look crazy because they are crazy.

[kentuck]

2. And Bush appoints Rove as "special advisor" to the president today??

I thought he was already a "special advisor"???? Why?

[paineinthearse]

25. When the terror alert is raised

...we'll know that it was done for political reasons. Before we just speculated.

[Clark2008]

3. Knoxville resident here!

And, just wanted to reiterate - where there's smoke, there's fire.
I like former Mayor Victor Ashe (ambassador now to POLAND - heh isn't that a kick in the teeth), but I know what the rumors are and always were and that was that Victor was gay.
So, there you go.
I don't care. I voted for "The Bulldog," but his marriage has always been seen as convenience.

[latteromden]

4. This is so (*@#(&#*F hilarious. Are a lot of them gay? Probably.

Hypocrites? Ohhh yes. If they are gay, oh, it's just sweet, sweet justice.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

5. Don't pawn that fucker off on us...he's one of yours

See, Kentuck..one of the things you straight folks need to get in your heart of hearts...is this...there are GAY people as in a COMMUNITY of gay people...and then there are strange sex trip Washington types...they are more of the rapist variety ..rather than any sexual identification, their whole identity is wrapped up in POWER and how to ABUSE people with it...it has nothing to do with being gay..it has EVERYTHING to do with control and domination just like rape.

So PLEASE ALL YOU STRAIGHT FOLKS OUT THERE,...please stop asking if these people are gay.....if they are getting blow jobs from men and congressional pages..it is simply because they like to look down on them as those people wrap their lips around their tiny penises knowing they wield so much power that the people sucking them off have no other choice.

Got it?

[Clark2008]

8. Like rape. I get it.

But, there are gay types who fathom to strong politicos like buxom blondes with boobies, too.
You know this!

Edited because my typing overread my spelling!

[autorank]

11. nothingshocksmeanymore, I AGREE TOTALLY!!!

"strange sex trip Washington types" is the way to look at this and it is, I believe, the way it will unfold. When I saw the Iraq torture pics, I immediately thought true believers in violent sex (not DBMS) with some major fetish action. This is not about being gay or even the organized DBMS community, it's about people who really like to hurt and torture people (or be really hurt and tortured, truly so). We are in much worse shape in this country than we ever thought.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

13. Exactly...I prefer the term SADISTIC MOTHERFUCKERS

which is not a term I feel is synonomous with "gay."

[autorank]

18. Has nothing to do with gay. I'm glad you're making this point.

I'm am one highly pissed off hetero dude since the Republicans in my state are chasing off gay friends of mine due to the insane legislation that passed last year...I'm talking about top flight professionals who simply won't live in Virginia with this crap coming down. It cost me a very close friend and colleague but it cost the community an amazing and unique resource for a critical service.

Why don't you do a thread tomorrow night on this distinction. I think we, of all forums, should get this distinction straight.

Take care!

[JohnnyCougar]

14. That's a very interesting perspective.

I wonder if Gannon was a tool from the get-go. I wonder if Rove and thier buddies used him for sexual favors and threatened to "out" him if he didn't work for them for no pay, etc.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

15. No...like Eichmann, these schills are people who would never amount

to anything in life and status is important to them, so they would sell their own mother down the river for 15 minutes of fame to say they ARE SOMEBODY.

[kentuck]

16. nsma...I hear what you are saying....

But there are good and bad gay people just like there are good and bad straight people. All gay people are not right just as all straight people are not right. I have no need to defend either. If they are wrong, they are wrong. Period. I don't have loyalties to either tribe and feel no need to defend either. If he is gay, he is a hypocrite and a dangerous hypocrite. Just because he he is gay or straight does not change the argument one iota. Got it?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

22. True it doesn't change the argument one iota

and exposing hypocrisy is necessary...BUT..if he is straight and doing these things it doesn't even factor in as PART of the story.

Also, IF he DID set up a site for military men....how do you know it wasn't a fishing expedition to out them?

This is a person who doesn't seem filled with "good intentions"... what did he intend to do with those sites?

I think there's much not known yet.

The point is you are right. It doesn't change the argument..but it DOES change the focus of everyone's attention...what we know is he intended to set up sites to attract gay men...we don't know why.

For all we know it was simply marketing...get males on a site for sex..push conservative issues and associate "getting wood" with being conservative. Might have nothing to do with HIS sexuality only with his penchant to exploit others.

[kentuck]

23. I agree that....

There is much not known yet. And we may all be surprised if and when the truth is exposed. We may actually be shocked! :)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

26. Nah..I won't be

but I do wonder what his intentions were with those sites.

[zann725]

20. Thank you for articulating it so well. Just like Man's rape of Women...

has little to do with sex, and more with power...and abuse of that power.

And Washington, the nexus of Power...how intoxicating it all must be...particularly with things like the Washington Monument phallically 'dominating' the entire city.

[Stirk]

27. I don't buy that.

Surely you aren't saying that assholes like Rove can't be gay? If a male jerk has sex with another man, he's not gay, he's just on a power trip? Sorry- that seems a bit convenient.

There are greedy, cruel people in every community. They come in every color, sex, and with every possible sexual preference.

I'd disagree with you on rape as well, by the way. It's not just a power thing. Some people get off on forced sex. The sex part is essential- if it was only power, they could get their rocks off by just hitting people with sticks. It reminds me of that garbage people always tell children about bullies; that they have low self-esteem. The bully's problem isn't low self-esteem at all, they just like hurting helpless people. Rapists don't just get off on power, they get off on forced sex. It's pretty direct.

[lala_rawraw]

6. Has anyone EVER

seen Rove with his wife?

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[NV Whino]

9. Karl Rove is evil

Who cares if he's gay.

BTW I spent some time in Knoxville years ago, which not only had a large gay population, one of the main streets was called Gay St.

[KharmaTrain]

12. Who Cares

Really wanna step into that rat's nest? The issue should remain on how "Gannon" was issued the credentials, who did it, who wrote his questions, the money trail that put him in that position (and fed his arrogance) and the complicity by "mainstream" media in not policing their own when it was obvious this guy was a "ringer". Sorry, this media reporting on the media smells like a major whitewash.

FWIW...in a string here a long time ago, someone discussed the large number of gays that seem to be in the middle of GOOP scandals. The gist was that the GOOP seeks out gays...especially those from wealthy families and uses the blackmail of outting them in exchange for these goons, like Gannon and Drudge, to do their real dirty work. If they're outted, then the power elite can cut the strings since there's no way a good Christian like Rove would ever have dealing with homosexuals...unless he wasn't aware of it.

In many ways, it's not unlike the Nazis and Soviets seeking out gays to be spies as they knew they were the least likely to double cross them.

[kentuck]

17. What I really believe....

is that "Gannon" is on the same payroll that Armstrong Williams was/is on. How much has Gannon been paid and by whom? It doesn't matter one whet if he gay or straight, other than the fact that that seems to be the only thing that will keep it alive in people's consciousness. But this is all a continuing story of the scandal in the press, with the press, about a press that cannot report on itself. Who will tell the people? He is the fourth. Armstrong Williams was the first. This should be the focus, imo.

[autorank]

19. And the list will go on and on...to the CM (Corporate Media)

We all know that the CM gets mega-payoffs through Federal largess in the form of regulatory relief (letting CM buy more television stations, ratio stations) and through contracts to other subsidiaries (GM, NBC, gets a 600 million contract every now and again).

What I'm waiting for is the first direct link of this or any future affair to a known CM figure. That will present CM with a dilemma, hold fast for the good of the clan or go for ratings and fame by eating their own. I'll bet on the latter (simply because the reporter who breaks this will not need CM after the ga-zillion dollar book deal).

Feels like somebody put acid in the punch.

[kentuck]

21. It's going about the same speed as Watergate.....

There's more to be uncovered and I would not be surprised to see some senior reporter break the story in a book...perhaps anonymously.

[autorank]

24. Lets hope it's an e-book!

With the many, many real scandals of the * disaster, it's amazing that this is the one that seems to have legs. I simply can't understand what's happened to the majority of people in this country. We are beyond outrage, it seems, unless it involves a story with strong kinky sexual themes. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that this story is taking off because I believe it will be a prism through which we can view the depravity of the past four years. Somehow, two stolen elections would seem a much stronger scandal than this...but baggers can't be choosers as my father used to say. He also said...if wishes were horses, we'd all take a ride.